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I decided to start a thread on an idea that started from the deadliest warrior thread but thought of more of an adventure type idea. Everyone is a contestent in a contest. The entire arena is a series of "Y"s leading into a central hub. Every contestent moves from their branch fighting their opposite. the winner then moves on fighting battle after battle until the final 2 contestants meet in the middle and battle to be the champion.

The outer branches are simple battle fields and they get progressively more complex as you get to the center.

Since everyone is traveling in they will have a little time to prep.

BOOKS: Core Rules, Advanced Players Guide, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, Ultimate Equipment, Advanced Race Guide (only Core, Featured and Uncommon races.)

CHARACTERS: This is about making the best character you can. So you can make a 11th level character using any mix of classes as long as it totals 11 levels.

GEAR: 82,000 gp worth of gear.

ATTRIBUTES: 25 to buy attributes.

What do you think of this idea.

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I think it sounds like an awesome Campaign. Although, I'd personally add to the list the Inner Sea Guide, that way my favorite Prestige Class gets allowed(Low Templar), but it is not required for me to have fun. ^_^

I'll get a Holy Vindicator running either later tonight or by tomorrow.


Dot.

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Hey, quick question for you, the GM in this regards, am I allowed to reload a crossbow with a Light Shield in my other hand? I read another forum that didn't really give me any answers, so I'll just ask you instead.

BTW, the reason behind a Light Shield is that it says in the text for the light shield that you can hold something in your hand with the shield on, but you can't use a weapon for combat. As such, you can fire a Light Crossbow in 1 hand with a -2 to hit. I would assume that the only reason they included this was so that you can use it with a Light Shield, but the fact is I don't know.


So we are just using base WBL not increased WBL do to higher Stats?

Ok then.

Also can we use crafting prices if we could reasonably craft the item?

And can I exploit the fact that one can gain two extra attacks from wielding 2 Speed weapons or is that going to be houseruled?

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Here's my Holy Vindicator: Joseph. Now, if you'd allow the Inner Sea Guide, I would enter in a Low Templar. Minor Differences, really, but I would much prefer the different class.

Joseph:
Joseph
Male Human; Medium Humanoid ( Human, Human )
Fighter4 Cleric2 Holy Vindicator5
Hit Dice:
(4d10)+(2d8)+(5d10)+26
Hit Points:
94
Initiative:
+5
Speed:
Walk 30 ft.
AC:
30 (touch 14, flatfooted 26)
Attacks:
*Crossbow +3 (Light) +17/+12;
Damage:
*Crossbow +3 (Light) 1d8+5;
Vision:

Face / Reach:
5 ft. / 5 ft.
Special Attacks:
Channel Negative Energy
Special Qualities:
Agile Feet, Armor Training, Aura of Law, Bloodfire, Bonus Feat, Bravery, Channel Smite, Deflection Aura, Divine Wrath, Faith Healing, Orisons, Skilled, Spontaneous Casting, Stigmata, Vindicator's Shield
Saves:
Fortitude: +16, Reflex: +12, Will: +12
Abilities:
STR 10 (+0), DEX 20 (+5), CON 14 (+2), INT 10 (+0), WIS 14 (+2), CHA 18 (+4)
Skills:
Acrobatics: 2; Appraise: 0; Bluff: 4; Climb: -3; Craft (Untrained): 0; Diplomacy: 4; Disguise: 4; Escape Artist: 2; Fly: 2; Heal: 16; Intimidate: 4; Knowledge (Religion): 14; Perception: 13; Perform (Untrained): 4; Ride: 2; Sense Motive: 2; Stealth: 2; Survival: 2; Swim: -3;
Feats:
Alignment Channel (Chaos), Armor Proficiency, Heavy, Armor Proficiency, Light, Armor Proficiency, Medium, Channel Smite, Crossbow Mastery, Improved Channel, Martial Weapon Proficiency, Missile Shield, Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Reload (Crossbow (Light)), Shield Focus, Shield Proficiency, Simple Weapon Proficiency, Tower Shield Proficiency, Weapon Focus (Crossbow (Light)), Weapon Specialization (Crossbow (Light))
Challenge Rating:
8
Alignment:
Lawful Neutral
Possessions: Belt of Incredible Dexterity +2; Bolts, Crossbow (10); Breastplate +4; Cloak of Resistance +4; Crossbow +3 (Light); Handy Haversack; Headband of Alluring Charisma +2; Potion of Fly; Potion of Invisibility; Sash of the War Champion; Shield +4 (Light/Steel); Vestments (Cleric's);

Deity: Abadar Domains: Defense Subdomain () Travel ()

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Tirq wrote:

Hey, quick question for you, the GM in this regards, am I allowed to reload a crossbow with a Light Shield in my other hand? I read another forum that didn't really give me any answers, so I'll just ask you instead.

