i wasnt. I was sad about Dale and the girl.
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Sophia's death was horrible, especially because of the time, energy and hope the group invested in finding her.
Dale's was sad because the group lost a person with a lot of wisdom earned from long experience.
Otis's death was also sad because he wanted to make amends for his mistake, and was left to die.
But Shane??
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You can put me in the "I was happy when Shane died" camp. It was only a matter of time and who killed him. I thought it was going to be Karl tbh.
Haven't been sad about any character deaths so far, although Sophie, Dale and Otis were all tragic.
I'm just hoping for more action this season.
Because he was talking a lot of sense until the writing took a turn and have suddenly became a psychopath. People were more upset that the only person who thought differently than the main character and wasn't a racist jerk or nutcase or anything like that suddenly went off the map. They did something similar with th main characters wife, iirc.
Also, I'm sure that main character will start thinking and acting a lot like Shane now, and the show is probably going to suffer for it. Note - - i am NOT saying that Shane was a stand up guy or should have kept having sex with the protagonists wife or ANY THING like that, in fact I was looking forward to a buildup of tension and a stand off between the re that would have ended in shanes death. What I got was a rushed to descent into the most selfish kind of madness that made me think the actor asked for more money than the studio was willing to pay and got written off th show for it.
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I only get to watch this show on Netflix so it takes me awhile to catch up, but I thought Shane's heel-turn and death were handled pretty well.
I was a little sad to see Shane die, but it was more out of pity because there were times you could see he'd probably been a decent guy before the outbreak.
Shane started to slip when he first lied about Rick being dead in the hospital. Sure, he lied to protect Lori and Carl, but it's kind of the classic "road to hell" scenario with Shane. Doing terrible things simply got easier for him as time went on because he was always able to justify his actions and tell himself he was doing it to protect Lori and Carl.
Shane had been building toward becoming a murderer since that one little lie. Sacrificing Otis was just the point where he finally gave in to the idea of doing the worst thing imaginable in order to save Carl and prove he was a better man than Rick. When he finally worked that through in his head, he convinced himself it was right because it saved the kid.
Shane was an interesting villain because he had the complexity that comes from being the bad guy who has the best intentions and selfish reasons for wanting to do what is good. You could tell he wanted to keep people safe, but he developed an "at all costs" mentality and only really wanted to be loved for being the hero. If I was to give him an alignment at the time of his death, I'd say he was Neutral Evil.
I don't think Shane's death had anything to do with pay disputes since, from what I've read, the character was living on borrowed time anyway. I've never read the series but I learned he probably would have died in Season 1 of the show if they'd been following the original story.
I can see being sorry to see him go as a plot-device, counter-point to Rick, a source of tension and drama. Also it was a good acting performance so I can see being sorry to see him go as a cast-member. But grief over his death as a character? Like, on a personal level? No. Nuh-uh. He was toxic.
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Yes he was. I can see Carol (Sofia's mom) becoming the next pain in the _s_ for the survivors, and she's been on my hate list for awhile. As a character, she just doesn't seem to exist for any other reason than to be a burden on everyone else. I kind of wanted to punch her when she was trying to talk Daryl into challenging Rick. The only other characters who annoy me are Carl and Lori.
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I don't know, I was like "about damn time", and I'm still thinking it might be a little too late for Rick too, (after the first season, he has just become a flip-flopping pointless terrible leader that people follow for some unknown reason, can't make up his mind, can't leave his whore of a wife who keeps betraying him, can't teach his kid not to get everyone killed when he does something that incredibly stupid, etc. . .)
Dale, on the other hand, seems to have been one of the few that actually had courage to stand up, and with everything that was lost with his death, (though I get it), seems like the worst possible person to go for any chance at being able to keep what's been lost in the world.
I kind of think Season 2 dropped the ball, badly, so maybe 3 will change my opinion back. Season 1 was amazing, but it seems like Resident Evil has set the standard on good zombie movies, after the first one. . .
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I don't know, I was like "about damn time", and I'm still thinking it might be a little too late for Rick too, (after the first season, he has just become a flip-flopping pointless terrible leader that people follow for some unknown reason, can't make up his mind, can't leave his whore of a wife who keeps betraying him, can't teach his kid not to get everyone killed when he does something that incredibly stupid, etc. . .)
Dale, on the other hand, seems to have been one of the few that actually had courage to stand up, and with everything that was lost with his death, (though I get it), seems like the worst possible person to go for any chance at being able to keep what's been lost in the world.
I kind of think Season 2 dropped the ball, badly, so maybe 3 will change my opinion back. Season 1 was amazing, but it seems like Resident Evil has set the standard on good zombie movies, after the first one. . .
