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Yeah I am sick of demons and devils but I have been sick of them since 2nd edition. Thank you paizo for giving us Oni, Azura, Qlippoths, etc.
Savage Tide was over 5 years ago and Demon within just under that. CoT had some devil stuff but demons and devils are as different as aberrations and undead imo.
We are ripe for a PFRPG demon AP.
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I'll be honest, this one doesnt sound appealing to me. I am also disappointed you think a Mendev AP will be hard to do. Hopefully the gen con one will interest me more.
Kingmaker and Jade Regent were also hard to do.
Just because an AP sounds hard to do doesn't mean we won't do it, in other words!
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We are ripe for a PFRPG demon AP.
Agreed. I for one am very much looking forward to a demon- or devil-focused adventure path, whenever that'll happen.
1. Fight demonic cultists/minions/travel to Mendev
2. Fight demonic cultists/minions/explore themes central to Mendev
3. Fight demonic cultists/minions/explore themes central to Mendev
4. Desperate last stand against demon assault
5. Bring the fight to the demonic hordes of the Worldwound
6. Bring the fight to the demonic hordes of the Worldwound - fight demon boss
SCORE!
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James did mention that a 1-20th ap would be even less likely than a geb ap. So I don't expect it anytime soon.Does that imply that a Geb/Nex AP is also unlikely (though not as much as a 1-20 one)? Because that would really surprise me. I remember reading how Geb/Nex were Eric Mona's thing, and he at one point had plans for the Spire of Nex, so I figured an AP set there was not just likely, but inevitable.
Also, opposite of fairy princesses could mean... literally anything other than fairy princesses, depending on your perspective. I doubt it'll be Numeria yet (though I'd love if it were). That still leaves tons of underdeveloped countries yet to host an AP - Isger, Molthune, Nirmathas, Rahadoum, Thuvia, Druma, Five Kings Mountains, Galt, Qadira, and the afforementioned Geb/Nex, off the top of my head.
The original question wasn't for a Geb/Nex AP, but for a Geb AP.
Anytime Nex gets involved, chances for us doing something sort of plummet, since Nex is Erik's baby and he's a busy guy.
An AP that sticks to Geb but doesn't involve Nex has a MUCH higher chance of seeing print sooner than a Nex/Geb AP. The thing is... if we do a Geb AP... wouldn't it sort of look like a mistake if we didn't do anything with Nex in it?
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I'll be honest, this one doesnt sound appealing to me. I am also disappointed you think a Mendev AP will be hard to do. Hopefully the gen con one will interest me more.Kingmaker and Jade Regent were also hard to do.
Just because an AP sounds hard to do doesn't mean we won't do it, in other words!
Glad to hear!
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I'm waiting to hear more, but at present I'm not sure that I personally will be too interested in this AP. But that doesn't bother me unduly - I've already got RotRL/Shattered Star to GM for the next few years, Skull & Shackles sitting on the shelf, and several other titles in the back catalogue I'd be happy to run. By the time I've got through all those I expect Paizo will have released a couple of other APs I'm going to want.
Well...
Pathfinder isn't a wargame. So it's unlikely we'll ever really do something closer than Kingmaker... just so ya know.
I'm not really asking for a wargame per se. I'd just like to see something that involves a war or a big battle of some sort. The old Red Hand of Doom adventure for 3.5 did that really well. Of course I've been agitating for a more detailed mass combat system than the one we got with Kingmaker, but that's a niche product at best so I'm not really expecting that to happen. But an AP that takes place during some kind of war could possibly work, I think.
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Pathfinder isn't a wargame. So it's unlikely we'll ever really do something closer than Kingmaker... just so ya know.
I'm not really asking for a wargame per se. I'd just like to see something that involves a war or a big battle of some sort. The old Red Hand of Doom adventure for 3.5 did that really well. Of course I've been agitating for a more detailed mass combat system than the one we got with Kingmaker, but that's a niche product at best so I'm not really expecting that to happen. But an AP that takes place during some kind of war could possibly work, I think.
I'd love a Heroes of Battle "battlefield as a dungeon" kind of adventure. That was probably the single most creative addition I saw in 3.5
Well...
Pathfinder isn't a wargame. So it's unlikely we'll ever really do something closer than Kingmaker... just so ya know.
I'm not really asking for a wargame per se. I'd just like to see something that involves a war or a big battle of some sort. The old Red Hand of Doom adventure for 3.5 did that really well. Of course I've been agitating for a more detailed mass combat system than the one we got with Kingmaker, but that's a niche product at best so I'm not really expecting that to happen. But an AP that takes place during some kind of war could possibly work, I think.