BTW, the reason behind a Light Shield is that it says in the text for the light shield that you can hold something in your hand with the shield on, but you can't use a weapon for combat. As such, you can fire a Light Crossbow in 1 hand with a -2 to hit. I would assume that the only reason they included this was so that you can use it with a Light Shield, but the fact is I don't know.

Gonna have to look that up. Logically I would think it's possible but slow. To load a crossbow you need a serious pull 100+lbs of force so you'll need two hands. Getting a good grip on the cable with a shield grip in the way sounds like a pain. Since the rules say you can do stuff with the other hand but can't fight with it I would assume you can't get a good grip on anything.

So my rule would be yes you can but it takes an extra round with a light shield to do because of how weak a grip you have on the cable and no penalty with a buckler.

Again i'll have to look at the official rules.

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Tirq wrote:

Here's my Holy Vindicator: Joseph. Now, if you'd allow the Inner Sea Guide, I would enter in a Low Templar. Minor Differences, really, but I would much prefer the different class.

** spoiler omitted **...

Looks good. Although your CR would be 10 (level -1)

As for the other books not sure how many other people have that book. Once more people chime in about this i'll take a look. I haven't picked up that book yet, but can be tempted.

Here is a run down of all the ideas so far

Across the planes the obelisks rose. 100 feet of smoky glass, indestructible and shining brightly a beacon for all to see. Each calls for the greatest champions to fight in a game of the gods. The winner to be risen to mythic heights. The time draws near and gateways are open. The challenge begins.

THE ARENA

Every challenger enters the arena through their gateway into a branch. Each pair of branches converge on a battlefield. Each pair of battlefields has a branch that converge onto another battlefield continuing until the final two challengers fight for the ultimate prize.

The battlefields will vary in nature from simple open spaces to more complex multi leveled areas. To enter the tunnels to the next tier of battlefields a barrier must be removed.

Since everyone is traveling in they will have a little time to prep but will have to deal with dwindling resources as they go from battle to battle.

Every battlefield challenges a different aspect. From speed to perception to dealing with secondary win conditions (get the key to escape the battlefield, thereby winning by escaping)

The entire competition takes place over the course of a day

WINNING Whom ever is rendered incapable of continuing combat looses. You can win by killing your opponent, turning them into a tree, blowing them up or encasing them in rock with no way of escape, tossing them off a cliff or otherwise incapacitating or any other way of rendering your opponent incapable of mounting an attack.

THE PRIZE The final Victor will be graced by the gods of the game and made Mythic (A chance to play with Mythic rules)

THE CHALLENGER

Build using the following rules:

CORE RULES Core Rules, Advanced Players Guide, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, Ultimate Equipment, Advanced Race Guide (only Core, Featured and Uncommon races.)

CHARACTERS: This is about making the best character you can. So you can make a 11th level character using any mix of classes as long as it totals 11 levels.

RACES Only Core, Featured and Uncommon races from ARG

ATTRIBUTES 25 points using normal progression chart

ATTRIBUTE SCORE POINT COST
7 –4 (You get back points)
8 –2 (You get back points)
9 –1 (You get back points)
10 0
11 1
12 2
13 3
14 5
15 7
16 10
17 13
18 17

HIT POINTS Use Pathfinder Society Rules for hitpoints (If your class isn't listed just find your hit dice)

CLASS HIT DICE 1ST LVL HD** HP GAIN PER LEVEL*
For reference d20 20 12

Barbarian/Dragon disciple/Stalwart defender d12 12 7

Cavalier/Fighter/Gun Slinger/
Paladin/Samurai/Arcane archer/
Duelist/Eldritch knight/Battle herald/
Holy vindicator/Master chymist/
Rage prophet/ d10 10 6

Alchemist/Cleric/Druid/Inquisitor/
Magus/Monk/Ninja/Oracle/
Ranger/Summoner/Assassins/
Pathfinder chronicler/Shadowdancer/
Master spy/Nature warden d8 8 5

Bard/Rogue/Witch/Arcane Trickster/
Loremaster/Mystic theurg d6 6 4

Sorcerer/Wizard d4 4 3

For reference d3 3 2

* Add CON bonuses and any other HP bonuses from other sources such as Toughness.

