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DeathQuaker wrote:
Last Herald Mage is pretty good, IIRC (although the last time I read it I was a teen). It actually does get pretty dark sometimes too--"fun" isn't actually what I'd call it. Mercedes Lackey in general has a lot of homosexual and some bisexual characters in her stories.

As someone who has almost completed his collection of sword and sorceress novels, I can only say "yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup!"


Drejk wrote:

My decidedly asexual hermetic mage was suspected to be closeted homosexual by his cabal members. Especially the one maga who invited him to have sex with her but he declined.

This was party which included transgendered (female-to-male) Euthanatos.

cool!

I love mta. It's one of my favorite books to read. But lord help us all, it resulted in some pretty ugly fights at the table.


I actively refuse to GM Mage The Ascension anymore... Players come with too much preconceptions that aren't true in my world of darkness...


Regardless of them having supposed 'girlfriends' that relationship was beyond gay. Xena and Gabriella? were less gay than them and they were lesbian together.

Hercules and Ioleus(?) "adventuring" around together was gayer than if you watched Top Gun and replaced the soundtrack with Samwell's "What what in the butt" on endless repeat.

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And why do you say that, kmal2t? What makes them "gay" if they are not actually demonstratively homosexual?

Last I checked, there is not a required form of dress or behavior that makes one gay.

Even two men in leather pants getting in lots of fistfights with other men.

(That might be homoerotic, though, depending.)


DeathQuaker wrote:
Last Herald Mage is pretty good, IIRC (although the last time I read it I was a teen). It actually does get pretty dark sometimes too--"fun" isn't actually what I'd call it. Mercedes Lackey in general has a lot of homosexual and some bisexual characters in her stories.

The first book of that trilogy told me I was gay. Or rather, what I recall as a really hot sexy dream sequence did.

I should probably write her a thank you letter or something one of these days.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
Last Herald Mage is pretty good, IIRC (although the last time I read it I was a teen). It actually does get pretty dark sometimes too--"fun" isn't actually what I'd call it. Mercedes Lackey in general has a lot of homosexual and some bisexual characters in her stories.

The first book of that trilogy told me I was gay. Or rather, what I recall as a really hot sexy dream sequence did.

I should probably write her a thank you letter or something one of these days.

Based on what (little) I know of Mercedes Lackey, she'd probably get a kick out of that. :)

My first girl-crush was on a character from JEM and the Holograms. So very literary, I know. But then, I think JEM and the Misfits helped lots of preadolescents in the 80s realize their sexuality. ;)

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DeathQuaker wrote:

My first girl-crush was on a character from JEM and the Holograms. So very literary, I know. But then, I think JEM and the Misfits helped lots of preadolescents in the 80s realize their sexuality. ;)

Oh Misfits. <3

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Lilith wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:

My first girl-crush was on a character from JEM and the Holograms. So very literary, I know. But then, I think JEM and the Misfits helped lots of preadolescents in the 80s realize their sexuality. ;)

Oh Misfits. <3

They have a certain appeal. :)

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Well, since I outed myself in passing on one of the other gender and politics threads as being on the trans spectrum, I figured that I might as well post something in this thread that’s a bit more substantive.

Whether this came as any big surprise for anyone or not, I can’t say. Perhaps going under the handle of a female character for nearly ten years on various D&D boards online was more revealing than I thought? :)

Salacious or not so salacious details:
I present as a boringly vanilla heterosexual male, and unless I told you, you probably wouldn’t even think I had gender identity issues. That’s a choice I’ve made for various reasons. It’s something that I’ve struggled with since I was a child, and usually vacillating between periods of angst and depression, and periods of brutally denying it, burying and suppressing it, and doing my best to fit social expectations. It has taken a lot to even acknowledge that I’m on the trans spectrum (albeit on the shallower end), and that hasn’t been but in the past five years or so. But explanation on where I’ve come from and what I’ve experienced.

