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Dallas, TX, (June 7th 2012) – FROG GOD GAMES, the makers of roleplaying games and books, today announced that they are acquiring Necromancer Games, the award-winning publishing house known for Necropolis, Rappan Athuk, City of Brass, Tomb of Abysthor, Crucible of Freya, Tome of Horrors, and many other famous titles

Wow!

They will provide updates of their old products to boot.

The Exchange

And the circle is complete. All hail mighty Orcus.

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Nice!!!!!!!!!

Link to press release

Scarab Sages

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SWEET!!
Although reading the press release, I guess FGG didn't have access to the old modules. I always thought they did for some reason. Now I guess its official. No matter, the fans win!!

Shadow Lodge

d20pfsrd.com wrote:
And the circle is complete. All hail mighty Orcus.

It would seem that, in the end, Tsathoggua has proved mightier.

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I really have to say, despite the onrush of requests for updated versions of [insert Necromancer Games product here] that I'm sure this announcement is sure to fuel, I do hope that FGG keeps their emphasis on NEW products, and does updates to old NG stuff sparingly. What'd I'd really like to see more than updated versions of NG products is the expansion of the shared setting, into a full campaign setting (something that seems very likely based on previous comments, and may be one of the main factors behind the aquisition).

Maybe I'm just spoiled by the fact that the one NG product I really wanted to see done for S&W is currently being written...along with a massive quantity of bonus swag.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

Cool.

Sovereign Court Contributor

WOOOT!!!

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Kthulhu wrote:
d20pfsrd.com wrote:
And the circle is complete. All hail mighty Orcus.
It would seem that, in the end, Tsathoggua has proved mightier.

err yeah. That's what I *meant* :)

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Kthulhu wrote:
What'd I'd really like to see more than updated versions of NG products is the expansion of the shared setting, into a full campaign setting (something that seems very likely based on previous comments, and may be one of the main factors behind the aquisition).

As someone who didn't find out about NG until late in the 3.5 cycle (I was insulated by a homebrew GM and limited game time), this sounds awesome.

Liberty's Edge

Very cool - congrats!


Congrats!


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On the one hand I'm stoked, on the other I'll hope FGG will focus on original modules and not get lost in revamps of modules I already own. That being said - sequels to the classics of old and some selected MASSIVE revisions like RA would be AWESOME!

:D

Grand Lodge

This is awesome news for fans of the NG products!

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I really really really REALLY want that big bad boxed set of City of Brass updated to Pathfinder. Especially since Paizo was cool enough to make it semi-canon in Golarion.

Liberty's Edge

Me too. That's the one I want most, since I never quite managed to get a 3.5 copy. That said, I'm excited for the rest as well!


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Excellent news! Everything is proceeding as it should.


I 'third' the City of Brass update for Pathfinder.

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Fourthed.

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Stark Enterprises VP wrote:
Me too. That's the one I want most, since I never quite managed to get a 3.5 copy. That said, I'm excited for the rest as well!

If you want a 3.5 copy, we have some in stock...

That being said, I'm glad this news finally hit the streets. :D


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Gorbacz wrote:
I really really really REALLY want that big bad boxed set of City of Brass updated to Pathfinder. Especially since Paizo was cool enough to make it semi-canon in Golarion.

Gorbacz, I'm totally with you on this. CoB might be the single best high level gaming mini campaign that I own, with the possible exception of the 1st edition Queen of the Spiders mega adventure. Here's my only hesitation about getting CoB updated to PF too quickly: I think that Paizo is gonna do level 21+ gaming rules soon, and I'd really rather see the Sultan of the Efreet done right in all his CR 35 glory. So, if I have to wait a little longer on CoB to get converted, I'm ok with that.

Personally, I would like to see FGG/NG be 75% new material/25% older adventures update per year for the next couple of years. This allows for the great new material that I know FGG is gonna produce while also leaving some bandwidth for classics like Lost City of Barakus, Bard's Gate, Tomb of Abysthor (which I think should get bundled with an update to Crucible of Freya), Vault of Larin Karr, and Trouble at Durbenford to get the most current Pathfinder shine, not to mention I'd love to have the Hero Lab files and d20Pro maps for those older adventures.

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I am so glad that this cat is out of the bag! Bill told me about this weeks and weeks ago and I have had to keep it secret. Now I can just add my fangirl excitement about seeing some of that classic Necromancer games IP coming out in Frog God products. Life is good! :)

-Lisa

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Great news! I loved the Necromancer adventures. I'm quickly becoming a Frog God fan, as well.