** 1st level hit points are only for first level of the first class. You dont get them at first level of every class you multiclass in.

MONEY You have 82,000gp to equip your Warrior

GEAR You can buy all gear and magic items listed in the books. No special items, nor intelligent items.


Why do you put 3.5 hitdice there?


How many branchs (total fights), before the final battle? Teams or solo fights? all fights PvP or DM encounters mixed in?

Casters recharge spells between encounters? (if not casters would be severly handycapped)

Free healing between encounters, or should i carry a wand of healing?

any houserules we should know about? Or are we playing RAW?

How are we playing? Pbp ??

Sounds like fun... thinking...

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So you're saying that it takes an extra round to reload a Light Crossbow with a Shield in your hand? As in... I already have it so that I don't provoke attacks of opprotunity from reloading it, and it's a free action to reload it, so because of wearing a light shield it makes it a FULL ROUND ACTION to reload it?


Tirq wrote:
So you're saying that it takes an extra round to reload a Light Crossbow with a Shield in your hand? As in... I already have it so that I don't provoke attacks of opprotunity from reloading it, and it's a free action to reload it, so because of wearing a light shield it makes it a FULL ROUND ACTION to reload it?

Sounded more like he was guessin around making up spontaneous houserules. Great base for competition:P


I am in with a magus. Will update to level ten in a few hours.

Can we have traits?

Sovereign Court

dot


Medieval Crossbows used a Crank mechanism to draw the cable back.

Light Crossbows were able to leave the crank on the bow. Heavy Crossbows couldn't.

That said Why didn't you post this in the PbP forums?


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I submit Meredith Nerissa as my candidate, though I will be adding another level to her before the match.

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Sweet, Ravingdork is joining the fray. It looks like I'll have fun ^_^


Wizard SoD, SG30 - I'm in!


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Are we allowed to use monster feats from the Bestiary? My merfolk is really fond of Improved Natural Armor.

Also, shouldn't sorcerer/wizard HP be d6?

How is this arena going to be anything like Deadliest Warrior if there is anything besides combat? Sounds like it's going to be so much more.


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If you allow for it, here is my updated character.

I missed your earlier rule about intelligent/special items. Sorry. For the purposes of this game, I will be treating her as if she had a normal cauldron of flying (albeit still filled with water).

That correction will free up about 250gp of her starting funds, which I will be using for mundane gear.


Yea, as I mentioned earlier he used 3.5 HD


I'll be submitting Goblin Gus after I fix his stats to the 25 point buy, level him up, and fix his equipment.
Does the Goblin Gunslinger feat allow a goblin to use a musket sized for a medium creature?

Goblin Gunslinger:
You have learned how to fire the big guns.

Prerequisites: Goblin.

Benefit: You can wield Medium firearms without taking the penalty for an inappropriately sized weapon.

Normal: You take a –2 penalty when using an inappropriately sized weapon.


Here is the thread dealing with the character I am working on: Ezra.


Another couple of questions:
1 How are you rulling consuable items after each fight? Are they gone once you use them, or do we start each fight "refreshed?"
2. Do you want us to post our characters here, or get them to you some other way?

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Raving Dork: My guess would be Bestiary feats are out.

Also, I think partial wands are not allowed under the idea of no nonstandard items. The usefulness (and cheesiness) of partial wands cannot be overstated: and it only makes the math for all participants much more difficult.

Wands, IMNHO need to be purchased at full charges.


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cp wrote:

Raving Dork: My guess would be Bestiary feats are out.

Also, I think partial wands are not allowed under the idea of no nonstandard items. The usefulness (and cheesiness) of partial wands cannot be overstated: and it only makes the math for all participants much more difficult.

Wands, IMNHO need to be purchased at full charges.

As far as I'm concerned, as part of starting gear, partial wands are standard. In any case, cheesiness is highly subjective, so let's just leave it to chaiboy to decide all that, shall we?

But hey, if you're afraid of my character, you don't have to participate. :P


Can we use the Piecemeal Armour Rules?

To be perfectly honest my biggest annoyance is going to be Gunslingers.

