Exiled / Runaway Drow

[J. Chris Harris]

If you're looking for an AP where one might fit in, Mummy's Mask appears to work for that. Granted, you'll have a good time with all that sun, but you'd probably blend in fine with the oddball adventuring parties in Wati. People just wouldn't know what you are. With current events being what they are, they're not likely to care, either. You might have trouble running into elves or something, though.

[TritonOne]

Steelfiredragon wrote:

it might be that for some it ahs to sound drow

Then the player is playing a Dungeons & Dragons drow character using the Pathfinder rules in the Golarion/Inner Sea campaign setting. Which is OK, but I would encourage the player to chose a name that was more in-tune with the campaign setting.

Perhaps the player could create a name using the following list as guidance:

Kismet's Dungeons and Dragons Drow Name List

[Mikaze]

Bumping real quick:

I'm going to put together a sort of Golarion-surface world "survival guide" for good and neutral drow PC players(and to an extent, GMs) some time. Are there any particular questions or worries anyone would like to see answered or explored there? Suggested faiths* and faith reactions? Character seeds? Mindset suggestions? Safety measures by-region? Allies to seek out, potential enemies to avoid?

it's probably going to have to open with a clarification about the Second Darkness sidebar since taht's always the first thing that gets trotted out as "proof" that you can't have non-evil drow in Golarion

*Black Butterfly is totally getting some play there

[KingmanHighborn]

Well I've never made a drow, but I have made several Gnoll characters and that race being generally CE, like Drow, I can still find ways to make them interesting and tie them into the campaign.

Crissor Salem is my LG paladin character, and since I'm not writing on book, (Cause a was a long time ago and the project got scrapped.) he is basically the prototypical 'adopted' (by a Halfling paladin no less, as a pup, after said paladin smited the hell out of his birth mother. Since LG gods would look down on killing babes.) character. He grows up, still a gnoll in the since he is an carn(Omni really)ivorous character, but he has standards he sets down above everything else. He'll growl when frustrated, but at heart because of the way he is raised he acts like a big fuzzy Halfling. (though he hits his head on the ceiling...a lot...)

Daz Bangfang, is a character for Kingmaker, he was charmed once, and helped a group of adventurers, decided to not kill him, he took an interest in the gunslinger, and even after the charm effect followed them since they feed him, and he learned how much fun shooting stuff is, and making gold. (Granted he is a mercenary, he is in it for gold and excitement.) He isn't evil, since evil actions would get him killed in the places he loves. (taverns! and shops that sell the stuff to make black powder)

And finally there is my Curse of the Crimson Throne Gnoll Puppy, as in Puppy is his name. He was one of Lamm's Little Lamms...so I think you can see where this barbarian gets his mile wide vicious streak. Needless to stay once he was beaten and left for dead, he only survived by digging through his would be grave (garbage barge) for food, and grows up to basically be a Korvosan garbage collector. Which makes for a way to have a monster in a town, and the town know about it and not care. People won't turn away someone doing them a service no matter how they look.

So anyway just a way of showing how to work more races into this. As a GM my Golarion has racism but I allow all races so if someone brought me a good drow, I'd let em' in any campaign.

[John Kretzer]

Mikaze wrote:

Bumping real quick:

I'm going to put together a sort of Golarion-surface world "survival guide" for good and neutral drow PC players(and to an extent, GMs) some time. Are there any particular questions or worries anyone would like to see answered or explored there? Suggested faiths* and faith reactions? Character seeds? Mindset suggestions? Safety measures by-region? Allies to seek out, potential enemies to avoid?

it's probably going to have to open with a clarification about the Second Darkness sidebar since taht's always the first thing that gets trotted out as "proof" that you can't have non-evil drow in Golarion

*Black Butterfly is totally getting some play there

Well if you need any help Private Message me. I am always willing to help drow PCs step out from the fanboyism that is known as Drizzt.

[shadowkras]

Quote:

I for one Love Drow period

This didnt come out so well.

@topic
There are good drows, they are just hunted and executed before reaching surface. The drow that try to escape rarely make it outside.
That said, i have absolutely no problem, as gm, with PC drows, as long as a decent backstory is given. I would even let an evil drow in play.
Aligments are just guidelines, not stone carved rules.

[magnumCPA]

Am I the only one who is starting to think complaining about this cliche has become an even bigger cliche?

[Steelfiredragon]

I just use my drow as Merchants who often say politics and religion can get in the way of business...

and use that as an excuse to get out and flee

[LazarX]

Mikaze wrote:

vuron wrote:

it's just that Surface elves occasionally fall into drowdom.

Yep, and honestly I'm really thankful the transformation only works one way, because otherwise good drow would be riddled with unfortunate implications. The whole "you are evil no longer, your skin is now light!" thing.

Besides, why lock away obsidian-skinned elves as a look for good drow? It's a cool aesthetic that a lot of people like.

I'm still a bit bugged about the "Dark skin equals evil trope" that's been lurking around ever since Drow first appeared in Fiend Folio. Or orcs for that matter. One of the reasons I like World of Warcraft is that they took that dark elf evil, fair elf good trope and stood it on it's head.

