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Let me first be absolutely clear i am not talking about divine characters
I was wondering if it is possible for someone to worship more than one god. I know that in the PFS guide to organized play ALL characters must be within one alignment step of the god they worship(which personally i do not agree with, if you do not receive powers from a divine source, you should be able to worship whoever you want)
for the record
Religion: Characters can elect to worship any deity listed in a table of gods in the Core Rulebook, The Inner Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic, or any other source listed as an official Additional Resource. Characters may elect to worship an evil god, but must always be within one alignment step of their chosen deity. For clerics, this is an especially important choice, since the deity’s alignment determines whether the cleric channels positive or negative energy, a decision with significant tactical implications for the cleric and her allies. Characters who do not receive powers from a divine source may choose to be atheists or to have no deity at all.
But could a character (in my case, a chaotic good rogue) worship both Shelyn and Cayden Cailean? PFS seems overly restrictive to me on non-divine characters allowable dieties, so I thought I would ask.
tl;dr Is it ok for my chaotic good rogue to worship both Shelyn and Cayden Cailean

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There's ABSOLUTELY panthesim in Golarion. As mentioned above, the temple in Sandpoint... one of the FIRST temples we ever talked about, is a pantheistic temple.
Clerics in Golarion generally have to worship a single deity.
Oracles, though, do not. We specifically created their flavor to support panthestic divine casters. Or divine casters who simply want to embody faith in a single concept (or "mystery") such as flames or bones or whatever.-James Jacobs
Since the only reason I can see to keep a non divine character from worshiping more than one god is setting flavor, and the setting flavor allows if not encourages a bit of pantheism for non preists, it should be ok.

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Yep, Golarion encourages a more organic approach to the beliefs of most characters. :)
Even Cheliax's leadership realizes that trying to force the populace to worship Asmodeus alone would blow up in their faces. They're just happy enough to have their foot in the door with the socially-enforced lip service.

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The short answer is: yes.
Your PC may only worship one deity, if your PC worships a deity. The term 'worship' is used in the game rules to allow certain traits, feats, etc. While your PC may admire, venerate, pay homage to, even pray to more than one deity, they may only worship one deity to meet game mechanic requirements.
And in PFS that deity must be within one alignment step for ALL PCs.

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The short answer is: yes.
Your PC may only worship one deity, if your PC worships a deity. The term 'worship' is used in the game rules to allow certain traits, feats, etc. While your PC may admire, venerate, pay homage to, even pray to more than one deity, they may only worship one deity to meet game mechanic requirements.
And in PFS that deity must be within one alignment step for ALL PCs.
This, even Paladins of Iomedae may still pay homage to or utter a prayer to Aroden, (despite his death), or Irori, but at the end of the day, they are worshipers of Iomedae, and they cannot use items that require them worship another god, or take levels in Irori's Prestige class as long as they continue to serve Iomedae.
Similarly, a Neutral Good character may choose to "cover their bases" and offer prayer to just about every good aligned diety (and maybe some true neutral ones too), but if they write Nethys on their character sheet, then Nethys is the one that they count as worshiping for item, spell, feat, trait and prestige class purposes.
Edit: You can worship as many deities as you want, of any alignment (a Lawful good character may still pay respects to Asmodeus, in fact if they are Cheliaxian, it is required by law to do so), however you can only have one PATRON deity, and you must be within 1 step of alignment for your patron deity. The character's patron deity is the one written on their character sheet, and the one they gain mechanical benefits from worshiping. The character's patron deity is the deity they worship before any other, likely the one whose teaching or portfolio best suit the character, if you want a character who honors all gods equally, they would not have a patron deity, and would have the same mechanical benefits that an atheist has.

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My ex-slave Andoren archer bard in PFS is neutral good. I actually wrote into his back story that he's very respectful of all the good and neutral gods, specifically giving thanks every day to Erastil for his archery skill, Shelyn for his performing talent, Nethys for his magical abilities, and Cayden Cailean for his freedom. But he doesn't get any mechanical in game bonus from any of them.