He should specify what the gun levels are. Are we using Early and the limited selection of guns from Golarion or what?


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Azaelas Fayth wrote:

Can we use the Piecemeal Armour Rules?

To be perfectly honest my biggest annoyance is going to be Gunslingers.

He should specify what the gun levels are. Are we using Early and the limited selection of guns from Golarion or what?

The only thing that concerns me is the GM. He has a lot of questions to answer and his rulings will undoubtedly have a dramatic effect on the contestants' capabilities.


Ravingdork wrote:
cp wrote:

Raving Dork: My guess would be Bestiary feats are out.

Also, I think partial wands are not allowed under the idea of no nonstandard items. The usefulness (and cheesiness) of partial wands cannot be overstated: and it only makes the math for all participants much more difficult.

Wands, IMNHO need to be purchased at full charges.

As far as I'm concerned, as part of starting gear, partial wands are standard. In any case, cheesiness is highly subjective, so let's just leave it to chaiboy to decide all that, shall we?

But hey, if you're afraid of my character, you don't have to participate. :P

I couldnt load your character. It said file damaged.


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That's just as well. Wouldn't want to give away my game plan to the competition.

The only person who need see it is chaiboy.


Azaelas Fayth wrote:

Can we use the Piecemeal Armour Rules?

To be perfectly honest my biggest annoyance is going to be Gunslingers.

He should specify what the gun levels are. Are we using Early and the limited selection of guns from Golarion or what?

I'm going to assume "Emerging"


Yeah, hmm... If I knew how to set-up a PbP campain I probably would set up my own Colusium though it would probably for Level 20 with limited firearms (only the base Gunslinger allowed and firearms at full price).


Ravingdork wrote:

That's just as well. Wouldn't want to give away my game plan to the competition.

The only person who need see it is chaiboy.

Quite true. I guess I'll hold on to my upgraded character as well. I did like the lvl 10 build you posted though.


Nu'Raahl wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

Can we use the Piecemeal Armour Rules?

To be perfectly honest my biggest annoyance is going to be Gunslingers.

He should specify what the gun levels are. Are we using Early and the limited selection of guns from Golarion or what?

I'm going to assume "Emerging"

So you aren't going to use Musket Master?


Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Nu'Raahl wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

Can we use the Piecemeal Armour Rules?

To be perfectly honest my biggest annoyance is going to be Gunslingers.

He should specify what the gun levels are. Are we using Early and the limited selection of guns from Golarion or what?

I'm going to assume "Emerging"
So you aren't going to use Musket Master?

Yes. Still using the musket master. Emerging is basically as written in the book for prices, classes, and feat selection.

Emerging Guns:
Emerging Guns: Firearms become more common. They are mass-produced by small guilds, lone gunsmiths, dwarven clans, or maybe even a nation or two—the secret is slipping out, and the occasional rare adventurer uses guns. The baseline Gunslinger rules and the prices for ammunition given in this chapter are for this type of campaign. Early firearms are available, but are relatively rare. Adventurers who want to use guns must take the Gunsmithing feat just to make them feasible weapons. Advanced firearms may exist, but only as rare and wondrous items—the stuff of high-level treasure troves.


Musket Master isn't part of the Baseline Gunslinger Rules.


Check the firearm levels. The only one that mentions anything about archetypes is the Very Rare Guns. It's possible I'm reading it wrong, but I don't think "baseline gunslinger rules" means the exclusion of archetypes.


I think there was a comment about this... I can't seem to find it though.

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Ravingdork wrote:


As far as I'm concerned, as part of starting gear, partial wands are standard. In any case, cheesiness is highly subjective, so let's just leave it to chaiboy to decide all that, shall we?

But hey, if you're afraid of my character, you don't have to participate. :P

RAW - wands do not have the number of charges that we want - they either have random number, (which is silly in this kind of competition) or, have full when you craft.

There's no reason to get snarky - I'll go with whatever rules chaiboy wants. If we allow partial wands I'll have about 20 of them in my haversack, with a variety of charges from 2 to 20. It gives an advantage to those that are really willing to do adventures in bookkeeping.

Also, as a competitor, I would claim foul with your idea that you can float in a flying cauldron. The cauldron simply isn't big enough to float in - to stand in - sure. Finally I would note that if it *were* filled with water to a depth of 4 feet - approximating the cauldron as a 4 foot sphere results in 33.5 cu feet of water, with a weight of 2093 lbs - well over the capacity of the cauldron to *fly*.


