MLP fascination.... explain plox


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Lately, I've seen a bunch of MLP threads; bronies talk, and somebody wanted to make up an outer plane based on equestria.

Okay; I'm not harshing on another's fantasy escape; just curious what it's all about. There's a cartoon or something?


And I don't know if this is a show or movie; all I know is it's some little horses and my daughters comb their manes, and they kinda hurt to step on but not as bad as lego's.

So that being considered, I guess "off topic" is safe.

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Yeah, there is a cartoon by Lauren Faust. If you know who that is, you know why the show is popular.

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This generation of my Little Pony isn't exactly anything like the previous generations. The girls are not only more cartoonishly pleasing artwise, but they're given a lot of personality and witty dialogue too.

It's a cartoon. Youtube MLP: Friendship is Magic.


Right on. Didn't know who she was; however am very familiar with The MojoJojo show: starring the Powerpuff girls.


Now I dig, having looked her up on Wikipedia.

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Lauren Faust + Tara Strong = It's gotta win.


Hannya Shou wrote:

This generation of my Little Pony isn't exactly anything like the previous generations. The girls are not only more cartoonishly pleasing artwise, but they're given a lot of personality and witty dialogue too.

It's a cartoon. Youtube MLP: Friendship is Magic.

off to do that now. So that's what everybody's on about.

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Older Generation Ponies act like children.

Lauren Faust's Ponies act like young women.


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I didn't get it until I sat down and watched the first episode...then the second...then the third...and so on.

The writing is smart, the animation is beautiful, it's not saccharine sweet (like the old series was), and there's some genuine laugh-out-loud moments. It's positively littered with pop culture references (like the bowling scene from The Big Lebowski, and Doctor "Whooves") and has a very nice positive message that's very kid-friendly (and adult-friendly too).

If you have Netflix, the first season of Friendship is Magic is available there also.

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He hasn't replied yet. I think he's on Season 2 by now.


Good to hear... Good to hear...

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Lilith wrote:
I didn't get it until I sat down and watched the first episode...then the second...then the third...and so on.

Pretty much exactly the same.

Hannya Shou wrote:
I think he's on Season 2 by now.

Excellent. Discord makes everything better. Or worse, which in its own way is better.

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Should we tell him about Ponyfinder?


Hannya Shou wrote:

Should we tell him about Ponyfinder?

What's the worst that can happen?

and rule 85

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The reason I love MLP:FIS - the writing is amazing. Each episode has a story with a complete and often relatively complex plot for a 22 minute cartoon. Each of the main six characters is very unique and complex. I don't like all of them, but that in and of itself speaks to the depth of character. The secondary characters are nearly as nuanced. Even the tertiary recurring characters are more than foils.

Overall, MLP is a very solidly crafted cartoon that obviously has a lot of love and care in its design and writing.

Also, it very rarely relies on cartoon tropes (running through one door and out another over and over, that type of thing) and instead fills the time with, you know, character and story.

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C. Nutcase wrote:
Hannya Shou wrote:

Should we tell him about Ponyfinder?

What's the worst that can happen?

and rule 85

I was not aware of Rule 85. Noted.

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"My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" is the latest interpretation of the My Little Pony franchise. It's not really a sequel or otherwise related to the old series, instead it's a reimagining developed for TV by Lauren Faust, the woman behind "Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends" (she also worked on "Powerpuff Girls").

The show is a lot of fun for kids and adults because the art and animation are beautiful, the writing is simplistic enough for a kid to follow but not dumbed-down. There are plenty of great jokes and geekery nods that only adults will appreciate. The music is upbeat and well-produced. And the characters are all fun, rich, and three-dimensional with growth and foibles. Most of the stories are about dealing with your own problems or learning how to grow as a person, or how to help your friends and loved ones without necessarily taking the problem out of their hands.

Overall, it's a very well-made show, and generally makes me happy when I catch an episode.

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Chris Self wrote:
The reason I love MLP:FIS - the writing is amazing. Each episode has a story with a complete and often relatively complex plot for a 22 minute cartoon. Each of the main six characters is very unique and complex. I don't like all of them, but that in and of itself speaks to the depth of character. The secondary characters are nearly as nuanced. Even the tertiary recurring characters are more than foils.

I'll second this. Chris and I have had a very long conversation (argument) about the merits of one specific character whom I love and he hates, and I don't think either of us are entirely wrong.

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I've heard about MLP for most of its existence. Back in 2010 (I think) Aaron Williams linked a short clip on his blog, and I thought it was fairly funny.

Later, as I frequented younger forums of communication, some teens talked about how it was a light of happiness in their s**~ty lives. It is a safe place for some of them, I think.

Anyway, my brother showed me a few episodes, and, while I wasn't hooked, it was not as bad as a lot of other cartoons.

Fluttershy is the best character.