As far as I can tell, the portions of my brain responsible for gender identity are feminized, but probably not on the extreme end of the spectrum. I didn’t feel dysphoric about my birth gender till around age 11 or 12, whereas some people become aware of it as exceedingly young children. I remember quite firmly looking at women on television, in movies, and magazines and the first thing in my mind wasn’t the early inklings of sexual attraction, but of something between longing to be one of them and brutally crushing envy bordering on despair. I remember in highschool laying in bed and praying that I would fall asleep and wake up in the right body the next morning.

Yet at the same time, going through that personal hell, I wasn’t ever able to categorize it as being gender dysphoria –I didn’t have the words to frame it- and I never labeled myself as being trans, even once I became aware of the concept itself. It’s certainly not something that educators mention in sex education / health class in middle or highschool; not where I was at least.

And even if I had been self-aware and able to recognize what was going on, I don’t think I’d have done anything but bottle it up and not speak a word to anyone about it. I had enough issues with bullying as a child and for part of highschool just being the socially awkward king nerd of the class that I certainly wasn’t going to give more reason to make myself a target of verbal abuse at the very least.

Apparently in highschool my parents thought that I was gay till I brought home my first girlfriend. To this day I don’t know why they thought this, and sadly I can’t ask my father who is the one person in my family that I could probably comfortably talk to about this whole issue (he died when I was in highschool). Socially maladjusted to a degree yes, horribly shy yes, but whatever else they perceived I don’t have a clue. Perhaps they noticed stereotypically female mannerisms or something else subtly “off” about me versus the average boy, or what they would consider as being such? I can’t say.

And on that topic, I’m –as my partner has mentioned elsewhere- I’m “boringly monosexual” in that I’m only attracted to women at a pretty deep end of that spectrum of sexuality. Historically that was a death knell for an MtF wanting to transition, because doctors wouldn’t diagnose you unless you were going to go from being male to being a hetero female. The idea of anything beyond those cookie cutter shapes was alien, and even today a vocal minority of psychologists want to label MtF individuals as either repressed male homosexuals or heterosexual males with a fetish.

I’ve never been open to any degree about this till very recently, and in large part it was due to my own inability to come to terms with how I felt and actually internally identify as something other than my birth gender. There’s a certain amount of fear to do so, both internally and in having to face a judgmental society that by and large still doesn’t accept transgender persons.

I’ve been content to keep up the charade and not present as anything other than male, choosing to live with the waxing and waning dysphoria and the periodic bouts of longing, rather than face the inevitable ridicule from the general public and the likely canonballing of my job prospects. I would prefer to be female, but I don’t hate myself as male. I don’t look in the mirror and feel consuming self-loathing as some people experience. It feels off, it feels not quite right, it feels like a mask or a body suit I’d like to take off, and I’ve never liked looking at my reflection for that reason, but as I mentioned before, I’m not on the extreme end of the trans spectrum; I’ve never felt suicidal, and it’s not so absolutely strong that I’m willing to accept the social and professional fallout. Plus, type 1 diabetes isn’t the best thing to have when transitioning due to microvascular complications and wound healing issues, which even if I felt strongly enough of a need to transition, that could hinder bottom surgery.

I don’t feel dysphoric enough on a day-in-day-out basis to –need- to transition. I can’t say that I’ll ever be super comfortable with my birth gender, but I’m not suppressing my own acknowledgement of my condition as in the past, and I suppose the best words to use are that I’m ok with where I am, and I don’t –need- to transition. It isn’t perfect, there’s something not right, but I can live with it. I’m thankfully blessed with a partner who perfectly understands my feelings and experiences, having undergone them herself and come to similar conclusions. That level of empathy and acceptance makes a world of difference, makes the occasional bouts of dysphoria easier to deal with, and life the rest of the time is the best that it has ever been, hands down. :)


A+, Stay solid, Todd

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Thank you for sharing that, Todd. This is a pretty supportive thread :)


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Todd Stewart wrote:
Well, since I outed myself in passing on one of the other gender and politics threads as being on the trans spectrum, I figured that I might as well post something in this thread that’s a bit more substantive.