More questions:

When you say the entire competition takes place over the course of a day, does that mean spell caster's won't get to rest and prepare spells between battles?


Why is it I now wanna make a "The Hunger Games" based campaign...


Alright, since I don't get to play high-level characters very often, I figure I totally should try this out. So, I'm thinking I would like to enter this with an Oracle, which I will need to stat up, but I have a couple questions.

1. I understand ARG is allowed, so does that also mean racial favored class bonuses are allowed from it, as well? So for example, can I choose a new spell as my favored class bonus for Oracle if I'm a human? (Or one of the other races that allows that) Edit: An addition on this one. The bonus says that it must be of a level lower than the highest spell level you can cast. At first level, with the ability to cast level 1 spells, does that mean I could grab level 0 spells to put on the list? (Probably won't bother either way, but am curious)

2. How exactly is this going to be run? Play by post? Just curious, because I haven't done that before, so I would like to know if I should figure it out ahead of time.

3. And, put fairly bluntly, are we shamelessly min-maxing, since this is pretty much gonna be all about combat? I'm guessing yes, but just thought I'd ask.

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Azaelas Fayth wrote:

Medieval Crossbows used a Crank mechanism to draw the cable back.

Light Crossbows were able to leave the crank on the bow. Heavy Crossbows couldn't.

That said Why didn't you post this in the PbP forums?

Honestly I was looking for feedback on the idea. not sure where the best place to post a ready adventure at.

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Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Why is it I now wanna make a "The Hunger Games" based campaign...

lol. I was thinking about it before i came up with this one... but then realized if you put a bunch of guys stripped of equipment out in front of a pile of weapons the sorcerers and druids would eat everyone else alive. I was thinking that maybe there start with a collar that null's their power and the key stone is there in the pile to.

In any case it is doable but going to be pretty tricky when half are walking artillery. even if you deal with them you still have the issue of the monk.

definitely should start a thread on it and see if anyone has any ideas for it.

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Darkwolf117 wrote:

Alright, since I don't get to play high-level characters very often, I figure I totally should try this out. So, I'm thinking I would like to enter this with an Oracle, which I will need to stat up, but I have a couple questions.

1. I understand ARG is allowed, so does that also mean racial favored class bonuses are allowed from it, as well? So for example, can I choose a new spell as my favored class bonus for Oracle if I'm a human? (Or one of the other races that allows that) Edit: An addition on this one. The bonus says that it must be of a level lower than the highest spell level you can cast. At first level, with the ability to cast level 1 spells, does that mean I could grab level 0 spells to put on the list? (Probably won't bother either way, but am curious)

2. How exactly is this going to be run? Play by post? Just curious, because I haven't done that before, so I would like to know if I should figure it out ahead of time.

3. And, put fairly bluntly, are we shamelessly min-maxing, since this is pretty much gonna be all about combat? I'm guessing yes, but just thought I'd ask.

You can use all rules in the books so: 2 Traits, Archtypes, Favorite class swaps etc.

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Nu'Raahl wrote:

More questions:

When you say the entire competition takes place over the course of a day, does that mean spell caster's won't get to rest and prepare spells between battles?

No clerics, druids and mage classes will have to figure out how to divide up their spells between all the battles.

Keep in mind that all the battles means 2-3 battles.

After breaking down the numbers the arena has to start with 2,4 or 8 people. any other number will leave odd people not fighting in battles. I don't see doing this with more than 8 people. maybe as a forum game can pull off 16 or 32 people but right now small is better.

So you have 3 battles at the most and only have to deal with one opponent. organize spells appropriately. I think there are magic items that help you get back spells so you might want to invest in those.


Should we move this to the PBP threads?

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Jin Takashi wrote:
Should we move this to the PBP threads?

Where are those threads?


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Jin Takashi wrote:
Should we move this to the PBP threads?

Probably.

chaiboy wrote:
Where are those threads?

Right here.

chaiboy wrote:
You can use all rules in the books so: 2 Traits, Archtypes, Favorite class swaps etc.

Does that mean everyone has Hero Points as well then?

cp wrote:
I'll have about 20 of them in my haversack, with a variety of charges from 2 to 20.

Your wands will make a nice addition to my collection once I take them from you in the arena. ;D


How many Ioun stones can a char have buzzing around his head at once?

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