Shhh. Our tumors are talking


Rules Questions


Genius Idea, Can the Alchemists Tumor familiar talk with other growths/pustules/cancers when it gains the ability speak with others of it's kind?

Grand Lodge

No, it talks with the type of animal it appears like.


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Ultimate Magic wrote:

As

a standard action, the alchemist
can have the tumor detach
itself from his body as a separate
creature vaguely resembling a kind of
animal suitable for a familiar (bat, cat,
and so on) and move about as if it were
an independent creature.

This to me reads like that when you detach the familiar you choose it's form, does that sound right?


A Ninja wrote:


This to me reads like that when you detach the familiar you choose it's form, does that sound right?

While the text suggest that, it doesn't sound quite right to me.

Given that you get the skill bonus and alertness feat even when it is attached to you, I expect it to be a fixed choice. Otherwise you would get to choose whatever familiar bonus you want, at the cost of a standard action. While this isn't game-breaking, I don't think it is intended.

Off-topic: My favorite use of tumor familiar is being a small race, and having a tiny familiar. Reduce person on yourself, enlarge on the tumor, and suddenly you have a tumor mount. With alter self (and later on beast shape) together with mutagen, you tumor can get rather large and strong, eventually being a Tumor Triceratops.

Grand Lodge

Best thing about Tumor familiar? The Improved Familiar feat.


HaraldKlak wrote:
being a small race, and having a tiny familiar

Some familiars (like the goat) are small already, so you'd need just one spell to ride your tumor.


VRMH wrote:
HaraldKlak wrote:
being a small race, and having a tiny familiar
Some familiars (like the goat) are small already, so you'd need just one spell to ride your tumor.

Sadly the tumor familiar is required to be tiny or diminuitive, so that limits the choices. However beast shape I or alter self is enough to turn the tumor into a medium creature.


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This is all sounding more wrong with every post O_o

Grand Lodge

The initial familiar can only be as big as tiny, but with Improved Familiar, you can grab a Nuglub, or Quasit(which can become a full blown wolf).


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If I'm not mistaken, the jury is still out on the legality of Improved Tumor Familiars. I like the Quasit tumor, though.


I'd further question whether or not the improved familiar feat is able to circumvent the inherent limitations of the Tumor Familiar.

My personal favorite Improved Tumor is a severed head. Together with parasitic twin, you are going to have a really messed up alchemist.


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5)Tumor Familiar:

Does an Alchemist with this discovery count has having the "familiar class feature" (which is the prerequisite for certain feats like: 'Evolved Familiar')?
SKR wrote:
5) Yes, it counts as a familiar.

From here.

Of course, alchemists don't give arcane caster levels.

Grand Lodge

The alchemist levels count as caster levels for a variety of things, like Improved Familiar, and Craft feats.

Besides, a Homunculus is something every Alchemist should be able to create.


Even if they counted as caster levels for improved familiar, they don't count as arcane caster levels.

And really, after the flurry of blows issue where many freelancers got it wrong, you really shouldn't be certain about the craft feats anymore.

Grand Lodge

Carrion Crown has a number of Alchemists with craft feats,

and a:
Alchemist Lich
.

The same goes for familiars.


Then any alchemists with familiars in there are in error. (See my note about flurry of blows?) The rules are clear on this. Tumor Familiars count as familiars, but alchemists do not have arcane caster levels.


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blackbloodtroll wrote:
Best thing about Tumor familiar? The Improved Familiar feat.

I want to do this with an air elemental and basically have a "Fart familiar." It appeals to my inner 9 year old.

Grand Lodge

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Hold on, I need to collect my notes.


If you can find anything in the rules that state that they're arcane spellcasters, then and only then can they select Improved Familiar. After a search of all alchemist pages on the PRD, there is no where that says they're arcane casters.


And if your notes are about Craft feats, I gave you those notes :p

Grand Lodge

Wait, you and I had this discussion before Cheapy.

Just to break it down:
An Alchemist can take the Improved Familiar feat, but it does nothing, as they are not Arcane casters.
That's your standpoint?


They're casters for the purpose of crafting, right? So they could grow a homunculus-tumor.


The original designer of it says they were intended to be, although I have seen some quotes by the developers that hint otherwise.

Grand Lodge

Most of my examples come from Carrion Crown, but I feel this needs to be addressed.

I will start a new thread, and hope I get developer comment.

Silver Crusade

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