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Conditions:
third level magus
wand wielder arcana
two handed melee weapon
weapon wand spell
wand with a touch spell
Notes:
you can't use spell combat without a free hand
wand wielder replaces the free hand with a wand
a two hand sword must be held in two hands to be wielded
Therefor:
If a magus uses weapon wand to place a wand into a two handed weapon and has the wand wielder arcana he may now use spell combat because he is wielding the two handed weapon at all times and is holding a wand in place of a free hand at all times.Thoughts?
This would work, but ONLY for activating the wand. In other words, you could not do spell combat to cast any of your standard magus spells, ONLY the spell that's in the wand.
Benefit: The magus can activate a wand or staff in place of casting a spell when using spell combat.
This is saying that you can ACTIVATE a wand or staff with what would normally be your free hand, in place of casting a spell, not that you can HOLD a wand and still have it count as a free hand for casting spells.
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That's my point.
So, you see the same thing I do.
For the wand inside the sword you can activate it and take the attack granted by the use of spell combate and the bab granted attacks.
But, YES only for the wand in the sword.
OH I see what you're saying. So you'd put a wand of, say, shocking grasp into the weapon, then you'd be able to cast it and get an extra attack (which you're more interested in than getting the extra spell damage). I like it. Gives a Two-Handed Fighter or Ranger a good reason to dip two levels of Magus.
I'd say no.
Inorder to spell combat it specifically states you need a one handed or light weapon and a free hand.
Wand wielder alters the free hand condition, for purposes of using that wand to do spell combat, but it does not alter the status of the weapon. The series of events needs to be an attack with a light or one handed weapon,followed by the spell, (or visa versa).
In order to do this the two handed weapon would need to be a one handed weapon (like a staff with quarter staff mastery) so IF the Character had say Jotun Grip, then it would be considered a one handed weapon for that character.
In this case, calling the two handed weapon a wand and a light handed weapon, it is not.
It would be interesting to make maybe a specialized double weapon that was a wand and a sword, or even an archetype around this,
IF you wanted to do this with a bastard sword for example, you could. the weapon CAN be a one handed weapon if you have the exotic weapon proficiency and it can also be a two handed weapon and you can put the wand in there.
But putting the wand in say a greatsword, does not change the status of the weapon, and combining it with wand wielder doesnt change the situation either.
Spellstrike and Spell combat specifically call that out.
You are correct in saying that spell combate requires a "light" or "one handed weapon".
So, that would discount the use of a two handed weapon all together, but what if the two handed weapon was an elven curved blade?
They use the weapons finesse feat( reserved for light weapons) tho they weigh in at 7 lb instead of the max 3lb on the chart for light weapons.
Would a mithril elven curved blade not fit (3.5) and useable with the weapons finesse feat. But it is still not a one handed weapon so a bastard sword would be the largest weapon you could do this with.
I there for agree after reviewing the (light or one-handed weapon clause)
that no you could still not use spell combat even with weapon wand and wand wielder combo, but you could cast from the wand and still use spell strike or a weapon bonus enhanced touch attack with the wand spell.
you could do what you want, theoretically, I think you are just missing a feat.
Like staff magus, the quarterstaff master feat or jotungrip. You just need something that overcomes this two hander in one hand thing.....keep researching there is a way to make the build me thinks.
so umm Im confused, with the wand in the weapon, what's the intent of this for a non magus, how would that work, and why would you want it?
a few levels of barbarian archetype splashed into that build and you could spell combat with the twohanded weapon. Spell combat is intended for one free hand, but wand wielder alters that, and the jotun grip ability would change the two hander to a one hander, there by allowing a character to do what you want.
Take the trait that gives +2 to caster levels, and the rage power moment of clarity and you could have a raging magus two hander spell combating spellstrike wand wielder build,
Wand wiedler specifically calls out it can be used in lieu of a spell cast, as part of spell combat. Spell strike specifically states it can be used in conjunction with spell combat. The two go together.
IF you wanted to do this with a bastard sword for example, you could. the weapon CAN be a one handed weapon if you have the exotic weapon proficiency and it can also be a two handed weapon and you can put the wand in there.
You don't need the exotic wp here. The bastard sword IS a onehanded weapon, even if you need two hands to use it without proficiency.
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Wand wiedler specifically calls out it can be used in lieu of a spell cast, as part of spell combat. Spell strike specifically states it can be used in conjunction with spell combat. The two go together.Items as Spells: Does using a potion, scroll, staff, or wand count as "casting a spell" for purposes of feats and special abilities like Augment Summoning, Spell Focus, an evoker's ability to do extra damage with evocation spells, bloodline abilities, and so on?
No. Unless they specifically state otherwise, feats and abilities that modify spells you cast only affect actual spellcasting, not using magic items that emulate spellcasting or work like spellcasting.
