Ok straight to the point.
Monk of the four winds replaces abundant step at level 12, does this mean that I cannot take abundant step at a later level with Qinggong Monk archetype, say to replace diamond soul which MotFW does not replace.
Ok straight to the point.
Monk of the four winds replaces abundant step at level 12, does this mean that I cannot take abundant step at a later level with Qinggong Monk archetype, say to replace diamond soul which MotFW does not replace.
You can do that. No rule says otherwise.
Personally I couldn't bear to take abundant step at level 14 and pass up taking Sonic Thrust, because there's few joys that compare with flinging a creature at a target square 140 feet straight up.
Ok straight to the point.
Monk of the four winds replaces abundant step at level 12, does this mean that I cannot take abundant step at a later level with Qinggong Monk archetype, say to replace diamond soul which MotFW does not replace.
You can do that. No rule says otherwise.
Personally I couldn't bear to take abundant step at level 14 and pass up taking Sonic Thrust, because there's few joys that compare with flinging a creature at a target square 140 feet straight up.
Holy crap can you do that? I need to look at this archetype again.
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That assumes you can actually use Monk of the Four Winds with Qinggong. There has still been no official word on this. All you have is the numerous threads from various parties that fall into one of two camps. Since the rules for archetypes state "A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature", it comes down to whether making those class features optional counts as "altering" them. If it does, you can't even take the Qinggong archetype with anything other than the core monk.
I really wish we could get an official ruling on this.
That assumes you can actually use Monk of the Four Winds with Qinggong. There has still been no official word on this. All you have is the numerous threads from various parties that fall into one of two camps. Since the rules for archetypes state "A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature", it comes down to whether making those class features optional counts as "altering" them. If it does, you can't even take the Qinggong archetype with anything other than the core monk.
I never thought this was particularly unclear. Having the ability to choose whether to alter a feature is not altering the feature. Actually altering it is.
eta: But this is a derail because the question assumes that Monk of the four winds / qinggong monk is in play
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That assumes you can actually use Monk of the Four Winds with Qinggong. There has still been no official word on this. All you have is the numerous threads from various parties that fall into one of two camps. Since the rules for archetypes state "A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature", it comes down to whether making those class features optional counts as "altering" them. If it does, you can't even take the Qinggong archetype with anything other than the core monk.I never thought this was particularly unclear. Having the ability to choose whether to alter a feature is not altering the feature. Actually altering it is.
eta: But this is a derail because the question assumes that Monk of the four winds / qinggong monk is in play
It's not a derail if it helps explain whether or not he can do what he's asking. And numerous people have discussed this to no decisive answer.
I made this comment in another thread discussing the interaction of Qinggong with other Archetypes, but I'll repeat it hear.Archetypes cannot be taken if they replace or alter the same class feature.
I have a card. I can take that card to the store and exchange it for an apple. The store recently informed me that I can now use that card to obtain an apple, orange or pear. They altered the way my card works.
Now replace "card" with "Class Feature" and "apple, orange, etc." with the various Qinggong abilities and you will see where the crux of the argument lies.
That assumes you can actually use Monk of the Four Winds with Qinggong. There has still been no official word on this. All you have is the numerous threads from various parties that fall into one of two camps. Since the rules for archetypes state "A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature", it comes down to whether making those class features optional counts as "altering" them. If it does, you can't even take the Qinggong archetype with anything other than the core monk.I never thought this was particularly unclear. Having the ability to choose whether to alter a feature is not altering the feature. Actually altering it is.
eta: But this is a derail because the question assumes that Monk of the four winds / qinggong monk is in play
It's not a derail if it helps explain whether or not he can do what he's asking. And numerous people have discussed this to no decisive answer.
The question assumes they can interact, which is what I've seen to be the majority position.
I've identified the most glaring deficiency in your analogy in the other thread.
FYI this has been FAQ'd.