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Dr. Johnny Fever wrote:
Here's my only hesitation about getting CoB updated to PF too quickly: I think that Paizo is gonna do level 21+ gaming rules soon, and I'd really rather see the Sultan of the Efreet done right in all his CR 35 glory.

I hope you're right, Dr. Fever, but I don't think you are. I doubt we'll see epic/mythic-level Pathfinder material from Paizo in the next two years - likewise, when they do that, it's almost certainly going to be the subject of a lengthy playtest anyway, so the final rules won't be coming soon.

That said, I think the Frog God guys can make a pretty decent CR 35 villain - just look at the Tome of Horrors Complete.


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One question for any of the Frog God guys who are reading this thread: what does this actually mean for your company?

I ask because the prevailing sentiment here seems to be "yay! Now FGG can update/utilize old NG materials!" This seems odd, however, since Frog God Games has already been doing just that - from the ToHC to Slumbering Tsar to the Rappan Athuk kickstarter, these are all materials that Necromancer Games had released previously.

In other words, it seems like you guys were already able to update and reissue old NG materials. So what does this acquisition really mean for your company?


Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

...one other question: does this business arrangement permit Pathfinder updates to Judges Guild material published by Necromancer Games? I'd pretty much cry with joy for Pathfinder versions of Lost Caverns of Thracia and City-State of the Invincible Overlord.

@ Alzrius: I guess I should have qualified my 'soon' statement concerning my gut feeling about level 21+ rules from Paizo. I think you are right in that we won't see any news at this GenCon (2012) but I could see its announcement at a 2013 GenCon. And I hope and pray that you are correct about there being a lengthy play test for the rules. Given the bad taste that most people had in their mouth after the WotC 3.5 Epic Level Handbook, Paizo is only gonna get one chance to get level 21+ gaming rules right. But, given their track record so far, I got a lotta faith in 'em.

Paizo Employee CEO

Dr. Johnny Fever wrote:
...one other question: does this business arrangement permit Pathfinder updates to Judges Guild material published by Necromancer Games? I'd pretty much cry with joy for Pathfinder versions of Lost Caverns of Thracia and City-State of the Invincible Overlord.

While not an official answer, my understanding from talking to both Bill and Clark over the years is that, no, the Judge's Guild stuff that was produced by Necromancer is no longer available as the license has ceased.

-Lisa

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Yeah i agree with some on here. It is cool but I would rather see more new stuff. maybe a 1 in 4 of updating some of the classic old stuff would be a nice ratio.


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Lisa Stevens wrote:
Dr. Johnny Fever wrote:
...one other question: does this business arrangement permit Pathfinder updates to Judges Guild material published by Necromancer Games? I'd pretty much cry with joy for Pathfinder versions of Lost Caverns of Thracia and City-State of the Invincible Overlord.

While not an official answer, my understanding from talking to both Bill and Clark over the years is that, no, the Judge's Guild stuff that was produced by Necromancer is no longer available as the license has ceased.

-Lisa

Thanks for the reply Lisa, even if the answer does make me a little sad. I'm gonna have to start begging Daemonslye for one of his uber conversions ;)

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Since I 'lost' most of my NG stuff, I'd love to see some of the old favourites back.

(psst, Lisa, Mike, Mark, get them to make The Wizard's Amulet a PFS scenario) ;-)

Also congrats for the Sword and Wizardry players, since you're likely to get some of the stuff updated as well.


Matthew Morris wrote:


Also congrats for the Sword and Wizardry players, since you're likely to get some of the stuff updated as well.

Yep. I've already got an ever expanding pathfinder collection. Soon S&W can move from the "other games" shelf and get its own. :)

Dark Archive

Vault of Larin Karr has been the foundation for my first d20 sandbox-style campaign.
Very fond memories of it.

Also, Trouble at Durbenford is awesomely good.

Liberty's Edge

Morrick Mansion's the core of my current ongoing campaign. :) Good stuff. As for that City of Brass boxed set... how's that for service? I'll be picking that up when I can make the shekels line up the way that I need to and buy the new awesomeness.

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Plenty of new stuff, selective release of updated stuff, lots of building on existing IP, campaign setting is yes, we could previously do some NG with limitations, now the gloves are off. Whew I think that hits the highlights. :-)

Liberty's Edge

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Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
campaign setting is yes

This I can't wait for! Hopefully We will see it in about a years time.


Does this mean Wilderlands (WoHF) could get a Pathfinder update?


Twin Dragons wrote:
Does this mean Wilderlands (WoHF) could get a Pathfinder update?

