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the spell bladed dash says this...
When you cast this spell, you immediately move up to 30 feet in a straight line any direction, momentarily leaving a multi-hued cascade of images behind you. This movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity. You may make a single melee attack at your highest base attack bonus against any one creature you are adjacent to at any point along this 30 feet. You gain a circumstance bonus on your attack roll equal to your Intelligence or Charisma modifier, whichever is higher. You must end the bonus movement granted by this spell in an unoccupied square. If no such space is available along the trajectory, the spell fails. Despite the name, the spell works with any melee weapon.
now, is this 'movement' just regular movement? is it hindered by terrain? what if you want to bladed dash over a table, or a pit, or something of that nature? do you make a acrobatics check? can you bladed dash through friendlies or enemies? it doesnt really say, so i'm looking for opinions or experiences with this spell.
I'd say no checks required, you can traverse any terrain, even chasms but not walls. But that's just my interpretation.
The spell doesn't have the 'Teleportation' keyword, so I would rule it as normal movement that doesn't provoke opportunity attacks, but is subject to difficult terrain. It is essentially a charge attack.
It's normal movement, difficult terrain still applies. You just get to ignore AoOs.
Ifit was like normal movement, does that mean someone encumbered or a small character gets extra movement?
I'm in the no Terrain penalty camp ... it is magic after all.
You guys are missing the big deal about this spell. It specifically says any direction.
Charge 30 feet straight up and stab the dragon in the belly.How would you terrain difficulty people rule on that?
In a similar vein, I was considering the idea of BDing up a cliff (you can do a 45 degree angle for 20' up/over) You could use this to charge embankments of archers.
I don't think it means air, as it mentions nothing about granting movement modes. When it says "any" direction it means in 2 dimensions.
If you want an aerial application, use force hook charge instead. (which is neither conjuration nor transmutation. It is evocation :P)
I re-read the spell description and it doesn't define any type of movement, size or encumberance limitations nor does it mention Terrain or obsticles.
From the descriptionit seems that size, encumberance, movement type, and Terrain have no bearing so any straight line ending in an unoccupied space seems ok including straight up (thoughyou would fall once movement was resolved in air.) It would even seem you can move through an occuppied square.
The spell is basically the Johnny Cage's shadow kick
From the description it seems that size, encumberance, movement type, and Terrain have no bearing so any straight line ending in an unoccupied space seems ok including straight up (thoughyou would fall once movement was resolved in air.) It would even seem you can move through an occuppied square.
This is how I read it, too.
Example: You have a river that's 20ft wide, you are at one side of the river, the opposite side is unoccupied and in the middle of the river there is some monster.
As I read it you could use the spell to get to the other side and smack the monster when you pass it.
There are two things stated, that have to apply: The movement has to be a straight line and the square you want to end yor movement in must be unoccupied. Both is true in the river example.
It doesn't detail the movement, becuase it doesn't have to. Movement is inferred as being "normal" movement. If you make exceptions to normal movement - THAT is when you spell it out.
It's really very simple - if there are specifics in the spell, that make you do somthing else than what is written - then the specifics are spelled out. If they are not - then what is written, is what you get. E.g. a normal move of 30 feet.
Since its a transmutation spell ...
Transmutation
Transmutation spells change the properties of some creature, thing, or condition.
I can infer that the magic spell is changing the property of movement conditions allowing you to immediately move 30 feet in any direction. They don't have to specifically write that in the spell because its inferred as Transmutation Magic.
magic is not normal ... if it was it wouldn't be magic.
Which school is Bladed Dash? Transmutation. Which school are teleporty thingies? Conjuration (teleportation). There, problem solved.
While true, this breaks with typical teleporty things as it requires a line of effect.
Well, firstly, this spell does NOT require line of effect.
Secondly, "move" either refers to "movement" as defined in the CRB, or it's simply descriptive of how the spell works.
That means this movement either follows ALL of the movement rules, or NONE.
If this spell is not referring to the movement rules, then you could move up to 30' anywhere. Though creatures, through walls, through the air, or even straight down into the Earth.
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Another question, raised during GenCon: does Bladed Dash use up your move action? i.e.: Can my Magus spell combat, Bladed dash into striking range and then get his second attack or does the spell cast as a standard action and then eat up your move action as well, making a full-round action (spell combat) a no-go?
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Bardez, The casting time of Bladed Dash is Standard, not full round or 1 round. So it 'uses' your standard action... or in your case, your off-hand spell casting which can be made first in spell combat thus allowing you to close in for the full attack with but a 2nd level spell.
Go crazy my friend.
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Well, firstly, this spell does NOT require line of effect.
Secondly, "move" either refers to "movement" as defined in the CRB, or it's simply descriptive of how the spell works.
That means this movement either follows ALL of the movement rules, or NONE.
If this spell is not referring to the movement rules, then you could move up to 30' anywhere. Though creatures, through walls, through the air, or even straight down into the Earth.
Hmmm very true. It does not say it follows the movement rules, it just says you 'move'. It doesnt even say you actually physically move, just that you leave a cascade of images in your place. I'm still of the mind that you can just move in any direction.
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Bardez, The casting time of Bladed Dash is Standard, not full round or 1 round. So it 'uses' your standard action... or in your case, your off-hand spell casting which can be made first in spell combat thus allowing you to close in for the full attack with but a 2nd level spell.
Go crazy my friend.
That was my interpretation, but the GM was saying that it also used my movement, so spell combat was negated. I wanted a sanity check there.
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That was my interpretation, but the GM was saying that it also used my movement, so spell combat was negated. I wanted a sanity check there.Bardez, The casting time of Bladed Dash is Standard, not full round or 1 round. So it 'uses' your standard action... or in your case, your off-hand spell casting which can be made first in spell combat thus allowing you to close in for the full attack with but a 2nd level spell.
Go crazy my friend.
James Jacobs would be the final arbiter, but the spell was conceived to allow you to have the movement you travel with the spell be PART of the standard action of casting it. Thus, you could use your move action to get into position to line up a target or targets in the case of greater bladed dash, or as Bardez noted, it allows you to cast the spell as part of spell combat, move to your target and attack them and still leave the magus with the rest of his or her full attack.
Cheers and hope that helps.-JB