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As Don points out, I think the issue is one of word choice. Since "worship" has in-game, mechanical consequences, we have to say you can only "worship" one deity. You can pray to any you want, with as much dedication as you want, as long as you aren't claiming those in game benefits from more than one.

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So, what alignment must a worshiper of Razmir be?
The country is listed as LE, but there is no alignment listed for Razmir himself...
My Razmiran Priest wants to know. ;)
Razmir was listed as available in a blog post [citation needed] but that he does not grant divine powers to any of his worshippers

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I like pantheistic greek style worshiping. You make little prayers to different gods depending on what you're doing and what they're portfolio is.
Wasn't much of a major issue. Unless you were special enough to rate placement in the Elysian Fields, or vile enough for punishment in Tartarus, all the Greek dead went to Hades anyway.
In classical Greece anyway it wasn't so much what god you worshiped, but which one you accidentally or unknowingly pissed off.

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kinevon wrote:Razmir was listed as available in a blog post [citation needed] but that he does not grant divine powers to any of his worshippersSo, what alignment must a worshiper of Razmir be?
The country is listed as LE, but there is no alignment listed for Razmir himself...
My Razmiran Priest wants to know. ;)
Not my question.
Just as an FYI:
Razmiran Priest is an archetype for Sorcerers.
No citation in the documentation for what alignment restrictions apply.
Razmiran, the country, is listed in the ISWG or ISP as Lawful Evil.
Razmir, the Living Deity, has no alignment listed.
So, technically, can my Sorcerer (Razmirar Priest) be Chaotic Neutral?

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There are no alignment restrictions for either sorcerers or the Razmiran Priest sorcerer archetype, so in Society play you can be any non-evil alignment.
Razmir himself, by the way is given as having the alignment Lawful Evil on page 7 of Inner Sea Magic, the same book that's the source for your archetype.

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There are no alignment restrictions for either sorcerers or the Razmiran Priest sorcerer archetype, so in Society play you can be any non-evil alignment.
Razmir himself, by the way is given as having the alignment Lawful Evil on page 7 of Inner Sea Magic, the same book that's the source for your archetype.
The Guide to organized play says you have to be within one step of your deity no matter what class you are. If Razmir is your patron deity, your pfs character has only one legal alignment--lawful neutral.
EDIT: and yes, I know, Razmir is a false god, but since a Razmiran priest is claiming him as a deity, it pretty much falls under the one step rule, I'd think. (which is why my sorceror is LN instead of CN)

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The Guide to organized play says you have to be within one step of your deity no matter what class you are. If Razmir is your patron deity, your pfs character has only one legal alignment--lawful neutral.
EDIT: and yes, I know, Razmir is a false god, but since a Razmiran priest is claiming him as a deity, it pretty much falls under the one step rule, I'd think. (which is why my sorceror is LN instead of CN)
I see your reasoning, and sympathize with and support it from a role-playing perspective.
From a strict rules perspective, however, I disagree. The line you're referring to there is at page 10 of the Guide, and reads, "Characters may elect to worship an evil god, but must always be within one alignment step of their chosen deity."
Razmir, as you've said, is not a god, so I don't think that rule applies. A lawful good "worshiper" of Razmir, then, is strictly speaking legal in my view, if not particularly believable (at first glance anyway, I'm willing to be convinced by a well-considered, informed, and thoughtful back story--not that I would need to be convinced from a rules perspective.)
Note also, that the list of patron gods available to characters includes only those "listed in a table of gods in the Core Rulebook, The Inner Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic, or any other source listed as an official Additional Resource." Reviewing the tables at p. 43 of the CRB, inside the front cover of Gods and Magic, and at p. 217 of The Inner Sea World Guide, I don't find Razmir's name listed. Is he listed in a table in any other resource? By which I mean to ask, is he actually allowable as a patron god at all?
I rush to say, I don't think it's all that important if he isn't. I say again, I support your reasoning from a role-playing perspective, delight in it even, and would certainly welcome your character at any table I was judging. But so, too, would I welcome that lawful good "worshiper" of Razmir.