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I loved Resident Evil Apocalypse.I'm confused as to the Shane hate myself, almost as I am confused about the hate for any character save perhaps the main character and his family. They all seem to be the wrong people to have around you in a zombie apocalypse situation, surviving only because the storyline says they have to.
And whore of a wife? Come on dude. They ALL thought he was dead, with damn good reason. The hospital scene was HELLISH.
Why are people calling Lori a whore? She hasn't done anything wrong since she found out Rick was alive.
While Shane was becoming more of a pain as time went on and he was definitely losing his humanity, his character was interesting to me. That said, I don't mourn his loss since sooner or later he was bound to die. I like that the show doesn't flinch from killing off main characters.
I look forward to the new season.
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I get that Lori was ignorant of her infidelity. She just annoys me with her clinginess to Rick. Even with his shooting and the walkers everywhere, you'd think she'd be used to him going off to do dangerous work, but she still ran off after him alone without telling anyone where she was going.
I've also got a problem with her decision to keep the baby. What blows me away is she already listed off all the best reasons for going through with the abortion and she still decided to keep the thing. I really hope this is a setup by Kirkman to have the baby stillborn as a zombie to shock the audience because I'm exactly the sort of weirdo who would find that incredibly entertaining and hilarious.
I guess I have to agree with you. You are a weirdo.
All the characters are annoying in different ways (except for Glenn and Daryl).
The most annoying character is actually Andrea, because her massive ego. When she shot Daryl, she got lucky she didn't kill him. She was told NOT to shoot (and shooting is always the last resort because it attracts walkers). More importantly, her shot could have brought down a herd of walkers that were merely passing on the road, and what happenned at the end of the season would have happenned earlier. That's why you don't shoot, you don't know. She does crap like that all the time, endangering the group for her ego. And she's almost always emo. Did she thank Dale for saving her worthless ass?
Karl is just a kid, I don't blame him for his actions. If his parents instructed him better (and maybe started training him like an adult), he would be able to handle himself better and less like a kid. Treat him like a kid, he's going to act like a kid.
I also don't understand why anyone would want commit suicide. Awww... poor f@!~ing baby, life is hard. Life was much harder for many of our ancestors, even in World War 2, and they didn't whine as much. Personally, I think they were sitting pretty on that farm. Life was good. The most important thing for survival is food and water (although food/water seem to be afterthoughts on the show), and they had both.
I don't think it's so weird that Lori wants to keep the kid. Anyone who has kids would understand. Plus, life has to go on. Just because when you die, you turn into the zombie, it's not the end of the world. It's just something you deal with.
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But I agree about Andrea. Annoying.
Sorry, I have to disagree on the farm-the guy was keeping walkers there for emotional reasons - they would have gotten out eventually. And on the suicide thing as well - - ww2 had an astonishingly high number of suicides on both sides. War is hell, whether you are fighting the living or the dead.
Just got around to catching up on netflix. I thought they handled it well, from the latter half of the second season it was pretty clear that Shane had to die (unless they killed Rick which wasn't likely). They dragged it out to the utmost but at least they ended it and yes I was glad that Rick did it not his kid (which was what I was half expecting though he kind of did it also). Curious to see how the series plays out with Rick losing his foil though.
They actually made a pretty good hybrid of the comics and the TV series by having Rick kill Shane, but Carl puts down the zombie Shane. In the comics, it's Carl that shoots Shane. I agree with Jason S. I cannot STAND Andrea. I wish they would have let her die. She's trying so hard to be Action Girl but failing miserably.
Other than Shane, the one character I couldn't stand was Dale! WHO THE F%~$ takes away all the guns in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSES!
That is hardcore stupid. I would have shot the guy for trying that BS.
Other than Shane, the one character I couldn't stand was Dale! WHO THE F+%* takes away all the guns in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSES!
That is hardcore stupid. I would have shot the guy for trying that BS.
And that's why he took the guns: because Shane was starting to think like that.
And that's why he took the guns: because Shane was starting to think like that.Other than Shane, the one character I couldn't stand was Dale! WHO THE F+%* takes away all the guns in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSES!
That is hardcore stupid. I would have shot the guy for trying that BS.
Exactly! He should have been killed with a knife or beaten to death. Shooting him could draw zombies! :)
IMHO Lori needs to go. Her schizophrenic BS needs to stop. First she's pissed at Shane because he exists. She tells him to stay away from her Karl, Rick, and all that. So when Karl talks to Shane in the next episode and he ignores it, she gets pissy again and b*%+$es at him for not talking to the kid. JESUS-H-CHRIST woman, make up your mind. No wonder Shane when batship crazy. I would too if she tried to hand me that nonsense.
