Mindugas |
I am currently building a shield focused Ranger for Society. I had considered purchasing an adamantite shield until I realized there is no method by which to determine the price. A heavy steel shield is listed in the weapons of the Core Rule Book as well as the armor section. Yet under the Special Materials Section of Chapter 6 of Core Rulebook Adamantine it does not list a shield. Yet shield is listed as a specific cost in Mithral. I just want to make sure that all of the relevant rules are expressed in the email.
Is it possible to create a shield out of adamantine? If so is it receiving the ability to overcome DR as a weapon or it is granting DR as the armor?
My beleif, although founded only on my own reasonable reading of the book, is that if you are allowed build an adamantine shield it would only receive the benefits of a weapon.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Grick |
If so is it receiving the ability to overcome DR as a weapon or it is granting DR as the armor?
A shield is not light, medium, nor heavy armor, so it doesn't fall into any of the categories that grant DR.
When used to bash, a shield is a martial bludgeoning weapon, and as such, if the shield were made of adamantine, it should bypass DR/adamantine.
Since there's no shield or per lb. entry in the adamantine table, I would assume it should be priced as a weapon. YMMV, so ask your GM.
Shalmdi |
Interesting. I would think this is more an oversight than anything else as there is no logical rules reason a steel shield couldn't be made out of adamantine instead. My ruling would be the same as the others here. I would treat it like a weapon in all respects. I couldn't see it granting DR anyway. With the lack of a shield entry, it sounds like something for the GM to rule on, but since this is for society play, I would probably avoid it all together. Making it into a weapon should be allowed, but I wouldn't want to bet that every GM would agree on that. Just my two copper.
Pendin Fust |
There is a light,heavy, and tower shield type (also buckler but I'd consider that light) entries in the armor category. You could try to homebrew Bucklers and Light shields are light type, Heavy shields are medium types, and Tower shields are heavy type for Armor.
Dunno if you should be forced to choose to take DR or Attack bonus.
Maybe only the spikes on a shield can count towards bypassing DR. Adamantine shield with adamantine spikes. So you're paying twice, once for the armor category, and once for the spikes for the attack if you want it to do both.
TGMaxMaxer |
I would say it was bought as a weapon, since under Martial weapons, you find Light shield under light wpns, and Heavy shield under 1 handed. This is how they are classified for the purpose of two weapon fighting as well, a light shield is a light weapon when used to bash and a heavy shield is a 1 handed weapon for the penalties applied to that feat. So you have plenty of grounds for that part at least.
As far as the DR, I agree that it should be DR1 for heavy and 2 for tower, light and buckler just not enough coverage. But that's just because i think it fits, no RAW or even RAI for that.
Shalmdi |
But what about the rules for Pathfinder society? Legal?
Yes. As long as it is treated solely as an adamantine weapon. This is what I found in the Society Guide.
All basic armor, gear, items, and weapons from Chapter 6 of the Core Rulebook, including Small and Large-sized items. This does not include equipment made from dragonhide, but it does include equipment made from the other special materials, such as alchemical silver and cold iron (see the Special Materials section on page 154 of the Core Rulebook).
Since a shield is not mentioned specifically, you would have to treat it as a weapon entry. In this case, the argument becomes, "No a shield isn't specifically mentioned but neither is a longsword." Shields are mentioned under weapons, so I can see no real flaw in this. Besides, it is logical that a steel shield could be made with a special material intended to replace steel. Just don't try to add the DR.
TGMaxMaxer |
In that vein, could i buy a mithril shield and add cold iron shield spikes to it?
Since they can be added after the fact to a shield, thereby on a spiked shield bash bypassing both silver and bludgeoning or cold iron and piercing? As you are either slamming with the edge of the shield(silver/bludgeoning) or the spike in the center (cold iron/piercing)?
Assuming the cost of the item would be shield+1000 for mithril, +20 for Cold Iron Spikes (10x2)...
TGMaxMaxer |
but the type with armor spikes changes to B/P, not B or P. therefore, if you hit with the edge of the shield you would be hitting with mithril and a bludgeoning attack, while if you hit with the spike in the center you would be using the cold iron spike, with a piercing attack. just like a Lucerne hammer with a mithril hammerhead and a cold iron pick, (PFS legal btw.)
TheSideKick |
Dang it being for Society. If it weren't, I would rule at my table that it granted DR/1, since it's about as much metal as light armor. Put it on a throwing shield and you're now Captain America.
captian america used a vibranium, adamantine blended shield. so :P you cant play captian america.
Sangalor |
but the type with armor spikes changes to B/P, not B or P. therefore, if you hit with the edge of the shield you would be hitting with mithril and a bludgeoning attack, while if you hit with the spike in the center you would be using the cold iron spike, with a piercing attack. just like a Lucerne hammer with a mithril hammerhead and a cold iron pick, (PFS legal btw.)
Not according to the rules: They state that a shield with armor spikes becomes piercing weapon, no choice of damage type allowed.
Sangalor |
Also pretty sure in PF there are no "Shield spikes" as seperate entry. You either use a spiked shield or a normal shield, and the whole thing is made from one material.
The screw-on spikes are a 3.5 thing as well.
You can add the spikes to a shield, that is what turns them into spiked shields:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor/shield-spikesThere is also no requirement to make them from the same material.