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Personally, Although all except two of my clerics are Sarenrae followers, (The others are Gorum and Gozreh) they are "friendly supporters" of a few other deities. Their main deity is the one they receive powers from, but they respect and embrace other faiths.
Many of my clerics are big fans of Cayden Cailean, but worship Sarenrae. They also carry what I call "support steins" when they walk into Cayden Cailean worship halls. (Which are Taverns, but it is the same thing.)
As for Razmir, he is actually in the back of the Gods and Magic book. In the minor deities section. So he would technically be a legal deity, even if he is a "false god". If you have ever played Masks of A Living God, the module even gives a proclamation of faith for the Razmirians. So they are considered legal for play. But it's a big stretch.

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As for Razmir, he is actually in the back of the Gods and Magic book. In the minor deities section. So he would technically be a legal deity, even if he is a "false god". If you have ever played Masks of A Living God, the module even gives a proclamation of faith for the Razmirians. So they are considered legal for play. But it's a big stretch.
You think so? The Guide goes out of its way to say that the eligible gods are those listed in "tables" and Razmir (and a fair number of other gods--or "gods") are mentioned in the text of various supplements but don't make the cut when it comes to tables.

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Yeah, Razmir is not eligible, unless made an exception by a PFS Paizonian somewhere.
When it comes to the OP's question, I like to point to my character, Vasco Cantige, who has this line on his online character sheet: "Deities Cayden Cailean, Calistria, Besmara, Dagon, Gozreh, Kofusachi, Lantern King".
It pays to cover all nautical and adventurous needs and the Andorani corsair is of course a CN character to fit within one step of each deity's alignment. Sea monsters and harsh storms getting you down? Time for blood sacrifices to Besmara, Dagon and Gozreh! The virtues of wandering and individuality being contested? Some prayers to the rest are in order!

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Yeah, Razmir is not eligible, unless made an exception by a PFS Paizonian somewhere.
When it comes to the OP's question, I like to point to my character, Vasco Cantige, who has this line on his online character sheet: "Deities Cayden Cailean, Calistria, Besmara, Dagon, Gozreh, Kofusachi, Lantern King".
It pays to cover all nautical and adventurous needs and the Andorani corsair is of course a CN character to fit within one step of each deity's alignment. Sea monsters and harsh storms getting you down? Time for blood sacrifices to Besmara, Dagon and Gozreh! The virtues of wandering and individuality being contested? Some prayers to the rest are in order!
I'm totally going to play a PFS Razmiran Priest at some point... it'll be awesome.

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Even if Razmir isn't legal, you could always just play a fighter calling himself a Razmiran Cleric. When asked why you don't have any spells, "Oh, I'm not *that* kind of cleric. I'm more of a beaty, sword and board cleric." Nobody would bat an eyelash.
Except the GM who would kindly tell you that Razmir isn't a legal god and you can't possibly be a cleric of a god that isn't legal.
FYI, a dog isn't a pig.

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Netopalis wrote:Even if Razmir isn't legal, you could always just play a fighter calling himself a Razmiran Cleric. When asked why you don't have any spells, "Oh, I'm not *that* kind of cleric. I'm more of a beaty, sword and board cleric." Nobody would bat an eyelash.Except the GM who would kindly tell you that Razmir isn't a legal god and you can't possibly be a cleric of a god that isn't legal.
FYI, a dog isn't a pig.
Preist <> Cleric
And if the player is playing a fighter, he could even introduce himself IC as a cleric if he wanted to...