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My two cents on Lori:
She and Rick got married young, probably right out of high school.
She (most likely) has known Rick and Shane the same amount of time ( best friends, small town).
She (probably) had a crush on Shane (since he had the bad-boy rep), but married Rick, because he was the good boy ( therefore trustworthy and likely to be a good provider).
As the years went by, Lori got bored with Rick. He was too nice ( never fought with her).
She (probably) started wondering what life would have been with Shane ( dangerous, exciting).
When Shane tells her Rick is dead, she gets to act on that fantasy without guilt, so she does.
When Rick arrives at the camp, her new exciting love life slams hard against the realization that her old life is still there.
Thus, she's a mess, psychologically speaking.
And now in Season 3, as expected, she thinks Rick hates her for what she made him do.
In season 3, Lori seems sane finally, and is non-annoying (so far).
Not sure I understand why Rick hates her so much now, if he was going to hate her it should have been in season 2. Does he hate her just because he killed Shane? It was Shane's fault.
In season 3, Karl is perhaps the most level headed of the survivors, except for maybe Rick and Daryl. He's hardened, a survivor, and more mature.
I just recently watched seasons 1 and 2, and did a little follow-up research online and was surprised at the number of fans who were upset that Shane was killed.
Am I missing something? In my opinion, the only less sympathetic character introduced thus far was Merle.
Is it just pity?
It all comes down to one thing, which is left for us to determine.
Shane leaned down and listened for Rick's heartbeat. He professes that he heard nothing, which no one could blame him for missing with the zombie apocalypse beating down the door and the military opening up on civilians. He leaves the room, then closes the door and then does the barricade the door with the gurney thing.
If he did it because he's decided that he wants the family for himself, then he's acting true to his nature later on.
If he did it because he doesn't want his friend's body to be ravaged, then there's a core of goodness and selflessness in there.
Let's imagine it's the latter, since the former is resolved in their fight, as he is efficiently put down like a rabid animal.
Shane is the ultimate pragmatist (with an extra helping of pragmatism especially when it comes to decisions that he comes ahead on), but he shows that he is tortured by his shooting the other guy in the leg. The loss of his locks, I imagine they are trying to suggest that he is not as looks focused now, but instead he just gets more of a skinhead thing going, cues everyone that he's not playing with a full deck.
You're just waiting for things to come to a head, with the inevitable standoff, especially since Shane is getting increasingly one-dimensional and annoying. Every decision is so meant to stir up negative feelings within the watchers (like walkers, but with less movement and far less thoughts flowing through their brains as the TV box sucks out their souls) that he might as well be twisting his handlebar moustache and petting the "kill minion #4 button."
Rick says he sees the good in him and it looks like Shane is really taking it to heart, and I was thinking "holy smokes they might actually have this guy come back from the brink and rejoin the group."
Nope.
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Now Rick will be the new Shane, but we like him more so that's okay.
...or something.
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The loss of his locks, I imagine they are trying to suggest that he is not as looks focused now, but instead he just gets more of a skinhead thing going, cues everyone that he's not playing with a full deck.
Im pretty sure the shaved head thing was just so no one would ask him why a man's-fist-sized chunk of hair had been ripped out. Remember that he was intentionally vague explaining Otis' death. Vague so that he was less likely to be caught in a lie. To me the head shaving was destroying evidence and another example of Shane's pragmaticism.
Im pretty sure the shaved head thing was just so no one would ask him why a man's-fist-sized chunk of hair had been ripped out. Remember that he was intentionally vague explaining Otis' death. Vague so that he was less likely to be caught in a lie. To me the head shaving was destroying evidence and another example of Shane's pragmaticism..
The loss of his locks, I imagine they are trying to suggest that he is not as looks focused now, but instead he just gets more of a skinhead thing going, cues everyone that he's not playing with a full deck.
Holy smokes, I totally forgot about that (though saying, "Hi a zombie tore it out" might have worked) and here I was looking for symbolism.
Thanks for bringing moi back in line!
And that's why he took the guns: because Shane was starting to think like that.Other than Shane, the one character I couldn't stand was Dale! WHO THE F+%* takes away all the guns in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSES!
That is hardcore stupid. I would have shot the guy for trying that BS.
And Shane in this case would have been right to do so; he was threatening the entire groups safety. As we saw you don't need guns just to fight off the zombies, but the other human groups as well.