Go, you! Out and proud is a good thing. :) This was not a decision I would have made for you, because I think that being out should come from your own respect and comfort with your identity and not a partner's political agenda, but it's definitely one that makes me happy to see. Big step, lots of supportive hugs.


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Thanks for sharing that Todd. And welcome to the thread. It's generally a good place to share stuff. :)

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Yay Todd! Lots of internet hugs going your way if you want them.


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Todd Stewart wrote:
<difficult stuff>

{hugs} The one guy I had a crush on in high school turned out to not be a guy after all. (She is now happily post-transition and married in Mass, and last I'd heard, she and her hubby are looking to adopt their first child.) I'm still a little jealous of how much better she looked in a skirt than me.

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Todd,
This is a path not as often traveled, downright lonely sometimes. It seems like everyone is invisible until they start to reach out. Then out of the closets we appear. :-) You are in good company.

RecknBall

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I want to give this whole thread a hug.

DQ, your tastes are outrageous. Truly truly truly outrageous.

Todd, this does cast the old adoption of the Shemeshka the Marauder handle in a new light. :)


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Mikaze wrote:
Todd, this does cast the old adoption of the Shemeshka the Marauder handle in a new light. :)

Oddly enough, Shemeshka really isn't an alter ego. If he had an actual female persona, it would probably be a lot more like a cross between Pinkie Pie and Rarity, alignment chaotic silly.

I think that as writers we both tend to create complex but flawed characters that we would find very interesting to meet, but not so much about doing the Mary Sue thing and actually imagining those characters as glorified versions of ourselves.

I like getting into the head of a complex character, but I am not that person except in the very limited sense that their experience may be fleshed out to some extent from mine. Quite often they end up very much developing their own 'voice'. But they aren't me, and Todd's most frequently written characters are definitely not him.


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TanithT wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
Todd, this does cast the old adoption of the Shemeshka the Marauder handle in a new light. :)

Oddly enough, Shemeshka really isn't an alter ego. If he had an actual female persona, it would probably be a lot more like a cross between Pinkie Pie and Rarity, alignment chaotic silly.

I think that as writers we both tend to create complex but flawed characters that we would find very interesting to meet, but not so much about doing the Mary Sue thing and actually imagining those characters as glorified versions of ourselves.

I like getting into the head of a complex character, but I am not that person except in the very limited sense that their experience may be fleshed out to some extent from mine. Quite often they end up very much developing their own 'voice'. But they aren't me, and Todd's most frequently written characters are definitely not him.

I am wearing my pinkie pie and rarity bling even as we speak.

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TanithT wrote:


Oddly enough, Shemeshka really isn't an alter ego. If he had an actual female persona, it would probably be a lot more like a cross between Pinkie Pie and Rarity, alignment chaotic silly.

I think that as writers we both tend to create complex but flawed characters that we would find very interesting to meet, but not so much about doing the Mary Sue thing and actually imagining those characters as glorified versions of ourselves.

I like getting into the head of a complex character, but I am not that person except in the very limited sense that their experience may be fleshed out to some extent from mine. Quite often they end up very much developing their own 'voice'. But they aren't me, and Todd's most frequently written characters are definitely not him.

Not even close to being similar to me. A lot of the horrific and evil female characters I've written (and yeah there have been a lot) skew more towards the I'd unwisely date them rather than reflecting bits of my own personality. They're complex characters, and over time they've developed their own identities, goals, flaws, etc and thankfully I'm nothing like any of them.

If anything, the one character of mine that resembles me (much to TanithT's lament for a moment of seriousness) would be Nisha the tiefling xaositect from my storyhour. They were more or less a DMPC for a number of years. I had way too much fun with them, and there was certainly a level of escapism and self-insertion of personality I think.

But the unholy love-child of Pinkie Pie and Rarity is probably about right.

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I just wanted to give a deep thank you to everyone for the well wishes, the encouragement, acknowledgement, and the internet hugs. :)

This wasn't the easiest thing, and it means a lot.


DeathQuaker wrote:

And why do you say that, kmal2t? What makes them "gay" if they are not actually demonstratively homosexual?

Last I checked, there is not a required form of dress or behavior that makes one gay.

