If poster RL appearance = avatar, then Wraithsrike = OH GOD
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If poster RL appearance = avatar, then Wraithsrike = OH GOD
*falls over laughing* I love you guys. XD
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If poster RL appearance = avatar, then Wraithsrike = OH GOD
There is now milk on my screen :(
Other than needing a bit more wavy, perpetually wind-blown hair, yea.
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I'd rather see AMiB spend some time on more intellectual problems than picking apart Ciretose, since it would be more fun to read.That takes more effort, would require that I was spending more time RPGing in order to be thinking about RPGs in the first place (down to one ailing game lately, sadface), and can't be done from my phone. One- or two-liners doesn't in any way exclude longer posts; I just haven't had the energy, opportunity, or motivation to write essays lately.
Also, I don't have any sort of grudge against ciretose or anything, I just happened upon him making bad posts that needed calling out twice in quick succession. I'm not sitting in my lair, scheming about how I'll make ciretose pay for his transgressions.
Were I filled with an inflated sense of self importance I might accuse you of stalking me across multiple forums, sir :)
AMiB takes an approach very similar to mine in calling out BS. We generally agree on what we define as BS, here we do not.
These things happen.
People on message boards post disagreement with what other people post on message boards. The horror...
"Do you thumb your nose at me, sir!?!"
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"Do you thumb your nose at me, sir!?!"
All thirteen of them!
<Looks closer>
Dude, you got...some...peapods on your face...
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Which ones, my subdermal scent-orifices or my dimensionally-transient supplementary oracular orbs?
*undulates*
<points>
Those...
Ashiel likes non-evil undead and monks so she's cool.
Multiple thread-spanning poster-on-poster grudges are lame.
Now I'm even more curious about whatever the hell has Deathquaker's avatar character looking so pissed off all the time.
If poster RL appearance = avatar, then Wraithsrike = OH GOD
I think you're cool too Mikaze. ^.^
Ah, my quadricircumvirulent manibular consumption crevices!
*CHOMP!*
Were I filled with an inflated sense of self importance I might accuse you of stalking me across multiple forums, sir :)
AMiB takes an approach very similar to mine in calling out BS. We generally agree on what we define as BS, here we do not.
People on message boards post disagreement with what other people post on message boards. The horror...
I think the thing that creates the appearance is how you seem to follow that one person around and add little to a thread topic other than misrepresenting, misquoting, or otherwise attempting to disparage that one person's comments on the thread rather than adding anything of merit; and try to drudge up disagreements on past unrelated comments.
If I was to compare it to something else that appears similar to me that I've seen in my life, I would liken it to someone of a different religion than someone else, who jumps into most any topic that the other person is in, and says "don't listen to that person, because they said *insert religious document* is wrong; believes that cannibalism should be supported; and destroy the sanctity of marriage; thus disqualifying them from discussing the topic of whether we should have income taxes"; when in reality the person actually said something more like "All people are equally entitled to their beliefs and there is no evidence that one source is more true than the other; there have been cultures that have cannibalism as a sacred funeral rite and if you're not murdering people then there's no clear moral dilemma; I don't think we Christians should have a say in who marries who because we didn't invent marriage". It both seems entirely irrelevant to the discussion and just serves to make people angry, and if it was spoken of in the original context would seem a lot less volatile.
I'm not trying to say that anything we ever talk about is so critical, but that is what it reminds me of. It also makes me feel a need to go back and find the posts that you reference and quote them in context or clarify in defense, which detracts from the current thread and may create a derailment. For example, you said some very negative things towards that one poster concerning simulacrums and efreeti; ignoring the fact that that one poster acknowledged that certain things aren't a problem in certain games, but that it could be problematic and suggested an alternative (and hopefully clearer and less abuseable) revision for dealing with those problems. It's not that you haven't be corrected, or clarifications made (because such things have been done in the past and yet again). So it seems like you're just trying to be inflammatory and beget conflict.
I'm going to try to speak no more of it right now though. Someone sent me a PM alerting me to this thread, and I have to say it makes me very happy. It means a lot to me. Everyone here who has shared their thoughts here in this thread (for good or ill) has my thanks this day (including you, Ciretose). I didn't expect this, and it has really brought a smile to me.
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They kind of frown on that in the army.
Stupid rules lawyers shoving their way of playing the game down others' throats.
Well I'm glad you didn't have a problem with the thread Ashiel, Deathquaker made the point that some people would be uncomfortable with it, and she's right, some people would. So I'm glad you are ok with it and took it the way it was intended.
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Yeah something I'll have to get use to: 7 days until basic!