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teribithia9 wrote:The Guide to organized play says you have to be within one step of your deity no matter what class you are. If Razmir is your patron deity, your pfs character has only one legal alignment--lawful neutral.
EDIT: and yes, I know, Razmir is a false god, but since a Razmiran priest is claiming him as a deity, it pretty much falls under the one step rule, I'd think. (which is why my sorceror is LN instead of CN)
I see your reasoning, and sympathize with and support it from a role-playing perspective.
From a strict rules perspective, however, I disagree. The line you're referring to there is at page 10 of the Guide, and reads, "Characters may elect to worship an evil god, but must always be within one alignment step of their chosen deity."
Razmir, as you've said, is not a god, so I don't think that rule applies. A lawful good "worshiper" of Razmir, then, is strictly speaking legal in my view, if not particularly believable (at first glance anyway, I'm willing to be convinced by a well-considered, informed, and thoughtful back story--not that I would need to be convinced from a rules perspective.)
Razmir isn't a standard case. If you're a Razmiran False Priest, you've been indoctrinated, brainwashed to the wazoo, so you'd either be in conformance to the house program or they take you to that special place that no one returns from.

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Macon Bacon, Esquire wrote:Netopalis wrote:Even if Razmir isn't legal, you could always just play a fighter calling himself a Razmiran Cleric. When asked why you don't have any spells, "Oh, I'm not *that* kind of cleric. I'm more of a beaty, sword and board cleric." Nobody would bat an eyelash.Except the GM who would kindly tell you that Razmir isn't a legal god and you can't possibly be a cleric of a god that isn't legal.
FYI, a dog isn't a pig.
Preist <> Cleric
And if the player is playing a fighter, he could even introduce himself IC as a cleric if he wanted to...
Yeah, it can be fun introducing PCs in character that way. I usually mention what class they are, but occasionally, it's not as obvious.
The most vague is my Dawnflower Dervish bard who introduces himself as a "dervish swordsman from Qadira". That conveys what my PC considers his primary role in the group, and they'll learn the rest as we go. One of the first times I played him, I went to cast Detect Magic or something during the adventure, and one of the other players responded with a totally shocked, "You're a spellcaster?"

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@Muser
@Netopalis
Razmir IS a legal deity as per this blog post which is in the additional resources page

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@Muser
@NetopalisRazmir IS a legal deity as per this blog post which is in the additional resources page
That can't be right. The existence of Razmir is the specifically stated reason for making the special Golarion rule that there are no clerics of a cause or pantheist clerics, that clerics must worship one and only one deity.

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@Muser
@NetopalisRazmir IS a legal deity as per this blog post which is in the additional resources page
The Legality of that Blog is for listing to Subdomains for all the deities, it is not used as a legal source for Deities you can pick in PFS, and that goes the same for this Blog
The only Legal Sources for Gods are.
Core Book
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Dragon Empires Gazetteer - All gods listed on pages 58-63
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic - all of the gods listed on the inside front cover are legal choices for clerics
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea World Guide - All gods listed in the tables on pages 229, 231, and 234
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Magnimar, City of Monuments - All gods listed in the tables on page 25 are legal
Pathfinder Player Companion: Dragon Empires Primer - All gods listed on pages 26-27
Pathfinder Player Companion: Dwarves of Golarion - all gods listed on the inside front cover
Pathfinder Player Companion: Elves of Golarion - all gods on page 10
Pathfinder Player Companion: Goblins of Golarion (With Boon Only) - all goblin gods and subdomains except flotsam on pages 26–27 are legal for play
Pathfinder Player Companion: Gnomes of Golarion - all gods on the inside front cover

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Justin Riddler wrote:That can't be right. The existence of Razmir is the specifically stated reason for making the special Golarion rule that there are no clerics of a cause or pantheist clerics, that clerics must worship one and only one deity.@Muser
@NetopalisRazmir IS a legal deity as per this blog post which is in the additional resources page
Justin is misreading that post The post is about legal subdomains. The entry for Razmir reads: NONE. that's because he isn't a diety, and has no real clerics.