Even two men in leather pants getting in lots of fistfights with other men.

(That might be homoerotic, though, depending.)

Hercules was pretty muscle-porn heavy in a few episodes... Definitely homoerotic, but so cheesy most people missed it.


Todd Stewart wrote:

I just wanted to give a deep thank you to everyone for the well wishes, the encouragement, acknowledgement, and the internet hugs. :)

This wasn't the easiest thing, and it means a lot.

the phone didn't post my reply to your original statement, so let me thank you a bit late for sharing and encourage you along your path.

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Todd Stewart wrote:

I just wanted to give a deep thank you to everyone for the well wishes, the encouragement, acknowledgement, and the internet hugs. :)

This wasn't the easiest thing, and it means a lot.

Let me contribute another internet hug. Thanks for sharing.

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I don't do Hugs... I do Huggles :-P

Todd your story is so similar to most anyone that has GID.

Some of us transition, some do not. Some want to and cannot because of money.

I was never "Uncomfortable" with the male me, I just knew I needed to be female and wanted to be as well. I was a "Mans Man" Now I am a DIVA and I can be as girly as many other girls because it is natural.

I have transitioned. There is a youtube link on one of the pages not long ago.

So once again Huggles, be strong, if you need support seek it out or ask and you will find it.

Society today is far different than it was 20 years ago or even 10 years ago. Trust me on that as I have been FT for 7 years


I suppose I am taking liberties that I should not, but I would really appreciate it if some of the people who regularly visit this thread would check out a new game I am starting in the PbP forums called, "The Beginning of All Things". Though I did not specifically state that Gender, Identity and Issues would not be a primary focus of the campaign, I am trying to make them a big part of the game in the introduction of two new races that have uncommon gender identity ideals.


IceniQueen wrote:

Todd your story is so similar to most anyone that has GID.

Some of us transition, some do not. Some want to and cannot because of money.

Or other reasons. I also thought hard about the social and professional consequences as well as the cost and the end result, weighed that against my actual need to transition, or more accurately to get the hell out of this female drag suit I ended up stuck in, and came up with a no. Also, there is no current FTM surgery that would produce what I would consider acceptable results.

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I was never "Uncomfortable" with the male me, I just knew I needed to be female and wanted to be as well. I was a "Mans Man" Now I am a DIVA and I can be as girly as many other girls because it is natural.

My feelings are more "this body is wrong for me, I am NOT female, this is a bad drag suit I just got stuck in" than very clearly "I am male". They center more on the dead middle of the gender spectrum with willingness to play on either end with equal indifference. Either identification would be playing in drag for me. Neither fits. I feel much more dysphoria, resentment and rejection of the female identifier, mainly because I'm stuck in it and that gets very old very fast. I am not sure I would not end up feeling the same way about being stuck in male drag.

I really am genderless as far as I can tell. *I don't care* which gender I express at any given moment, as long as I don't have to feel stuck in it, because it's not actually me. Unfortunately I am stuck in it, and that is seriously weird and creepy to me. And sometimes depressing. But I make the best of it, because everything works, and it is pretty darn good drag. As long as my partner understands on a fundamental level that it IS drag, and understands that sometimes I WILL take it off, and that I desperately need to sometimes, I get enough breathing space to make it work.

That's why I can't date someone totally cisgendered and heterosexual. They would not Get It, and they would expect me to keep the female identifier on even when I really, really did not feel like it and was starting to hate and resent it to the point that it would poison my ability to wear it at all.

Trans/het cis relationships are very tough waters to navigate. Been there, tried that, decided a long time ago that it was a bad idea for me. Finding out that Todd was nonflexibly hetero actually came pretty close to my stopping things at the just friends stage. Fortunately we got around to discussing the mutually non cisgendered part early enough that it worked.

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I have transitioned. There is a youtube link on one of the pages not long ago.

I saw, go you!

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TanithT wrote:

Or other reasons. I also thought hard about the social and professional consequences as well as the cost and the end result, weighed that against my actual need to transition, or more accurately to get the hell out of this female drag suit I ended up stuck in, and came up with a no. Also, there is no current FTM surgery that would produce what I would consider acceptable results.