Weapons are as valuable to them as food or water. No guns were not perfect, but guns are the best thing to use when you already have a horde headed to you. I would kill him if he tried to take all the knives if that was the best thing we had for defense. It is like taking all the para-shoots away from everyone in failing airplane in mid flight, you get your shoots back, and if you have to live in a failing airplane with this guy who seems determined to get you killed, you kill them, simple self defense.
And that's why he took the guns: because Shane was starting to think like that.Other than Shane, the one character I couldn't stand was Dale! WHO THE F+%* takes away all the guns in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSES!
That is hardcore stupid. I would have shot the guy for trying that BS.
And Shane in this case would have been right to do so; he was threatening the entire groups safety. As we saw you don't need guns just to fight off the zombies, but the other human groups as well.
Weapons are as valuable to them as food or water. No guns were not perfect, but guns are the best thing to use when you already have a horde headed to you. I would kill him if he tried to take all the knives if that was the best thing we had for defense. It is like taking all the para-shoots away from everyone in failing airplane in mid flight, you get your shoots back, and if you have to live in a failing airplane with this guy who seems determined to get you killed, you kill them, simple self defense.
I'm not saying getting rid of the guns or any weapons for that matter was the best option. Dale tried to do so though because of the militant, survival of the fittest mindset that was growing in the group. Shane had completely given into this philosophy and Dale was trying to stop it from spreading. Essentially, what good is surviving if you turn into something less in the process.
I understand and buy this, but Dale was really being annoying in the way he went about it, and borderline psychic in his suspicion of Shane. I chalk that up to writing woes - - If dale had his way they would have been eaten by zombies post haste.
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I didnt think he was annoying at all. I thought he was showing both his wisdom and experience while Shane was basically acting like a bully child. Just opinions though.
And I agree both part of the reason Dale was the worst death and and what Dale was thinking was that what good is surviving if you lose everything worth living for which is where Shane (and others) where/are heading.
As for being nearly psychic, I didnt get that impression either. Just quet, observant, and intuitive, like he was with guessing the baby and other things.
I'm not saying getting rid of the guns or any weapons for that matter was the best option. Dale tried to do so though because of the militant, survival of the fittest mindset that was growing in the group. Shane had completely given into this philosophy and Dale was trying to stop it from spreading. Essentially, what good is surviving if you turn into something less in the process.And that's why he took the guns: because Shane was starting to think like that.Other than Shane, the one character I couldn't stand was Dale! WHO THE F+%* takes away all the guns in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSES!
That is hardcore stupid. I would have shot the guy for trying that BS.
And Shane in this case would have been right to do so; he was threatening the entire groups safety. As we saw you don't need guns just to fight off the zombies, but the other human groups as well.
Weapons are as valuable to them as food or water. No guns were not perfect, but guns are the best thing to use when you already have a horde headed to you. I would kill him if he tried to take all the knives if that was the best thing we had for defense. It is like taking all the para-shoots away from everyone in failing airplane in mid flight, you get your shoots back, and if you have to live in a failing airplane with this guy who seems determined to get you killed, you kill them, simple self defense.
From a sociological study stand point there is no lesser or greater, just different.
I didnt think he was annoying at all. I thought he was showing both his wisdom and experience while Shane was basically acting like a bully child. Just opinions though.
And I agree both part of the reason Dale was the worst death and and what Dale was thinking was that what good is surviving if you lose everything worth living for which is where Shane (and others) where/are heading.
As for being nearly psychic, I didnt get that impression either. Just quet, observant, and intuitive, like he was with guessing the baby and other things.
Yeah, if not psychic, he had dmpc/jiminy cricket written all over him. I'll have to go over it again, but I'm pretty sure he never killed a zombie, but was ready to get moral once he got through a scrape. I could b horribly wrong, however. That said, I found him quite annoying.
You're just waiting for things to come to a head, with the inevitable standoff, especially since Shane is getting increasingly one-dimensional and annoying. Every decision is so meant to stir up negative feelings within the watchers (like walkers, but with less movement and far less thoughts flowing through their brains as the TV box sucks out their souls) that he might as well be twisting his handlebar moustache and petting the "kill minion #4 button."
Rick says he sees the good in him and it looks like Shane is really taking it to heart, and I was thinking "holy smokes they might actually have this guy come back from the brink and rejoin the group."
Shane never would have come back from the brink. Lori kept pushing him back there every time Rick was pulling him away from it. The I love you I hate you stay away from my family I want to be friends thing was maddening. The strain on Shane's mind was enormous, especially with the guilt over killing Otis. And then after Shane is dead, Lori dares to get upset at Rick for killing him? No s*&& he hates her. She practically put the knife in Rick's hand, is carrying Shane's baby, and can't even keep track of her son. If it wasn't for Carl, Rick would have left her.