Alchemist Tentacle Debate


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*Moving this to Rules discussion. Sorry. I'm new here.*

Having a debate with some people about alchemist discoveries, and I was hoping for some feedback.

The Alchemist Tentacle discovery says it 'does not give the alchemist extra attacks.' If you wanted to use it, you have to supplement a normal attack for it.

I read it as being like a normal natural attack in combination with manufactured attacks: To use it, you have to sacrifice a normal melee attack, unless it specifies otherwise. Like a sorcerer's claws. A sorcerer doesn't gain two claw attacks in addition to their normal attack, they have to use a full round action of natural attacks to use all their natural weapons.

However, here is the question: The tentacle is a natural attack. If an alchemist uses a feral mutagen to have three natural attacks, and makes a full round of natural attacks, can the tentacle be used then in addition to their normal natural attacks?

Normally, a creature can use as many natural attacks as it has available for a round. That is what makes Eidolon's so powerful. Stick 7 natural attacks on there, and let it rip.

I think the reason it says it doesn't give extra attacks is because the idea I see most often used against my claim, that most people will try to use a hand or tentacle to wield a weapon, and having an extra arm does not give you extra attacks with weapons. Like most other natural attacks, an orc's bite being a noted exception, if you are using a manufactured weapon, you have to swap them out. So I know and understand the tentacle can't be used to wield an extra weapon, or be used in addition to weapons without burning up an attack.

TL DR; Alchemist Tentacle discovery: If using a full round action of NATURAL ATTACKS ONLY, can it be used like a regular natural attack?


The attack at penalty would be an extra attack, that seems to run afoul of the no extra attack clause on the tentacle.

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