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So, I guess one of the reasons I really love MLP, is that a lot of "made for girls" cartoons are very... shallow. They have usually have one of only a few archetypes and the don't go very far to flesh those out. With MLP, there are six main characters. Some of them have the traditional archetypes, Twilight Sparkle is a bookworm/know-it-all, Rarity is the beauty queen, and Rainbow Dash is the tomboy/sporty girl. But they are more than their archetypes and part of it is they each embody some virtue and usually that virtue plays into their archetype. I think that's a great lesson that's easily ignored. Even more than that though many of the episodes encompass how their archetypes can deal with problems that they are uncomfortable dealing with. Fluttershy, for instance, taking courses to learn to be more assertive and then taking it too far and learning to find balance. That's a good lesson. Also, it takes away a lot of the negatives about the archetypes, like rarity is the beauty queen/fashionista and she isn't shallow and is always trying to improve not only herself but the lives of her friends as well. She is this archetype that is often associated and portrayed poorly and yet her she is, a good pony and a good friend.

Also, there are very few properties that are "for girls" that guys have taken up and said, "You know, it's ok for me to like this, even though it's pink." That's actually kind of rare and I love that we have this intellectual property that is so good that guys can be comfortable embracing the pink side. I think that's great and honestly I'd love to see a little more equality there. I consider MLP a big step in the right direction for tv as far as that goes.

Finally, it's just a well designed series. The animation is simple yet expressive. The ponies are individuals with foibles and virtues. They have conflict, yet often without physical fighting. Some of the episodes are very broad sweeping adventures and some of them are very introspective. The complete series is on netflix. The first two episodes are especially good and I totally suggest you check them out.

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Crystal Frasier wrote:
Chris Self wrote:
The reason I love MLP:FIS - the writing is amazing. Each episode has a story with a complete and often relatively complex plot for a 22 minute cartoon. Each of the main six characters is very unique and complex. I don't like all of them, but that in and of itself speaks to the depth of character. The secondary characters are nearly as nuanced. Even the tertiary recurring characters are more than foils.
I'll second this. Chris and I have had a very long conversation (argument) about the merits of one specific character whom I love and he hates, and I don't think either of us are entirely wrong.

Now I want to know which character you guys converse (argue) about!


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Gark the Goblin wrote:

I've heard about MLP for most of its existence. Back in 2010 (I think) Aaron Williams linked a short clip on his blog, and I thought it was fairly funny.

Later, as I frequented younger forums of communication, some teens talked about how it was a light of happiness in their s#!!ty lives. It is a safe place for some of them, I think.

Anyway, my brother showed me a few episodes, and, while I wasn't hooked, it was not as bad as a lot of other cartoons.

Pinkie Pie is the best character.

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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
Now I want to know which character you guys converse (argue) about!

Rarity. =)

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Fluttershy.

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Chris wins.

Rarity seems (to me) to be likeable when the episode isn't about her, but completely insufferable when it is. It's like the less we see of her, the better of a person she is.

Shadow Lodge

I'm the exact opposite, she's my third favorite after Pinkie and Twilight (depending on which of the three did something interesting/awesome/funny more recently).

Fluttershy is the one I'm rather meh about. AJ and Dash are tied for middle.

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Fluttershy used to be my favorite, but in hindsight I think it was only because her hidden bada**ery made me feel more secure about liking the show. Now that I'm more comfortable with it, my preferences have shifted toward Pinkie and Twilight.


Pinkie Pie for me. She's so zen. She notices things without noticing them. She knows when it's time for a party and skips the intervening steps and goes straight to the party.


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Twilight
Rarity
Pinkie
AJ
Dash/Fluttershy

Rarity's a stitch, no pun intended. She's played more seriously than the obvious comic relief Pinkie but still works very well as a comedic character, takes her pride-before-a-fall punchlines in stride, and still walks away a likable character. I still like Twilight better, but I will defend the white marshmallow fashionista if necessary. =)

However, watching Twilight episodes gets uncomfortable after a fashion when I once again have to check the room for hidden cameras...

It's weird, I managed to rank them by type. Unicorns > Earth Ponies > Pegasi. Huh.

I just wish most of the show's reception wasn't "This is a good girl show!" but instead just "This is a good show!" It's really hard not to take it as still seeing girly as inferior. Ah well. Baby steps.

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Something I learned in time.

I went from Fluttershy to Pinkie Pie to Twilight Sparkle.


Full list for me:

Pinkie Pie
Twilight
Fluttershy
AJ
Rarity
Dash

I like Twilight as well. Sometimes she actually gets a little lost from focus of the viewer, being the main POV for the show, we become her. But I think this helps the viewer identify with her so closely as well, we spend more time in her thoughts/shoes than anyone else. Despite her special talents, she's also the everypony on the show. We don't necessarily forget she's there, we just get so used to it that we don't notice her as closely sometimes.

I feel like Pinkie Pie is too easy to pick as my favorite, but I just can't justify anyone else to myself. Two other TV Characters I have some fondness are JD (scrubs) and Leslie Knope (Parks and Rec). PP has JD's silliness and non sequitur thought pattern. She shares Leslie's endless energy, hope and enthusiasm. She isn't the one I most identify with or want to be, she's the one I want to hang out with the most.