What do you consider as acceptable results?

As a M2F the only 2 things you will not get from the surgery is a period (YEAH) and not having a baby... maybe YEAH. Though that part to me would be grand in my view but I have 2 boys already so no biggy.

You have all the feelings and it looks as good if not better than most GG's though a doc CAN tell the difference. if he can't he's a bad doc.

For a F2M that surgery is a LONG ways off from good. Though the hormones replacement for F2M kicks M2F rear as the damage from male hormones is done and not as easy to fix (Face, voice, hair, and hips)


DeathQuaker wrote:
Samnell wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:
Last Herald Mage is pretty good, IIRC (although the last time I read it I was a teen). It actually does get pretty dark sometimes too--"fun" isn't actually what I'd call it. Mercedes Lackey in general has a lot of homosexual and some bisexual characters in her stories.

The first book of that trilogy told me I was gay. Or rather, what I recall as a really hot sexy dream sequence did.

I should probably write her a thank you letter or something one of these days.

Based on what (little) I know of Mercedes Lackey, she'd probably get a kick out of that. :)

My first girl-crush was on a character from JEM and the Holograms. So very literary, I know. But then, I think JEM and the Misfits helped lots of preadolescents in the 80s realize their sexuality. ;)

Jem. Holograms. Misfits. It's allllllllllll good to me.

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I always wanted a machine like Gem that would transform me :-( Bummer it does not exist

Love Jem and the Holograms


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Hi all. This may seem trite comparing to what most of you have to share, but tomorrow I'm moving in with my bf, which is a pretty big thing for me.


Black Tom wrote:
Hi all. This may seem trite comparing to what most of you have to share, but tomorrow I'm moving in with my bf, which is a pretty big thing for me.

Congrats. :)


IceniQueen wrote:
What do you consider as acceptable results?

A working lower part. Currently the choices are between one that looks good and doesn't work or feel sensation (phalloplasty) and one that theoretically sort of works and feels sensation but is extremely small (metoidioplasty).

Not gonna work for me. Technology needs to catch up some.

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For a F2M that surgery is a LONG ways off from good. Though the hormones replacement for F2M kicks M2F rear as the damage from male hormones is done and not as easy to fix (Face, voice, hair, and hips)

True that. I would be externally passable much more quickly on T than an MTF could be on E. But I don't care nearly as much how others see me as how I actually function.

The plumbing I have now works, so I'll stick with it. It really doesn't work very optimally post FTM surgery, so I wouldn't be comfortable going there.

And, grats, Black Tom.


IceniQueen wrote:

I always wanted a machine like Gem that would transform me :-( Bummer it does not exist

Love Jem and the Holograms

That is truly outrageous,if you know what I mean!


I really appreciate the exposition from Trans folk; it's an area in which I have little-to-no expertise, and when it does come up, all my straight friends are looking at me like "Well, what's the deal?"

Given the apparent (though hopefully abating) stigma attached to Trans people, it's possible that I have known one or two over the course of my life, but without knowing it... I haven't had anyone openly Trans in my life to talk with, so these latest posts have been really great.

As a gay guy, certainly I'm aware that gender isn't the monolithic thing that society has made it out to be... but given my own comfort with the gender I got, there's always been rather a mystery for me regarding people who feel unmatched between body and soul.

So, thanks all; it's always good to have a little more understanding and empathy.


Todd Stewart wrote:

I just wanted to give a deep thank you to everyone for the well wishes, the encouragement, acknowledgement, and the internet hugs. :)

This wasn't the easiest thing, and it means a lot.

This is the internet. We're here to be supportive and friendly and-

Well ok, would you believe we have pictures of cats? :)

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Black Tom wrote:
Hi all. This may seem trite comparing to what most of you have to share, but tomorrow I'm moving in with my bf, which is a pretty big thing for me.

Best wishes to you both! Congrats :)


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Freehold DM wrote:
I am wearing my pinkie pie and rarity bling even as we speak.