Back to something tangent to the actual topic though. I can understand why Paizo wouldn't be so keen on this idea. After all how would you like it if someone came up to you and said, "Hey you don't know the rules for the system that you developed as well as these people, why don't you let them handle that part for you?"
I would bristle at that myself I know. I realize what the community is trying to say is, "Hey look you are busy putting out awesome stuff and don't have time to deal with the inanity of people wanting rule clarifications -- why don't you have these guys that have their heads on straight handle that part and help with parsing the language that goes into the books."
But even then I could understand why someone wouldn't want to give up that control on their project, nay their baby.
This poster has the best mind for mechanics I have seen. Let's get him/her? into some official position! Something like Monte Cook has done for Pathfinder and DnDNext.
Who agrees?
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Who is Ashiel?
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Now I'm even more curious about whatever the hell has Deathquaker's avatar character looking so pissed off all the time.
I think anyone forced to wear that hideous polka dot blouse would look pissed off.
If poster RL appearance = avatar, then Wraithsrike = OH GOD
It amazes me how well he can type, though.
This poster has the best mind for mechanics I have seen. Let's get him/her? into some official position! Something like Monte Cook has done for Pathfinder and DnDNext.
Who agrees?
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Who is Ashiel?
They kind of frown on that in the army.
Pfft #2 cuts are only for basic... I roll with an outrageous #3 now.
Now I'm even more curious about whatever the hell has Deathquaker's avatar character looking so pissed off all the time.I think anyone forced to wear that hideous polka dot blouse would look pissed off.
If poster RL appearance = avatar, then Wraithsrike = OH GODIt amazes me how well he can type, though.
He probably uses telekinesis to hit the keys, if not directly tapping into the wifi signals via is mind itself. I wouldn't put it bast him.
So if Ashiel is the new diety, can we make Wraithstrike the new Arch Devil/Demon Lord?
This poster has the best mind for mechanics I have seen. Let's get him/her? into some official position! Something like Monte Cook has done for Pathfinder and DnDNext.
Who agrees?
.
Who is Ashiel?
Fairly opinionated poster who appears to be a novelist, judging by average post length.
@Abraham Spalding
Back in April WotC recruited Zack Smith from dndwithpornstars as a rules consultant for dnd next. He says they just send him emails "we are thinking of doing it this way, what do you think? How would you do it if it were up to you?".
It's not that they need him because they don't know the rules for a system they developed, I think it's more that he thinks outside the box, he has fresh ideas, and he has a finger on the pulse of a subset of gamers.
You hit it on the head when you talked about playing with the rules.
You wouldn't bristle at that would you? You're not giving up any control on your baby, you're just sharing ideas. Giving your baby a cool aunt or uncle to play with.
I stick with #1 because I can go two weeks between cuts that way. Saves me 50% on the barber every year.
Yeah if stuck doing time out in the dirt it behooves one to consider rolling with the #1, it also acts as natures velcro in holding on your hat.
They kind of frown on that in the army.Stupid rules lawyers shoving their way of playing the game down others' throats.
Now that was funny.
Also why is everyone so interested in whether Ashiel is a guy or a girl I wonder? I find that very interesting. I actually spoke with Ashiel and we both laughed when I thought back and said that I had predicted this very thing would happen a while back. May the guessing continue.
Also while I think that Ashiel would love to work with Paizo it isn't necessary for success in the RPG business. Ashiel has independently put out material before, and could continue to do so. If you would like to support Ash's line of reasoning look for Alvena Publishing online and see if you like something. I think Ash even has something in the Paizo store. Just thought that I would add that.
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Yeah something I'll have to get use to: 7 days until basic!
Back to something tangent to the actual topic though. I can understand why Paizo wouldn't be so keen on this idea. After all how would you like it if someone came up to you and said, "Hey you don't know the rules for the system that you developed as well as these people, why don't you let them handle that part for you?"
I would bristle at that myself I know. I realize what the community is trying to say is, "Hey look you are busy putting out awesome stuff and don't have time to deal with the inanity of people wanting rule clarifications -- why don't you have these guys that have their heads on straight handle that part and help with parsing the language that goes into the books."
But even then I could understand why someone wouldn't want to give up that control on their project, nay their baby.
I can understand that all to well. I do a lot of homebrew design for my group and as favors to other people, and at least initially there is a lot of hesitance to let certain things go or be changed. That being said, I have frequently subjected my own material for critiques and looked for ways to clean up the wording, or clarify things that aren't very clear. Also changed them as people needed it. I've tweaked a few projects as they have been ongoing and released errata for things that were initially unnoticed. Over time, it leads to a better understanding of the system.
