Not really sure myself. Only thing that comes to mind for 'cha to damage' is the mysterious stranger archetype for gunslinger.
Dipping paladin/anti-paladin would let you add Cha to hit while smiting.
Didn'y 3.0/5 hsve a feat for each stat or something? Bravado, etc?
Never played it... but found some online one time and converted the idea to 2E.
I was a little surprised to start playing REAL pathfinder and seeing that they weren't transfered over!
Makes sense in a way though... it kind of unbalanced our 2E game a bit. It was TOO good a feat.
Since you're using a scimitar, it might be worth mentioning that there is a scimitar-exclusive feat (Dervish Dance) that uses Dexterity for attack and damage. Probably not as good as Wisdom or Charisma for you, but perhaps still a step up from Strength.
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Since you're using a scimitar, it might be worth mentioning that there is a scimitar-exclusive feat (Dervish Dance) that uses Dexterity for attack and damage. Probably not as good as Wisdom or Charisma for you, but perhaps still a step up from Strength.
Which also requires Weapon Finesse and 2 ranks in Perform.... hence slightly hard to take at 1st level for a Cleric unless he/she is human but yeah.
It is also not "Core" Rules.
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Since you're using a scimitar, it might be worth mentioning that there is a scimitar-exclusive feat (Dervish Dance) that uses Dexterity for attack and damage. Probably not as good as Wisdom or Charisma for you, but perhaps still a step up from Strength.Which also requires Weapon Finesse and 2 ranks in Perform.... hence slightly hard to take at 1st level for a Cleric unless he/she is human but yeah.
It is also not "Core" Rules.
Assuming the cleric worships Saranrae a dip into Dawnflower Dervish bard is conceivably worthwhile. Or even playing one instead of a cleric depending on goals for the character.
Which also requires Weapon Finesse and 2 ranks in Perform.... hence slightly hard to take at 1st level for a Cleric unless he/she is human but yeah.
It is also not "Core" Rules.
Actually impossible to take at 1st level since it requires two skill ranks in Dance.
Dervish Dance is very much RAW. It is even allowed in PFS.
Please tell that to the OGC and the "Paizo Peripheral" sticker
Actually impossible to take at 1st level since it requires two skill ranks in Dance.Which also requires Weapon Finesse and 2 ranks in Perform.... hence slightly hard to take at 1st level for a Cleric unless he/she is human but yeah.
It is also not "Core" Rules.
Was introduced in our campaigns while we were still wobbling around with DnD 3.5 rules, and certain players habitually picked it. Personally, I find it so cheesy outside the originally Sarenraeic flavour.... Gorgonzola has nothing on it. Even had a goblin trying to bring it into the game...
Often enough Caryatid Statues turn up, solving the problem^^
Dervish Dance is very much RAW. It is even allowed in PFS.Please tell that to the OGC and the "Paizo Peripheral" sticker
All that "Paizo Peripheral" means is that it isn't from the core rules. It's still allowed in PFS and is RAW.
All that "Paizo Peripheral" means is that it isn't from the core rules. It's still allowed in PFS and is RAW.
As I said : not "Core". You know, there are worlds and campaigns where the Inner Sea Guide does not apply
All that "Paizo Peripheral" means is that it isn't from the core rules. It's still allowed in PFS and is RAW.As I said : not "Core". You know, there are worlds and campaigns where the Inner Sea Guide does not apply
And that's why options from there should never ever be mentioned?
Hmm, there's also the Guided weapon enchantment, it works like Agile just with wisdom.
However it's non-Core apperently so not sure your GM will allow it.
Edit: Gah! No one mentions it for 7 hours and then i get ninja'd by 2 minutes? *flail*
All that "Paizo Peripheral" means is that it isn't from the core rules. It's still allowed in PFS and is RAW.As I said : not "Core". You know, there are worlds and campaigns where the Inner Sea Guide does not apply
That is not what you said.
Blackbloodtroll said;
Dervish Dance is very much RAW. It is even allowed in PFS.
Then you came back with;
Please tell that to the OGC and the "Paizo Peripheral" sticker
Dervish Dance
Both of what Blackblood said was true. Then you attempted to make it seem like he was wrong. So i told you what it meant.
