Cordell Kintner
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I know when you wild-shape into an animal or plant, you can only speak the creature's language (Or nothing for plants), but what about as an elemental? The way we've been doing it is that I can only speak the elemental language (such as Ignan), and I can still understand my normal languages. Is this correct, or can I speak my normal languages as an elemental?
| Darkwolf117 |
I would say you'd be freely able to speak languages in elemental form. Elementals in general can talk, they just generally only know their own particular elemental language. Animals, on the other hand, don't actually have languages, and the few (mostly magical, I think) ones that can understand some will be noted as unable to speak it.
Truth be told though, as Ignan and the other elemental languages are not particularly unusual, and could be picked up regularly via linguistics (just as Celestial, Abyssal, and such can), I'd sorta find it odd that your character would know it in elemental form but not regularly. Huh. *shrug*
| Jay the Madman |
I always read the language as a physical limitation of your form. Since elemenetals can speak, there is no physical limitation preventing you from speaking. Understanding language is more mental, so whatever form you take you don't gain or lose the ability to understand any languages.
Obviously taking that feat would remove any such limitations. Personally I can see a GM saying that NO form is capable of speaking, unless you have Wild Speech, as the spirit of the prohibition seems to lead you to think you can't speak in Wild Shape.
| Quandary |
? where ?
wild speech, and the rule that you can't cast verbal spells if the form can't speak...are not blanket rules against animal-type forms.
When using wild shape to take the form in which you cannot speak (such as an animal), you are able to speak normally in any language you know.
While in such a form, you cannot cast any spells that require material components (unless you have the Eschew Materials or Natural Spell feat), and can only cast spells with somatic or verbal components if the form you choose has the capability to make such movements or speak, such as a dragon.
parrots CAN speak human languages (if they aren't really fluent in them - but neither are elementals in most humanoid languages), so i don't see the difference vs. polymorphing into a dwarf. EDIT: for that matter, human babies can't talk because they haven't developed the skill, but the anatomy is there, so if you polymorphed into a baby, you should be able to speak. parrots and myna birds have the anatomy for human speech.
blackbloodtroll
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From the Wildshape entry:
A druid loses her ability to speak while in animal form because she is limited to the sounds that a normal, untrained animal can make, but she can communicate normally with other animals of the same general grouping as her new form. (The normal sound a wild parrot makes is a squawk, so changing to this form does not permit speech.)
| theishi |
You can always take the Two World Magic trait and learn to cast Ghost Sound. Most GM's will allow it and it saves a precious mid-level feat slot.
Ghost sound uses verbal and somantic components. You need natural spell to use it. Once you have those, no GM approval needed, raw says it will work.
| Umbranus |
well there you go. i just hope nobody tries to use that as precedent that potty training doesn't work any more while wildshaped[/polymorphed?] since that is something 'untrained' creatures don't have.
Nice idea, really.
But indeed there are many kinds of animals that have something akin to potty training, not littering their own lair and such.Birds on the ohter hand are just not equiped to "hold it" so they will not be able to choose where and when even with training. Instead they usually collect their waste and bring it away from their nest now and then.
| DrakeRoberts |
Kaleb the Opportunist wrote:You can always take the Two World Magic trait and learn to cast Ghost Sound. Most GM's will allow it and it saves a precious mid-level feat slot.Ghost sound uses verbal and somantic components. You need natural spell to use it. Once you have those, no GM approval needed, raw says it will work.
Actually by RAW I don't think this works. Which is unfortunate, because I was going to do it. However, Ghost Sound is a figment, and the rules for figments state that intelligible speech cannot be produced unless the spell explicitly says that it can. Ghost Sound can be used to produce the general rumble/murmur of a group of talking people, but it cannot produce actual speech.
If there's something elsewhere that says otherwise though, please let me know, because I really was hoping to do this with my druid.