Also, if Pinkie Pie can't make you smile, there are consequences.


I saw one; I still don't know which ones are which; I think I'll viddy some more, for s$##s and giggles.

Can't figure out how to make a campaign out of the ponies though.

Shadow Lodge

Oh really?


So how do you use swords and footman's flails and stuff? Should the ponies have arms grownin outta their necks? Or prehensile manes?


heh heh.....MLP: Friendship is Carrion Hill.....

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They're using the Ponyfinder system.


I think they slandered Ahuizotl because they're jealous of his opposable thumbs. He's the real hero of the show.

Much like Mojo Jojo.


TOZ wrote:
Oh really?

I guess,.....it's the whole "how do we replace hands with opposable thumbs" schtick with telekinesis, or mouths, or stubby forelegs as the story/game requires.......

I was actually brainstorming "rear" feats. No, not butt feats, rear feats, like a pony rears up on her hind legs, draws a battle axe, and proceeds to melee with Ahuizotl/pony ghouls/whatever.


ono.

my son Spanky is turning into a Bronie.


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
TOZ wrote:
Oh really?

I guess,.....it's the whole "how do we replace hands with opposable thumbs" schtick with telekinesis, or mouths, or stubby forelegs as the story/game requires.......

I was actually brainstorming "rear" feats. No, not butt feats, rear feats, like a pony rears up on her hind legs, draws a battle axe, and proceeds to melee with Ahuizotl/pony ghouls/whatever.

Ponies can just grab things with their hooves. They touch stuff and it gets stuck to their hooves. They can even manipulate stuff... Fan theory is that all ponies are just so magical that they all can use low level tactile teleknesis.


there is a wiki

And a TvTropes page


My best guess as to why it's so popular is that unlike previous MLP shows (and a great many girl shows), is that instead of being written for just the kids of female persuasion, it was written for the entire family.

Hence, all the more adult-minded jokes and references that will go straight over the heads of the kiddies, but cause the parents to bust a gut laughing.

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VM mercenario wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
TOZ wrote:
Oh really?

I guess,.....it's the whole "how do we replace hands with opposable thumbs" schtick with telekinesis, or mouths, or stubby forelegs as the story/game requires.......

I was actually brainstorming "rear" feats. No, not butt feats, rear feats, like a pony rears up on her hind legs, draws a battle axe, and proceeds to melee with Ahuizotl/pony ghouls/whatever.

Ponies can just grab things with their hooves. They touch stuff and it gets stuck to their hooves. They can even manipulate stuff... Fan theory is that all ponies are just so magical that they all can use low level tactile teleknesis.

Search YouTube for "Doctor Whooves and Assistant". The first episode plays with this phenomenon a bit, with the Doctor unable to pick up his sonic screwdriver and Derpy Hooves unable to explain how simple it is.


Jiggy wrote:
VM mercenario wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
TOZ wrote:
Oh really?

I guess,.....it's the whole "how do we replace hands with opposable thumbs" schtick with telekinesis, or mouths, or stubby forelegs as the story/game requires.......

I was actually brainstorming "rear" feats. No, not butt feats, rear feats, like a pony rears up on her hind legs, draws a battle axe, and proceeds to melee with Ahuizotl/pony ghouls/whatever.

Ponies can just grab things with their hooves. They touch stuff and it gets stuck to their hooves. They can even manipulate stuff... Fan theory is that all ponies are just so magical that they all can use low level tactile teleknesis.
Search YouTube for "Doctor Whooves and Assistant". The first episode plays with this phenomenon a bit, with the Doctor unable to pick up his sonic screwdriver and Derpy Hooves unable to explain how simple it is.

Or Click here to see it!

Silver Crusade

Anybody else remember the Nic'Epona from Planescape?

Maybe it's time for a revival and revision of the concept. :)

edit-Also, everypony is best pony

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Everypony is best pony, except Celestia, Nightmare Moon, Twist, and Owloiscious (not least for that idiot name).

I could make a whole list of why each pony is great, but I think I'll just defend Rarity, because she seems to be the most 'controversial' pony. I like Rarity because she's very conflicted--she's vain and greedy, but generous when it comes down to it. It's a real challenge for her. In Sweet and Elite, she initially chooses the nobility over her friends, but she turns on the nobility when it actually becomes them-or-us.

Also, she is a funny artist pony, and I think a lot of writers and other artisans can identify somewhat with her.


Better Living Through Science and Ponies.

Also, there seems to be a pretty healthy techno/dubstep culture using both music from the shows and originals written about the shows.

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Irontruth wrote:
Also, there seems to be a pretty healthy techno/dubstep culture using both music from the shows and originals written about the shows.

Thank you for reminding me of this. As well as all the spin-off remixes. :)

...though there are also those Silent Hill remixes of "Hush Now Quiet Now" floating around too.... :O

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