Perhaps of interest to no one, but I've had people on some OpenRPG communities seek my assistance balancing a class, or mechanizing concepts, or to help figure out problem spots in rules, or foresee ripple effects when adding new content. I've helped compare classes, races, and deal with problems with with new content. I've been asked specifically by some to create a class for them. I wrote an alternate gunslinger on a lark to demonstrate some of the criticisms with the PF Gunslinger (and have slowly updated in my free time) which has gotten pretty stellar reviews from folks who've told me they've played with it. But I'm sure you're wondering what's the point of this little show & tell?
Well, I suppose the point is that you could do such things too. Remember that every designer is just a gamer at heart. Nobody just gets up one day and decides they're going to write good material. It takes time, and it takes effort, and it takes listening to your customers and it takes some experimentation. Paizo for one has an incredibly valuable resource in the form of their forums alone. Sometimes they choose to go with something that some people would consider bad (Ciretose considers gnabbing wishes from Efreeti easily to be bad, but it was brought up during the pre-PF playtests and wasn't changed; while I considered the PF gunslinger to be pretty terrible, but it's mostly unchanged from the version I originally reviewed during the UC playtests), but they probably do for a reason (sometimes we can't see what that reason is, and even if we do we may not agree).
But be open to advice. If someone has a concern over something you write, listen. Remember that Rome wasn't built in a day. Remember that we can all be wrong no matter who we are, and even the most clueless of us can have a good idea. I for one will continue to try and contribute to the community in the best ways I know how, and hope that my contributions lead to greater contributions down the road. Even if I never make it into working RPGs professionally, if anything I write, or say, or do, improves someone's game, their history, their stories, then I am content. Even if I never make a dime off my work (and I'd like to, believe me), I'm happy enough knowing that Grimmy's friends will remember those kobolds and tell their friends about it, and Lemmy's Paladin will be remembered, and tell their stories to their friends and their kids, who may become the next generation of gamers, then that will be my legacy and it would be a legacy that I would be proud of.
They kind of frown on that in the army.Stupid rules lawyers shoving their way of playing the game down others' throats.Now that was funny.
Also why is everyone so interested in whether Ashiel is a guy or a girl I wonder? I find that very interesting. I actually spoke with Ashiel and we both laughed when I thought back and said that I had predicted this very thing would happen a while back. May the guessing continue.
Also while I think that Ashiel would love to work with Paizo it isn't necessary for success in the RPG business. Ashiel has independently put out material before, and could continue to do so. If you would like to support Ash's line of reasoning look for Alvena Publishing online and see if you like something. I think Ash even has something in the Paizo store. Just thought that I would add that.
Thanks Arcane, that means a lot to me. I've been meaning to put some more stuff up there, but I've been so busy with life. I absolutely suck at making good looking digital maps though, so I'll probably avoid writing any more adventures for a while. I was pretty happy with the reviews (one really great review, and one really terrible review) because it was my first foray in that direction and it really gave me some good feedback and things to think about.
I've been putting more time into working on my campaign setting (TriOmegaZero said he'd be interested in seeing it when it was done). I'm probably going to try and release it as mini-books on the Paizo store as I get them complete, with a free to download primer. We'll see how it goes. I also have a mind to work on some prestige classes since the prestige class scene is pretty small in Pathfinder at the moment (but Paizo is going to release a big prestige class book, so I might put this one off a bit).
I've also been planning to place the Gunslinger on the Paizo store as a free download, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
@Arcane: It is very interesting, Abraham Spalding hinted that it was a little social experiment, I think.
A female Ashiel might be threatening to someone who wants that kind of system mastery to remain a boys club. For someone else a female Ashiel might be an ultimate Nerd Fantasy. What does it say about you if you assume Ashiel must be male? If you would be freaked out to learn Ashiel is male? And so on.
Why can't someone just let the ideas speak for themselves? Wouldn't the Internet be one of the few scenarios where that's possible? Apparently if you have something noteworthy to say, people want to know.
Like you said, let the guessing continue. Or maybe better yet, let it stop.
@Arcane: It is very interesting, Abraham Spalding hinted that it was a little social experiment, I think.
A female Ashiel might be threatening to someone who wants that kind of system mastery to remain a boys club. For someone else a female Ashiel might be an ultimate Nerd Fantasy. What does it say about you if you assume Ashiel must be male? If you would be freaked out to learn Ashiel is male? And so on.
Why can't someone just let the ideas speak for themselves? Wouldn't the Internet be one of the few scenarios where that's possible? Apparently if you have something noteworthy to say, people want to know.
Like you said, let the guessing continue. Or maybe better yet, let it stop.