Skull and Shackles might end up having a Naval Wargame, but it might not be what you are asking for.
A shame Nirmathas/Molthune remain on the backburner for the time being... A human vs. human war story is a bit more compelling to me than Mendev/Worldwound, for one simple reason:
It is possible to regard a "human" enemy general with respect, even to reach an accommodation. A demon? A demon is always going to be a demon. It's fashioned from pure evil and chaos. While it certainly leaves room for "battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster" moral ambiguity, it also means that the horrors of war are emphatically one-sided. Demons, after all, have no civilian populations to worry about, and nothing you do to them is going to be much worse than what they do to each other.
And I don't particularly need that kind of war story.
As for Baba Yaga? Paizo, Paizo. We've talked about this. I want to keep some of my money someday. *sigh* I guess now won't be the time...
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...An AP that sticks to Geb but doesn't involve Nex has a MUCH higher chance of seeing print sooner than a Nex/Geb AP. The thing is... if we do a Geb AP... wouldn't it sort of look like a mistake if we didn't do anything with Nex in it?
There are plenty of non-Nex plothooks that can do the job:
- Nemret Noktoria: Maybe those gifts aren't enough anymore? Maybe they want a direct hand running Geb and a foothold/redoubt on the surface?
- Lastwall: Revenge!
- Internal strife: Maybe those lower status thinking undead are tired of being among the underclass and looked down upon? Maybe a recently uncovered artifact/cult has discovered a means to restore some/all intelligence to the non-thinking undead? Maybe some new plague threatens to destroy Geb's crops? Maybe a trade coster/consortium plans to wrest control from the existing powers/Blood Lords?
- Pharasma: This undead business has grown relatively unchecked long enough.
- Cult of the Dawnflower: What Pharasma said, plus a new beachhead against Qadira!
- Mwangi: Maybe Cheliax/Aspis Consortium/Usaro (or a very temporary partnership) have figured out how to destroy/explode a pass through the Shattered Range for trade or conquest or under fiendish insistence (or all three)?
- And of course, there is all of the above happening in a short span of time as a plan to wear down Geb forces (and Geb-sponsored mercs/adventurers) for the real plan by the BBEG.
That's just me spitballing; I'm sure you Paizo peeps can think of better. My point being that even if they knew of the plan, Nex (and Alkenstar) could just silently lend funds, material resources, and information to any credible anti-Geb machinations through "third parties" at little to no risk and full CYA disavowment of involvement. If the plot works, great! Nex and Alkenstar can then sweep in afterward, wiping out the weakened overthrowers/plotters/BBEG forces and depleted Geb forces. If the plot fails, great! Still get to have fun watching Geb take a pounding for free/cheap, we're taking notes on holes in Geb defenses, and hey, did we mention we expanded trade with Katapesh and Jalmeray? Oops, sorry what that loss in trade will do to the Gebbite economy.
And as an added bonus, maybe the project will inspire Erik to find time to do Nex stuff? He doesn't need sleep, right? ;)
Title: Reign of Winter.
This pleases me. This pleases me very very much.
Nex and Geb AP! And Mana Wastes/Alkenstar in between. Maybe with a foray into eastern Mwangi Expanses as well.
Back on topic please
This thread is about the upcoming Winter themed AP,
not an AP wish list
Why is no-one freaking out about the Rasputin Must Die AP?
Could we actually be talking about a real-world Rasputin analogue? A planeswalker from ancient Earth?
That's a big deal.
I want to speculate about Rasputin's class...
Daron Woodson
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Baba Yaga is a fictional figure (unless you know something I don't!). Rasputin actually lived on Earth! The titular Rasputin featured in the Adventure Path might just be an analogue, but if it's really Rasputin Rasputin, the implications are pretty interesting. Namely, that Earth shares a universe with Golarion.
Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts
The titular Rasputin featured in the Adventure Path might just be an analogue, but if it's really Rasputin Rasputin, the implications are pretty interesting. Namely, that Earth shares a universe with Golarion.
Or that there's some trans-universal activity going on here, which would be equally as interesting.
Baba Yaga is a fictional figure (unless you know something I don't!). Rasputin actually lived on Earth! The titular Rasputin featured in the Adventure Path might just be an analogue, but if it's really Rasputin Rasputin, the implications are pretty interesting. Namely, that Earth shares a universe with Golarion.
Earth sharing universe with Golarion was implied multiple times, at least when Elder Gods and Elder things were considered.
I thought the Rasputin Must Die was part of the Reign of Winter AP..?