[Steelfiredragon]

well the thing is about the drow is its heritage outside of DnD/PAthfinder/this campaign/ and taht campaign where they exist.

so yes dark skin for them is evil first and foremost.

don't like it, too bad. It's your table though, so if you don't like it, you can say that there is a group of transportation magics gone bad and play a dunmer from Elderscrolls, a whatever elf from WoW, a dark elf from any other setting.

the dark truth of it all

the truth of it all part 2

[zagnabbit]

I like my Drow Evil with a big E.

The Dark Skin, Light skin thing can always be reversed.

I played in a campaign where all the Tree hugging, moon dancing, lovers of life, surface elves had Obsidian Skin and white hair. While all the deep dwelling, sun loathing, spider obsessed, S&M freaks had skin like alabaster. They were pale because they never saw the sun, like Cave Fish.

Half Elves were just Dusky.

No one seemed to mind.

[KingmanHighborn]

By the way want a good flavorful way to play a character from a typically evil race that isn't evil? Get another PC to take this trait:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/faith-traits/redeemer-faith

Now you are done, and done.

[NobodysHome]

Mikaze wrote:

Bumping real quick:

I'm going to put together a sort of Golarion-surface world "survival guide" for good and neutral drow PC players(and to an extent, GMs) some time. Are there any particular questions or worries anyone would like to see answered or explored there? Suggested faiths* and faith reactions? Character seeds? Mindset suggestions? Safety measures by-region? Allies to seek out, potential enemies to avoid?

it's probably going to have to open with a clarification about the Second Darkness sidebar since taht's always the first thing that gets trotted out as "proof" that you can't have non-evil drow in Golarion

*Black Butterfly is totally getting some play there

I've been intentionally avoiding posting on this thread since my opinions on drow PCs are made abundantly clear in the very first post of my Rise of the Runelords Campaign Journal, but since you're asking, Mikaze, and we had a huge amount of interaction when we were simultaneously running CotCT I was wondering whether you'd looked at that thread for my treatment of a stray drow, or whether you were avoiding it because you hadn't yet run/played the AP.

All the posts up to CaroRose's July 19, 2012 post are non-spoiler background material, but we went with three basic tenets:
- Drow, being "polluted" by Rovagug, will tend towards evil if left to their own devices.
- Believing in redemption stories, we allowed that drow, if raised well, taught to control their tempers, and treated properly, were redeemable and individual drow could have non-evil alignments. I realize this violates some people's fundamental notion of drow, but our take is that if you can redeem a succubus (now part of official Golarion canon), you can redeem a drow.
- Just as not all evil elves become drow, not all good drow become elves.

It made for a spectacularly-roleplayed AP; I will frankly state that it was the best-played character I've ever seen by anyone in any of my gaming groups.

But as a GM I had it easy. RotRL is set pre-Second Darkness, so only dwarves and elves knew what drow were, so while they attacked her on sight, other races were far more tolerant of her.

So it worked well for me, and it worked in the setting of Golarion with very few assumptions.

[Mikaze]

NobodysHome wrote:

I've been intentionally avoiding posting on this thread since my opinions on drow PCs are made abundantly clear in the very first post of my Rise of the Runelords Campaign Journal, but since you're asking, Mikaze, and we had a huge amount of interaction when we were simultaneously running CotCT I was wondering whether you'd looked at that thread for my treatment of a stray drow, or whether you were avoiding it because you hadn't yet run/played the AP.

D'oh! No, I either missed it entirely or I've lost it in the midst of getting swamped. I'm don't have to avoid journals for that AP at all, so I'm definitely hitting that up when I get some time cleared out this week! Thanks for the link, and the heads-up! :)

(the only APs I need to avoid info on now are Jade Regent, Skull and Shackles, and Wrath of the RighteoOH GOD I'm so far behind on that campaign's journal)

edit-And absolutely agreed on that risen fiend reveal(the one big thing I've had spoiled for me) kicking the doors off the hinges for mortal races to get in on some redemption. Precedent! :)

[NobodysHome]

Mikaze wrote:

D'oh! No, I either missed it entirely or I've lost it in the midst of getting swamped. I'm don't have to avoid journals for that AP at all, so I'm definitely hitting that up when I get some time cleared out this week! Thanks for the link, and the heads-up! :)

LOL! "Some time cleared out this week!"

You haven't seen my writing.

Take it in small chunks. :-P

[Ajaxis]

In those realms I have forgotten,
There may be drow who are not rotten,
But in Golarion, where many campaign,
A drow for most only brings pain.

[Steelfiredragon]

Ajaxis wrote:

In those realms I have forgotten,

There may be drow who are not rotten,
But in Golarion, where many campaign,
A drow for most only brings pain.

nice with the rhyme

sounds like a dime....

oh I cant do one...

so now I am done

[Mikaze]

I like my drow to be good, neutral, or evil.
Pauly Shore used to be called the Weevil.

NobodysHome wrote:

Mikaze wrote:

D'oh! No, I either missed it entirely or I've lost it in the midst of getting swamped. I'm don't have to avoid journals for that AP at all, so I'm definitely hitting that up when I get some time cleared out this week! Thanks for the link, and the heads-up! :)

LOL! "Some time cleared out this week!"

You haven't seen my writing.

Take it in small chunks. :-P

Yes, I am swiftly learning that. ;)