A good mind you have beneath those bunny ears, my friend. :)
EDIT: Incidentally, one of my girlfriends is crazy at optimizing stuff. Generally if she's available, I'll let her try to break my stuff. "Have fun with this, and break the hell out of it, so that I can fix it" is basically the sort of thing I've called on her for a few times. She made a 3.5 truenamer look pretty scary before, and did some very bad things with the Incarnum system concerning necrocarnates and such. She makes a good acid test, when she's not busy with other stuff.
Well it's clear Ash is the ultimate nerd fantasy to at least one poster :p
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I've also been planning to place the Gunslinger on the Paizo store as a free download.Sell it. Seriously. Not everyone who uses the store reads these forums, and you'd be amazed how even a little trickle of money encourages you to do more writing.
Agreed. I need to find some time to put together something and publish it.
Ashiel you talked about prestige classes just a couple of minutes ago, and that has me wondering something.
Should we (we being the interested parties in Ashiel's work and most likely to use/buy them) begin a thread specifically for the purposes of listing what sort of things we would want from these new prestige classes?
Not only suggestions mind you but with some of the minds that we have around here we could run into original ideas for something that hasn't been done before, or perhaps a better way to achieve something that already exists.
Either way we're sure to get great material.
I'm thinking Ashiel needs a podcast, or something similar :P
I've also been planning to place the Gunslinger on the Paizo store as a free download.Sell it. Seriously. Not everyone who uses the store reads these forums, and you'd be amazed how even a little trickle of money encourages you to do more writing.
Well I have had it available for free download for a long time, but I've slowly been adding more content to it. I figured since I had it available for free for so long, it might not be fair to just begin selling it; but what do you think? You're not the first person to tell me that I should put it on the Paizo store for actual money (and with multiple people saying so, mayhaps I should put more consideration in that direction, hm?).
Would anyone consider it worth buying though, I wonder. Anyway, I'm working on the campaign setting stuff right now, so maybe we'll see something new on the Alvena page in the coming months. I want to release the campaign setting in the following format:
Setting Primer (free to download overview of the world, history timeline, and race information). Then a series that showcases a region or country in the world, noteable NPCs, religion, and other things of that specific location. In essence, instead of paying $30-40 for a setting, you'd get the primer for free and then a mini-setting for like $1-2 each, so you could collect the whole setting in a series of little books that exhibits the setting in micro-details.
Thoughts?
Well really I would love to see this. It's a very new sort of idea, at least from what I have seen through the years from various rpg publishers. And cheaper does sound better to my poor broken piggy bank.
Ashiel you talked about prestige classes just a couple of minutes ago, and that has me wondering something.
Should we (we being the interested parties in Ashiel's work and most likely to use/buy them) begin a thread specifically for the purposes of listing what sort of things we would want from these new prestige classes?
Not only suggestions mind you but with some of the minds that we have around here we could run into original ideas for something that hasn't been done before, or perhaps a better way to achieve something that already exists.
Either way we're sure to get great material.
Hm, well that would be pretty cool. I'm always open to ideas. Though I haven't officially began work on any prestige classes, perhaps if there is enough interest in me working on some projects, I could get feedback on which projects people are interested in?
I'm always interested in new and interesting campaign settings material.
Rehashes of already published classes, not so much.
Well I have had it available for free download for a long time, but I've slowly been adding more content to it. I figured since I had it available for free for so long, it might not be fair to just begin selling it; but what do you think?You're asking this on the website of a company that publishes their entire ruleset on the internet for free despite also selling it, and whose entire business model can only exist because one of their competitors did the same. In fact, one of their major marketing gimmicks is giving away large chunks of their rules for players to look at, months before a book goes up for sale.
Point taken. :P
Well really I would love to see this. It's a very new sort of idea, at least from what I have seen through the years from various rpg publishers. And cheaper does sound better to my poor broken piggy bank.
Well that's kind of the idea. Money is tight these days, and I'd like to give value and ease of deliver to my friendly fellow gamers. I'm not Electronic Arts or anything (okay, that was a low blow, but it made me feel better). :P
I'll begin trying to work on that project primarily, and see if I can get the first in the series up on the site in the next few months.
good stuffs
I often do and have recieved similar. I used to spend a large amount of time at a forum called Barrok's Tower where I had a huge amount of stuff up -- however with my upcoming basic training and what not I don't have as much time as before, and most of that is sitting in mothball for later.
Fairly opinionated poster who appears to be a novelist, judging by average post length.
There are unopinionated posters on here?
Director of Sales
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There are unopinionated posters on here?
Fairly opinionated poster who appears to be a novelist, judging by average post length.
Hi!
Also...
In fact, one of their major marketing gimmicks is giving away large chunks of their rules for players to look at, months before a book goes up for sale.
I wouldn't really call that a gimmick, per se...