Rainbow Dash toe socks, Dashie and AppleJack figs on my desk, along with a Derpy Hooves Vinyl Figurine and a Princess Luna/Celestia silver and gold coin.


Todd Stewart wrote:

I just wanted to give a deep thank you to everyone for the well wishes, the encouragement, acknowledgement, and the internet hugs. :)

This wasn't the easiest thing, and it means a lot.

TanithT wrote:
<personal stuff>

I'm glad the people in this thread (and the Paizo staff) have been so welcoming and supportive that you both have felt comfortable enough sharing yourselves with us.

Even better, I'm glad you both have each other offline for support. I know there were too many days in high school/pre-college that I wasn't sure I'd get through the rest of the week or even until tomorrow... except for my friend being there to lean on, and my being there to help her up when she was down.

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TanithT wrote:


A working lower part. Currently the choices are between one that looks good and doesn't work or feel sensation (phalloplasty) and one that theoretically sort of works and feels sensation but is extremely small (metoidioplasty).

Not gonna work for me. Technology needs to catch up some.

Actually your wrong in that. The many. many, many T woman I know and many of those with GG GF's will tell you that it looks very natural and works very much the same and much of it depends on your "willy" for lack of a better term. In most cases 7" is what you get and is very good and VERY natural. Everyone I know who went to Marcie Bauers or Dr Brusard in Canada had natural feeling and enjoyed things much more as a female than as a male and the sensation was great.

When Dr Bauers took over from Biber she made improvements that were leaps and bounds over what others do. But then again she was an OBGYN before her own surgery and knew the dynamics better than anyone else.

No guys like Meltzer are not as good and do not get the results.

But I can assure you today it is all VERY natural in all ways Size, feeling, appearance. As I said the only thing you won't get is the period or a baby

BUT both of those surgeries are for F2M


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BUT both of those surgeries are for F2M

Yes. M2F lower surgery options are excellent and very difficult to distinguish in form and function from cisgendered female equipment. F2M bottom surgery options are not so good, and do not yield results I would be happy or comfortable with. I am not M2F. I'm not - quite - F2M either, though that would come a lot closer to an accurate description.

When they come up with a cool body swapping spell in the real world, then I'm in. Until then, I'll stick with the plumbing that works and isn't unbearably wrong even if it's not quite right.

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TanithT wrote:
IceniQueen wrote:


BUT both of those surgeries are for F2M

Yes. M2F lower surgery options are excellent and very difficult to distinguish in form and function from cisgendered female equipment. F2M bottom surgery options are not so good, and do not yield results I would be happy or comfortable with. I am not M2F. I'm not - quite - F2M either, though that would come a lot closer to an accurate description.

When they come up with a cool body swapping spell in the real world, then I'm in. Until then, I'll stick with the plumbing that works and isn't unbearably wrong even if it's not quite right.

Heck I think most of us would be all over that. That or a genetic alteration machine that allows you to redesign your self from top to bottom


Uh, Star Trek Geekery incoming.

Hook a medical tricorder up to a transporter, use the buffer on the transporter to edit both topological and genetic aspects of physiology.

And never go to the gym again.

Live long, and prosper.


Pretty sure a good percentage of the original series officers on the Enterprise could have used a session or two at the gym. ;p


I'm a doctor, Jim. *pant, puff* Not an athlete!

I've used up all the power I've got, I cannae go any further!

That's not my belly, Yeoman Rand - I'm just happy to see you.

Humans...


And have a happy Mardi-Gras to any Australian based players who are heading off tomorrow night... I know of a few who will be on the floats :)


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I'm a doctor, Jim. *pant, puff* Not an athlete!

I've used up all the power I've got, I cannae go any further!

That's not my belly, Yeoman Rand - I'm just happy to see you.

Humans...

I'd love to see how ships..ah..enjoy one another's company.


Swedish singer-songwriter Robert Broberg wrote a song about that.

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I just had the most unpleasant image of the Christmas tune "I saw three ships come sailing in" with a manage-a-trois subtext. It's like the "walk of shame". On Christmas morning. Blegh.

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