Wilderlands is Judges Guild - so probably not.


Will this effect the release of rappan athuk via kick starter at all?


No one's mentioned the SurveyMonkey, ah, survey. I was happy to fill it out, but the section that listed all the old products that might be updated to PF and asked you to rate them (scale of 1-5 basically) only allowed...how do I explain this...one product to be checked for each of the 5 scales.

Like, say there were 20 products listed, I could only pick 5 of them, and all 5 had to be separate choices (from "Do this one first" to "Never" being the range, I think).

The point is, there were tons more I wanted to "rate"!

Dark Archive

Huh. Interesting but not surprising.

The acquisition has me wondering. I remember NG trying to develop a retro version of 4e a whiles back. It failed miserably, but I wonder if FGG would consider resurrecting it. I'm guessing no, but still have to ask.

Scarab Sages

joela wrote:

Huh. Interesting but not surprising.

The acquisition has me wondering. I remember NG trying to develop a retro version of 4e a whiles back. It failed miserably, but I wonder if FGG would consider resurrecting it. I'm guessing no, but still have to ask.

Clark was the one interested in exploring a "4e Classic" at the time. Bill and Matt are focused on Swords & Wizardry, and Greg and company are into Pathfinder side of things. I'd think there was no chance of 4e support from NecroFrog.

Dark Archive

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BenS wrote:

No one's mentioned the SurveyMonkey, ah, survey. I was happy to fill it out, but the section that listed all the old products that might be updated to PF and asked you to rate them (scale of 1-5 basically) only allowed...how do I explain this...one product to be checked for each of the 5 scales.

Like, say there were 20 products listed, I could only pick 5 of them, and all 5 had to be separate choices (from "Do this one first" to "Never" being the range, I think).

The point is, there were tons more I wanted to "rate"!

Yeah I sent Bill a email about the problems with the survey and hopefully they can fix it and send out a new one.


joela wrote:

Huh. Interesting but not surprising.

The acquisition has me wondering. I remember NG trying to develop a retro version of 4e a whiles back. It failed miserably, but I wonder if FGG would consider resurrecting it. I'm guessing no, but still have to ask.

Since 4E is on its way out and the GSL is what it is, I'm thinking...no.

Dark Archive

In a word: Awesome!

Scarab Sages

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I recently sat and talked to Bill for a couple of hours and after that conversation I am sure that he will not be doing anything for 4e. It is just not a match for his style of writing. We will continue to see Pathfinder and Swords and Wizardry products from FGG.


Shem wrote:
I recently sat and talked to Bill for a couple of hours and after that conversation I am sure that he will not be doing anything for 4e. It is just not a match for his style of writing. We will continue to see Pathfinder and Swords and Wizardry products from FGG.

Good. I'm not sure launching your new venture with support for a system that's being wheeled into the cemetery is a wise business model. Vacillating over 'to support / not to support' 4e was one of the things that pulled Necro down in the first place. Let's not go there again. Pathfinder and S&W are the future.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I really wished Clark wouldn't pour so much time and energy into making his "support the current official version of D&D" idea work, but I'm glad that Necro IP is in good hands and in the right direction after all.


Gorbacz wrote:
I really wished Clark wouldn't pour so much time and energy into making his "support the current official version of D&D" idea work, but I'm glad that Necro IP is in good hands and in the right direction after all.

I'm confused. I was under the impression that boat left the harbour years ago. Clark's on board the Pathfinder ship and abandoned the "current D&D" support a very long time ago.

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Anguish wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
I really wished Clark wouldn't pour so much time and energy into making his "support the current official version of D&D" idea work, but I'm glad that Necro IP is in good hands and in the right direction after all.
I'm confused. I was under the impression that boat left the harbour years ago. Clark's on board the Pathfinder ship and abandoned the "current D&D" support a very long time ago.

He did but not with out some regrets.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
BenS wrote:

No one's mentioned the SurveyMonkey, ah, survey. I was happy to fill it out, but the section that listed all the old products that might be updated to PF and asked you to rate them (scale of 1-5 basically) only allowed...how do I explain this...one product to be checked for each of the 5 scales.

Like, say there were 20 products listed, I could only pick 5 of them, and all 5 had to be separate choices (from "Do this one first" to "Never" being the range, I think).

The point is, there were tons more I wanted to "rate"!

Yeah I sent Bill a email about the problems with the survey and hopefully they can fix it and send out a new one.

Who was this survey sent out to? I know I didn't get one... I often seem to miss emails from FGG though.

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