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In our campaign we have a Tetori Monk, whose approaching 9th Level. Inescapable Grasp as Raw at level 9 is useless. It states:
"At 9th level, a tetori can spend 1 point from his ki pool to suppress his
opponents’ freedom of movement and magical bonuses to Escape Artist or on checks to escape a grapple. "
As a swift action it means you have to do it on your turn, But using it turns off there "auto escape"... It does not how ever turn off the ability that states that Grapples auto Fail. I think it should be an immediate action to make it work. Our DM won't accept an Answer not from a Paizo Employee :/
Thanks
What does your GM think it does?
As a swift action it means you have to do it on your turn, But using it turns off there "auto escape"... It does not how ever turn off the ability that states that Grapples auto Fail.
I already explained the Raw which is why we need the ruling.... It does NOT turn off the "Can never be grappled" while under the effects of Freedom of Movement. Just stops the Auto Escape.
Why do you equate "suppresses freedom of movement and..." to only suppressing the auto escape portion instead of the whole spell?
At 9th level, a tetori can spend 1 point from his ki pool to suppress his opponents’ freedom of movement and magical bonuses to Escape Artist or on checks to escape a grapple. At 13th level, this ability also duplicates the effect of dimensional anchor. At 17th level, the tetori’s unarmed strike gains the ghost touch special ability, and an incorporeal creature that he strikes gains the grappled condition (Reflex negates, DC 10 + 1/2 the wrestler’s level + his Wisdom modifier). Inescapable grasp is a swift action and lasts until the beginning of the wrestler’s next turn.
Three things to note.
1) It suppresses Freedom of Movement for the duration. That means that, for the duration, the target is treated as not having Freedom of Movement. That includes every part of Freedom of Movement.
2) You can use this ability at the beginning of your turn, as a swift action before you begin your turn. That means that when you then attempt to grapple him, he's not immune.
3) The ability lasts until the until the beginning of your next turn, meaning that (so long as you have the ki points needed) you can chain this ability to keep your opponent's Freedom of Movement suppressed for as long as you need.
Why do you equate "suppresses freedom of movement and..." to only suppressing the auto escape portion instead of the whole spell?
Inescapable Grasp states in it specifically "suppress his opponents’ freedom of movement and magical bonuses to Escape Artist or on checks to escape a grapple."
All one sentence, no stops. It states it suppresses the Escape artist and checks to escape... not the whole spell. It specifically counters the 2nd Ability that FoM gives you. It says nothing about stopping The underwater action, or other abilities from FoM.
I already explained the Raw which is why we need the ruling.... It does NOT turn off the "Can never be grappled" while under the effects of Freedom of Movement. Just stops the Auto Escape.
As a swift action it means you have to do it on your turn, But using it turns off there "auto escape"... It does not how ever turn off the ability that states that Grapples auto Fail.
I'm honestly not sure how you're reading it that way. As others have said, it shuts off Freedom of Movement AND other bonuses, not just part of Freedom of Freedom of Movement.
Then why in the Proper English do they have to state the extra's like "And magical bonus to escape artist and checks to escape Grapple" ?
Any other ability would just be stated "Spend a ki point as a swift action to turn off the targets Freedom of Movement for a round"
It would not need extra info, cause turning it off ALSO gets rid of the auto escape. Any other Rules in the book that states specifics is done because its only partially turns off an effect.
That's how i read it, and that's how the DM reads it. Hence the wanting an official Ruling. A Lot of the book can be interpreted differently from person to person which is part of the reason this forum is here
Suggested new title "Tetori Question: Inescapable Grasp".
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Then why in the Proper English do they have to state the extra's like "And magical bonus to escape artist and checks to escape Grapple" ?
Any other ability would just be stated "Spend a ki point as a swift action to turn off the targets Freedom of Movement for a round"
Because stuff other than Freedom of Movement can give you a magical bonus to escape artist and checks to escape a grapple.
Grease, for example, or Liberating Command, or certain armor enchants.
Then why in the Proper English do they have to state the extra's like "And magical bonus to escape artist and checks to escape Grapple" ?
Any other ability would just be stated "Spend a ki point as a swift action to turn off the targets Freedom of Movement for a round"
It would not need extra info, cause turning it off ALSO gets rid of the auto escape. Any other Rules in the book that states specifics is done because its only partially turns off an effect.
That's how i read it, and that's how the DM reads it. Hence the wanting an official Ruling. A Lot of the book can be interpreted differently from person to person which is part of the reason this forum is here
You're reading it incorrectly. The reason it mentions magical bonuses to escape artist and checks to escape a grapple is because there are ways to get those things other than Freedom of Movement. For instance, you could use this spell to stymie a gnome rogue whose used to wriggling out of grapples. You could use it to grapple Random Monster X, who has magical bonuses to escape grapples. etc. etc.
Inescapable grasp provides more than just Freedom of Movement suppression, hence the list of additional bonuses.
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A wise approach to problems like this:-
If there are two ways to read the RAW, and if one way of reading the RAW results in an ability that makes sense, and the other way of reading the RAW results in an ability that simply doesn't do what it's supposed to do, then always read it the way it makes sense!
In this case, the writer of the ability intended it to work! He wouldn't go to all this trouble to write an ability that does not do anything!
In this case, supressing freedom of movement makes the ability work when facing opponents protected by this spell. It would not make sense if it did not work in the precise situation that the ability was created to work!
The only sane way to read it is the way that enables the ability to work!