Therefore, no, you cannot cast from a wand and spellstrike, since spellstrike requires casting a spell and casting from a wand is not casting a spell.
I've highlighted the only part of spellstrike that mentions spell combat, and there is no exception made for...Spellstrike (Su)
At 2nd level, whenever a magus casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack. Instead of the free melee touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, a magus can make one free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack bonus) as part of casting this spell. If successful, this melee attack deals its normal damage as well as the effects of the spell. If the magus makes this attack in concert with spell combat, this melee attack takes all the penalties accrued by spell combat melee attacks. This attack uses the weapon’s critical range (20, 19–20, or 18–20 and modified by the keen weapon property or similar effects), but the spell effect only deals ×2 damage on a successful critical hit, while the weapon damage uses its own critical modifier. See FAQ/Errata at right for more information.
After re-reading the abilities, Oneplus has the right of it, you can't use Wand Wielder with Spellstrike.
Your GM can, of course, rule otherwise, but the "penalty" is that, without the Exotic Weapon feat, you simply can not use a bastard sword in one hand.
If you're not proficient, you can't use an appropriately sized bastard sword with Spell Combat, as you have to actually wield the weapon, not just hold it.
+1 craig the magus arcana is the exception to his rule.
One more thing, if the magus has both the wand wielder and close range arcana, the spell doesn't have to be a touch spell anymore either.
if the magus took [Wand Wielder] that arcana it says specifically that he can use a wand in place of casting a spell for Spell Combat
Yes, for Spell Combat, not Spellstrike.
clearly the magus specific rules overwrite the general rule...
Yes, and the magus specific rule says you must have cast the spell. You bolded "If the magus makes this attack in concert with spell combat" which doesn't change the prerequisites for being able to use Spellstrike.
Using Wand Wielder means instead of casting a spell at all you're activating a wand as part of Spell Combat.
You're still not casting a spell, so you still can't use the wand with Spellstrike.
Grick, you're just making things up now.
Wand wielder modifies spell combat, which can then be used with spell strike, all day long buddy.
Close range modifies spell combat, which can be used in concert with spell strike.
Because you can spellstrike as part of spell combat, you are not spell combating as part of spell strike. Spellstrike in and of itself, is a modifier of spell combat, just like wand wielder and close range are.
Grick, you're just making things up now.
I had assumed you had already read the rules. I'll do it again with citations this time.
Spellstrike (Su): "At 2nd level, whenever a magus casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack."
As you can see, the rules state that you must have cast a spell in order to use Spellstrike. That spell also has to have a range of "touch" and it must be from the magus spell list.
FAQ: " No. Unless they specifically state otherwise, feats and abilities that modify spells you cast only affect actual spellcasting, not using magic items that emulate spellcasting or work like spellcasting."
As you can see, the FAQ clarifies that activating a wand is not actually spellcasting.
Since activating a wand is not casting a spell, you cannot use Spellstrike with a wand.
Wand wielder modifies spell combat, which can then be used with spell strike, all day long buddy.
Wand Wielder (Su): "The magus can activate a wand or staff in place of casting a spell when using spell combat."
As you can see, the arcana specifies that it allows you to replace the casting a spell component of Spell Combat with activating a wand. This does not mean that activating a wand is now casting a spell. This therefore means that you still cannot use Spellstrike with a wand, even if you're using the wand with Spell Combat.
Close range modifies spell combat, which can be used in concert with spell strike.
Close Range (Ex): "The magus can deliver ray spells that feature a ranged touch attack as melee touch spells. He can use a ranged touch attack spell that targets more than one creature (such as scorching ray), but he makes only one melee touch attack to deliver one of these ranged touch effects; additional ranged touch attacks from that spell are wasted and have no effect. These spells can be used with the spellstrike class feature."
As you can see, the arcana doesn't mention Spell Combat at all. It simply allows you to deliver a ray with a melee touch attack, which means it can also be used with Spellstrike. You still have to cast the spell, and it still has to be from the magus spell list.
Because you can spellstrike as part of spell combat, you are not spell combating as part of spell strike.
You can only use Spellstrike if you meet the requirements of being able to use Spellstrike. If you don't meet those requrements, then you can't use the ability.
Maybe this will make more sense to you: A monk can make an unarmed strike as part of a flurry of blows, but that doesn't mean that if he uses a quarterstaff during a flurry, that it gets any of the benefits of unarmed strikes. They're two separate class abilities, even though they can be used together.
Spellstrike in and of itself, is a modifier of spell combat, just like wand wielder and close range are.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what Spellstrike does. You might find A Guide to Touch Spells, Spellstrike, and Spell Combat useful.