Necro'd this thread because it sort of has the answer I'm looking for, but I need some kind of link to PRD or some language that verifies Oladon's answer.
When I go to the PRD Attacks of Opportunity Section, I don't see language that says it occurs right before the completion.
What I see is, "An attack of opportunity “interrupts” the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with the next character's turn (or complete the current turn, if the attack of opportunity was provoked in the midst of a character's turn)."
Unfortunately, that isn't exactly clear for someone who stands up from a prone position. If the enemy is in the process of standing up (the AoO trigger event), they are no longer prone, but they are also not done standing up, so they are in this semi-half standing state. Since they are in this in-between state when the AoO occurs, how does the prone condition apply?
Is there anything more definitive, as I'm at my wits end trying to find how to definitively say that the prone penalty applies.
Is there a rule about how changing your conditional modifier requires you to complete an action or something? Thus, to fully change your prone status, you must complete the stand up process, and since the AoO interrupts that process the enemy hasn't lost the prone condition. Anyone know of a rule like that or something that clearly states it happens in such a way that the prone condition prevails during a stand up procedure?
Thanks. I would greatly appreciate any feedback since I can see this becoming a potential table-side argument, which I'd rather like to avoid.
It is as Oladon stated.
As you stated:
1) If an attack of opportunity is provoked
2) Immediately resolve the attack of opportunity
3) Continue with the next character's turn (or complete the current turn...
Example in reverse:
Attacker goes to trip Defender
Defender gets AoO (1) and takes it (2). Defender is still standing and does not take penalties of being prone as Defender is not yet (and may not become) prone.
Attacker can now finish trip attempt, whether on the ground and prone or not (3).
Er, yes, I see your comments, but is there a RULE link or a page I can see that clearly states it better than that?
I can just see my table getting into an argument because our GM is very "show me the rule" kind of guy. I was hoping for some very clear statement or rule. I guarantee that rule I linked to isn't clear enough.
"If an attack of opportunity is provoked (the act of standing up), immediately resolve the attack of opportunity (say to hit them), then continue with the character's next turn (the act of standing up)."
But you as you can see, he's in the process of standing up that provokes it. It means he is no longer prone. You can't be halfway pregnant. You are either prone, or you're not. That's the problem.
Or as my GM may argue, if moving into a threatened square provokes it, it means he's already in the threatened square, not just outside the threatened square. So, the attack of opportunity happens in the threatened square location, not at the edge of the previous square.
I'm only trying to find some kind of definitive rule someone can point to, or a clear rule example. I have to be able to point to the rule or PRD with some kind of explicit language.
Otherwise, I'm going to hope his view of what "immediate" means when resolving the AoO.
I don't know what else to tell you. There is no rule that says 1 + 1 = 2. But I can assure you that if Oladan was incorrect, there would have been at least 1 post (more like 100 posts) to state as such in over a year.
Wait, this should work:
Trip: When a prone character stands up and provokes an attack of opportunity, can I use that attack to trip the character again?
No. The attack of opportunity is triggered before the action that triggered it is resolved. In this case, the target is still prone when the attack of opportunity occurs (and you get the normal bonuses when making such an attack). Since the trip combat maneuver does not prevent the target's action, the target then stands up.
—Jason Bulmahn, 08/13/10
Translation, the AoO is resolved BEFORE the prone person stands up. In this case, adding prone to prone has no effect so it would be a wasted AoO even if it was successful.
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Our group had a little tussle last night about the rogue talent "Stand Up". You are allowed to stand up as a free action but still provoke AoO as normal. The question is, do you provoke as if you were still prone (taking a penalty to AC) or since you stood up as a free action, do you use your full AC?
They get the +4 to attack because you provoke before you stood.