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Justin Riddler wrote:Razmir IS a legal deity as per this blog post which is in the additional resources pageThat can't be right. The existence of Razmir is the specifically stated reason for making the special Golarion rule that there are no clerics of a cause or pantheist clerics, that clerics must worship one and only one deity.
This is interesting.
The Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play says "[c]haracters can elect to worship any deity listed in a table" in various specific sources "or any other source listed as an official Additional Resource."
The Additional Resources document lists the blog post Justin cited.
Razmir is listed in what seems to me to be a "table" in the blog post.
Could an argument be made for a character who receives powers from a divine source to list Razmir as their deity?
I don't think so, obviously, from a "realistic" and setting point of view. We all know Razmir is just some jumped up wizard with the worst case of delusions of grandeur in seven states, and thus is incapable of granting divine powers (he doesn't have domains listed in any source and his subdomains are specifically given as "None").
But we know that from "flavor" sources that aren't part of the core assumption. Could somebody who only used the CRB and that web post make an argument (unlikely and ungainly as it would have to be) that they could roll up a cleric of Razmir?
Or is there some nicely clear statement somewhere that specifically says "Characters who receive powers from divine sources may never choose Razmir as their patron deity because that would be loony-tunes seeing as he's not a god"? Only, y'know, more official-sounding that that.
I would have let her ride the pig.
Cheers,
Christopher

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I personally believe in the Norse approach. Or Greek if you wish.
in Norse society you NEVER even the "Holymen" NEVER worshipped just one god. You prayed to Odin, You prayed to Thor, you prayed to Freya, Frigga, Tyr, and yes even Loki. Don't give him homage and Loki might pull one over on you.
But In Golarion they take the "Christian" way of things. You worship 1 deity and 1 deity only. To follow more than 1 is wrong and your god might not help you... might not? Probably strong chance they will not.
In my Homebrew you best pay homage to all the deities, even clerics who worship 1 deity will pay homage to other deities. Cause if you don't? Well you may be the one to suffer for not paying respect to the rulers of life, death, food, water, etc...

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teribithia9 wrote:The Guide to organized play says you have to be within one step of your deity no matter what class you are. If Razmir is your patron deity, your pfs character has only one legal alignment--lawful neutral.
EDIT: and yes, I know, Razmir is a false god, but since a Razmiran priest is claiming him as a deity, it pretty much falls under the one step rule, I'd think. (which is why my sorceror is LN instead of CN)
I see your reasoning, and sympathize with and support it from a role-playing perspective.
From a strict rules perspective, however, I disagree. The line you're referring to there is at page 10 of the Guide, and reads, "Characters may elect to worship an evil god, but must always be within one alignment step of their chosen deity."
Razmir, as you've said, is not a god, so I don't think that rule applies. A lawful good "worshiper" of Razmir, then, is strictly speaking legal in my view, if not particularly believable (at first glance anyway, I'm willing to be convinced by a well-considered, informed, and thoughtful back story--not that I would need to be convinced from a rules perspective.)
Note also, that the list of patron gods available to characters includes only those "listed in a table of gods in the Core Rulebook, The Inner Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic, or any other source listed as an official Additional Resource." Reviewing the tables at p. 43 of the CRB, inside the front cover of Gods and Magic, and at p. 217 of The Inner Sea World Guide, I don't find Razmir's name listed. Is he listed in a table in any other resource? By which I mean to ask, is he actually allowable as a patron god at all?
I rush to say, I don't think it's all that important if he isn't. I say again, I support your reasoning from a role-playing perspective, delight in it even, and would certainly welcome your character at any table I was judging. But so, too, would I welcome that...
In a home game, I'd completely agree with you. And I hasten to add that a sorceror with the Razmiran priest archetype who was CN would probably get no grief from me at one of my tables. However, I've been at tables where the GMs have spent 10 minutes or more of the game lecturing a player on why they can't worship the god they've chosen because of alignment issues, so I think someone who chooses to call themselves a priest (whether they are or not in reality) but not fit the one step rule just needs to be prepared for that sort of thing.
(I try to design my PFS characters to avoid the dreaded "table variation" monster as much as possible.)