If you are playing in PFS then Dervish Dance is okay to pick and it's also okay to pick in most games unless it's "Core" only.
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It was originally printed in the 3.5 Campaign Setting, then it was reprinted in the Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Guide.
It is very much RAW.
It is in this book.
Dervish Dance is Core.
is there are thread of using stat X to do what stat Y normally does
nature oracle can swap in cha for dex for AC/CMD
sure theres a feat for swapping in cha for dex in initiative
sorceror type that uses wis rather than cha
im sure there are loads more
If you are playing in PFS then Dervish Dance is okay to pick and it's also okay to pick in most games unless it's "Core" only.All that "Paizo Peripheral" means is that it isn't from the core rules. It's still allowed in PFS and is RAW.As I said : not "Core". You know, there are worlds and campaigns where the Inner Sea Guide does not apply
Inner World Guide is setting specific. The "Core" (main rules, UM, UC, Bestiaries, APG ) is not-setting specific. PFS takes place in Golarion, hence ISG is "specific" for PFS play, it bothers me not.
If you care to play in your home setting, it is not relevant, unless your GM tells you it is.
And... as stated by Paizo themselves on dervish dance
"Paizo Peripheral. This content is from material published by Paizo Publishing, LLC, but is not part of the Pathfinder Core Rules." ( bolding : mine). Please, just look it up, the link is provided.
My interpretation of "Core" follows what paizo states and writes it is. Your mileage may vary.
As for the original post : switching around stats to replace others is very much bound to specific classes and their individual setup ( Orkish Witch Doktor, Oracle of Lore, Oracle of Nature etc. . There is no general feat by paizo at the moment that allows it. You may have to vary your mode of physical attack.
The "Core" (main rules, UM, UC, Bestiaries, APG ) is not-setting specific.
I thought "Core" was the Core Rulebook, have I been wrong? If someone says "Core" only, I assumed it ment only the rulebook, nothing from APG,UM,UC, ect would be allowed.
Dervish Dance isn't part of the Core Rules.
It is RAW.
There's a difference between the two phrases. One is an indication of a specific subset of Paizo products, the other indicates an official rule produced by Paizo after the Core Rules were published.
If you are playing in PFS then Dervish Dance is okay to pick and it's also okay to pick in most games unless it's "Core" only.All that "Paizo Peripheral" means is that it isn't from the core rules. It's still allowed in PFS and is RAW.As I said : not "Core". You know, there are worlds and campaigns where the Inner Sea Guide does not applyInner World Guide is setting specific. The "Core" (main rules, UM, UC, Bestiaries, APG ) is not-setting specific. PFS takes place in Golarion, hence ISG is "specific" for PFS play, it bothers me not.
If you care to play in your home setting, it is not relevant, unless your GM tells you it is.
And... as stated by Paizo themselves on dervish dance
"Paizo Peripheral. This content is from material published by Paizo Publishing, LLC, but is not part of the Pathfinder Core Rules." ( bolding : mine). Please, just look it up, the link is provided.My interpretation of "Core" follows what paizo states and writes it is. Your mileage may vary.
As for the original post : switching around stats to replace others is very much bound to specific classes and their individual setup ( Orkish Witch Doktor, Oracle of Lore, Oracle of Nature etc. . There is no general feat by paizo at the moment that allows it. You may have to vary your mode of physical attack.
Can you read? I said;
If you are playing in PFS then Dervish Dance is okay to pick and it's also okay to pick in most games unless it's "Core" only.
Why are you arguing with me?
what's wrong with allowing Dervish Dance for a home game. just cut out all the Sarenrae stuff and refluff it to fit your own world.
the easiest way to fix this is to allow it to work with any weapon from the light or heavy blades category that doesn't require 2 hands.
And... as stated by Paizo themselves on dervish dance
"Paizo Peripheral. This content is from material published by Paizo Publishing, LLC, but is not part of the Pathfinder Core Rules." ( bolding : mine). Please, just look it up, the link is provided.My interpretation of "Core" follows what paizo states and writes it is. Your mileage may vary.
You do realise that pfsrd is NOT a paizo site but a fansite. Those tags at the side with Paizo Periphical or so, are not official, they're made by the PFSRD team, and they can be wrong.
However no one said that the ISWG is Core, so why are you getting your panties in a tiwst?