Please elaborate!
It's been awhile and I'm not sure where the thread is exactly, but I thought someone on the Paizo staff confirmed that Earth was indeed in the same universe as Golarion.
I know in Wake of the Watcher, the article about Cthulu mentions he is trapped under the waves in a faraway world.
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Baba Yaga is a fictional figure (unless you know something I don't!). Rasputin actually lived on Earth! The titular Rasputin featured in the Adventure Path might just be an analogue, but if it's really Rasputin Rasputin, the implications are pretty interesting. Namely, that Earth shares a universe with Golarion.
James Jacobs has explicitly said as much multiple times, actually. And since his opinion is controlling in such matters...
Yeah, Earth and Golarion share a universe.
So let's speculate about Rasputin's class. Cleric?
Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts
I'd say Oracle.
Do you think he has an...ahem...slam attack?
Rasputin charmed the Russian Royal family I would think he would have some kind of powerful charming abilty and a very high Charisma. Also some kind of low level cure abilites due to the royal familys belief he could heal the crown prince. I would say a low or medium Wisdom since he did not seem to comprehend the consequences of his actions.
Definately some kind of healer, then.
I'd say Oracle.
Do you think he has an...ahem...slam attack?
Hm. I forgot about that particular rumor...
Yeah, maybe slam attack similar to the the one the tanuki has.
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Rasputin charmed the Russian Royal family I would think he would have some kind of powerful charming abilty and a very high Charisma. Also some kind of low level cure abilites due to the royal familys belief he could heal the crown prince. I would say a low or medium Wisdom since he did not seem to comprehend the consequences of his actions.
And Con 30 by the looks of it. Endurance and Diehard, too.
Diehard feat was possibly named after him, since I don't think anyone ever died harder than him.
Yep, very high Con. maybe even immune to poison. When he was assassinated he was poisoned, shot, stabbed, and he was still walking away before they strangled him and through him in the river at which point he finally died by drowning.
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And yet Rasputin Must Die sounds like such a simple objective, doesn't it?
Woe to the players who didn't pay attention in history class.
Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts
Yep, very high Con. maybe even immune to poison. When he was assassinated he was poisoned, shot, stabbed, and he was still walking away before they strangled him and through him in the river at which point he finally died by drowning.
And somehow made it to the world of Golarion... :p
I'd say Oracle.
Seconded. Or possibly Bard/Demagogue.
So I've been thinking about it, and I'm going to be disappointed if Rasputin doesn't have Diehard, now.
EDIT: Unrelated, but has anyone seen the animated Anistasia movie?
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Yep, very high Con. maybe even immune to poison. When he was assassinated he was poisoned, shot, stabbed, and he was still walking away before they strangled him and through him in the river at which point he finally died by drowning.
While I have nothing to say or comment on regarding the bigger picture...
The autopsy on Rasputin actually revealed he did NOT die of drowning.
He died of hypothermia!
And a lich witch at that. He really didn't take very good care of his phylactery, though.
Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts
Yep, very high Con. maybe even immune to poison. When he was assassinated he was poisoned, shot, stabbed, and he was still walking away before they strangled him and through him in the river at which point he finally died by drowning.While I have nothing to say or comment on regarding the bigger picture...
The autopsy on Rasputin actually revealed he did NOT die of drowning.
He died of hypothermia!
No matter how good your saves are, eventually you're gonna roll a 1.
Took a damn long time for him to get that far though!
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So Rasputin was in a box in the river and full of poison, bullets, and knife-gougings when he died of hypothermia.
He better have Diehard.
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Abandoned Arts
So it appears I was wrong in fact he was poisoned and shot in the chest, he walked off and was shot in the head 3 times, he was still alive so he was clubbed into unconscious had his penis cut off tied up in a rug and thrown in the river. Where he woke up and got free of his bindings but then finally drowned.
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The autopsy on Rasputin actually revealed he did NOT die of drowning.
He died of hypothermia!
And that, boys and girls, is why you should always wear your hat and mittens*.
*Not guaranteed against other forms of assassination.
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Plus, after all that, he was buried, then later dug up and cremated (set on fire), however the folks burning him (not trained cremators) didn't bother to cut his tendons, and so while he was burning he "sat up" as the tendons contracted/cooked.
Good times!
Where he woke up and got free of his bindings but then finally froze to death.
Corrected, note JJ's post above. Drowning wasn't the final declaration of the cause of death (though it was an early hypothesis that was accepted for quite some time), hypothermia was.
Am I missing something? Where does this "Rasputin must die AP" come from all of a sudden?