Hahaha oh wow.
Guess he's never heard of Fortune/Misfortune, or Evil Eye, or pretty much any of the other Hexes.
To be perfectly frank, the appeal the Witch has to me has nothing to do with their relative power level compared to wizards.
Prehensile Hair, Child Scent, and a hut with chicken legs. If I could I would play a game where all the classes had abilities as fun as those.
The hut is definitely a selling point.
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Ward is better protection than most familiars and animal companions get. And wizards and clerics have more support and playtesting under them. I think witches are fun and powerful. Plus, I've always thought the "x class has no chance" line was kind of silly. People think rogues are worthless, but I have players here who will own any encounter you throw at them with a bard, a rogue, a commoner, and a small child. The game is complicated enough you can develop anything you can think of into a fun, tactically meaningful option.
And low-DC hexes? Do people who play witches dump Intelligence? No wonder they think they suck!
Witch is a well conceived, well designed, well executed class. It has a flavor distinct from other classes, and its comparable in power level to any of the other full spellcasters.
I especially like the way combining unlimited hexes with vancian spellcasting juxtaposes the streamlined table performance of a sorcerer with the flexibility of a wizard. The witch also provides an excellent full spellcaster option for player groups with a strong tendencies toward making only martial characters, because they can cover the most important spellcasting duties of both an arcane and divine caster.
Witch is actually right on par with the wizard in bab and spell/day progression. Depending on patron you can get wish or time stop. Scar is amazing. Retribution is awesome.
Want to f*!$ over a wizard? Misfortune followed by the Nightmares hex. It has no ending if you fail. The duration of the underlying spell is instantaneous and a single failure prevents arcane casters from preparing spells for 24 hours. This means a level 10 witch can shut down a level 20 wizard.
What's a wizard without spells? A sad, sad old man.
Familiars? Go bonded witch and you get an extra guaranteed spell per day. The ring version just happens to include an anti-magic field. Oh snap!
Or better yet! Get the Summon Spirit hex and gate in any 18 HD class character you damn well please. You don't need wish. You summon lesser beings to do that dirty work for you. Haha.
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You guys made me read the witches guide on here and I gotta say for never playing them they look amazing for field control I dont know why people think this class sucks anyone that reads the class and thinks about it will find they are straight awesome My next game I am going to make myself one just so I can try them out.
Ok on a side note you guys may shot me for I think there battle control is alot like the 4th bards.(please dont organize a angry mob on me for comparing 4th ed crap to PF awesomeness.)
The problem with the Witch spell list (barring a few patrons) is that it contains only two protection spells: Mage Armor and (Greater) False Life. It also has few spells that can deal with incorporeal creatures. In my eyes, that limits the choice of patrons significantly.
You know most of the time I hate the use of this word but could this guy sound like any more of a munchkin?
When I read this what I see is "Witch don't break game easy like Wiz do!"
Trying to waste the effort to show this guy the usefulness of a Witch is pointless. He clearly can't grasp it.
-Edit- And since when is Harm a good spell? Its a touch attack with a save.. Double fail (or partial fail) spells are not good to start with but its just damage.. Even for a blast spell its sub-par as its single target touch range.
It has really only one use. Against something with Evasion and is somehow immune to all the better control spells and SoR/D spells. That can't really be that often.
Oh, witch in my campaign sucks quite a lot. Oh, wait. The messageboards are intended to be PG-13...
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[i]Harm[/] is a great spell. As you say, it helps handle evasion characters. It also finishes combats quickly. Need a guaranteed 40 damage? At minimum CL, harm will provide that. If you optimize the spell at all, you have a shot at over a hundred damage to anything that needs to die this round. And with s witch caster, you can impact your target's save.
Witches were made for control and they rock at it.
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Witches are a perfectly viable class. Quite powerful and fun, doing a good job of being a different arcane spell caster from the wizard. Filling that roll as a kind of hybrid arcane with a bit of divine tht some players look for in a class.
Don't get too ruffled by people who have their mind set a particular way.
Witches tend to shut down BBEGs much easier than wizards, in my table experience.
Frankly, the only reason anyone would think Witches suck is because they have a Duke Nukem mentality that every class needs to be able to put out a high amount of damage in order to be useful.
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I played on witch to LVL 7 and Loved her. Sadly the DM left and never got to play her again. Easily one of my favorite characters and possibly class.
Playing a witch in a homebrew and she is tiefling. I love her also. if it where not for her hexing the enemies, we would all be dead. She is only level 2 and with Hex, Extra hex, she is a hexing machine with the ability to do minor healing. While she is not a toe to toe person and tried to stay as far away from a fight, she helps the party a lot.
Yeah I love my witches.
Some say Witches can use their talents for good.
I say burn them all!
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