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Every time they mention Amon, I always picture a different Amon...
Does anyone else get the suspicious feeling that the Northern Water Tribe Rep is actually Amon?
Watching it with my 13-year-old son -- we're loving it so far.
Does anyone else get the suspicious feeling that the Northern Water Tribe Rep is actually Amon?
I asked that back on page one.
It would fit that Tarloc (still don't rightly know how that's spelled) would be either Amon, or the person allied with Amon to give him what he needs in the way of intelligence and materiel (how exactly does Amon always get away? Or get in to places he shouldn't have access to?). So a puppet master, maybe, if not Amon himself.
I personally want his story to be at least accurate to its face. Might he be leaving out details to make himself look more sympathetic? Sure. But the idea that he's a bender in disguise doesn't sit as well with me, and I think would ruin him as a villain. I think he's much better off if his story is sincere.
Note that whatever he's doing is not quite the same thing as Spiritbending/Energybending. The main differences being the chakra points attacked - when Aang did his thing to Ozai, he had one hand on Ozai's forehead and the other on his chest; Amon puts one hand on their head and the other on the back of their neck - specifically, the "amon" pressure point. (The name Amon has so many references it's not funny, someone on another site posted a list that I'll cross-post when I get home.)
I've seen it suggested that he might not be literally removing their bending ability but rather permanently (or temporarily with a very long duration, enough to convince people it can't be healed or won't fade in time) jamming up their chakra points somehow. Which would make it more an extremely advanced version of chi-blocking than Energybending. Until we get more details on the "spirit message" Amon claims he got, though, it's naught but speculation.
Oh most definitely.
I think the screwup is less on their parts personally, and more on the folks they left to do the job in their absence.
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Does anyone else get the suspicious feeling that the Northern Water Tribe Rep is actually Amon?I asked that back on page one.
It would fit that Tarloc (still don't rightly know how that's spelled) would be either Amon, or the person allied with Amon to give him what he needs in the way of intelligence and materiel (how exactly does Amon always get away? Or get in to places he shouldn't have access to?). So a puppet master, maybe, if not Amon himself.
So you did.
Personally, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping the Amon is actually somehow Fire Lord Ozai.
Nah, he would've died of old age. Now Azula OTOH...
I've seen it suggested that he might not be literally removing their bending ability but rather permanently (or temporarily with a very long duration, enough to convince people it can't be healed or won't fade in time) jamming up their chakra points somehow. Which would make it more an extremely advanced version of chi-blocking than Energybending. Until we get more details on the "spirit message" Amon claims he got, though, it's naught but speculation.
I'm leaning towards extremely advanced chi-blocking. But I like to think he's not messing with the chakra but with the brain directly. Just wiping out entire portions of the victims brain.
He could be the reincarnation of Fire Lord Ozai. It would be interesting since Ozai lost his bending by spirit bender and reincartion could do the same thanks to a spirit. But it could be a character that hasn't been introduced or a maybe one that was mentioned.
One theory I've heard is thus:
Three characters (or character sets) thus far - Mako and Bolin's parents, Sato's wife, and Amon and his family - have been noted as having been attacked/killed by a rogue Firebender.
The last thing we know of Aang was that he fought a Firebender whose name I cannot recall who came to Republic City to make trouble.
One theory I've heard is that they're the same person, still out there on the loose and randomly attacking people. The other is that the guy Aang fought is gone, but the three Firebender attacks were done by the same person.
In other news, why is every bad bender (except for the thugs from the market in the first episode) always a Firebender? Water- and Earthbenders can do some nasty stuff too (in theory, and even discounting Bloodbending), but it's always the pyros who are the big bad criminals, even post-Ozai.
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In other news, why is every bad bender (except for the thugs from the market in the first episode) always a Firebender? Water- and Earthbenders can do some nasty stuff too (in theory, and even discounting Bloodbending), but it's always the pyros who are the big bad criminals, even post-Ozai.
Cause fire bad. Have you ever been burned by water? Naw, man. Ice water not cold enough to burn. Ever been burned by Earth? Naw, man. Earth good. Ever been burned by fire? Yeah, man. It hurt.
In world, fire bender's firebending comes from they're emotions. Anger is a prodominant emotion, so thus many firebenders run on Anger. Why do you think Zuko lost, but got back, his bending? He didn't have an emotional drive. Water and Earth benders, on the other hand, don't have to worry as much, since the only thing their emotions do to their bending is guide where it goes.
Thats my two earth bending copper coins. Careful, they earthbend.
One theory I've heard is thus:
** spoiler omitted **In other news, why is every bad bender (except for the thugs from the market in the first episode) always a Firebender? Water- and Earthbenders can do some nasty stuff too (in theory, and even discounting Bloodbending), but it's always the pyros who are the big bad criminals, even post-Ozai.
Mostly because the elements that the benders have access to also tend to temper their personality. So Earth Benders tend to be stable and serious, Water Benders tend to be fluid and adaptable, and Air Benders tend to be free-spirited and easy going. There are of course always going to be exceptions to the rule - Bumi was a "landslide" if you will - definitely full of the wisdom of stone, but mad as a box of ferrets. Fire Benders like Mako are the "steady flame," the ones who are the heat that keep home fires strong. But there are more than enough chaotic, temperamental, hot-blooded Fire Benders to show that Mako is the deviation, not the norm.
Oh I understand how it works. It's more a gripe than anything, really. Mix it up a little, guys.
I think Tarloc is either an egotistical douche using this new war with the Equalists to get ahead in the world, or he is actually in league with Amon. Amon is obviously just using him to get ahead though, and Tarloc will get his justice.
Now, my theory on Amon. Each time Korra has had a close run-in with Amon (at the memorial and again after their championship match) she had a 'vision' of Aang and Toff and some mystery guy. I think Amon wears a mask not because of a fire bender, but because he was likely a former fire bender (sorry Orthos - still bad fire benders here) who was causing trouble and Aang took his bending away. He now nurses a grudge, and somehow figured out how to take bending from others as well.
There was no bad fire bender who killed his parents. There were no spirits telling him the Avatar failed. He is just a dude with a grudge, albeit a dangerous dude. He wears a mask because he doesn't want anyone to recognize him.
He could be the reincarnation of Fire Lord Ozai. It would be interesting since Ozai lost his bending by spirit bender and reincartion could do the same thanks to a spirit. But it could be a character that hasn't been introduced or a maybe one that was mentioned.
Ohh... How about this theory: There really was a spirit that gave Amon the power to take away bending. But it wasn't a spirit for balance as he says. But a ghost! Ozais ghost! Amon is just a pawn of Ozais ghost in his otherwordly quest for vengeance.
Is anyone here a troper? I want to put these ideas on the WMG page but I'm too lazy to learn how you edit wikis...
I'm not sure what show you're watching.
The one where:
Amon's family was killed and his face was burned off by a Firebender. (Taking his story as accurate until proven otherwise.)
Bolin and Mako's parents were killed by a Firebender.
Sato's wife was killed by a Firebender.
Please read the post more carefully. I'm not saying "every Firebender is bad." Mako alone is proof enough that that's bogus. I'm saying "why is every bad bender a Firebender?" Every anti-bender backstory we've gotten so far was "a Firebender did terrible things to me/my family". Most of the villainous benders introduced or mentioned thus far - all of them except the Water- and Earthbender from the troublemaking trio of gangsters in the first episode, and Tahno to an extent - have been Firebenders.
Yeah it makes sense that Firebenders, given the source of their focus, are a bit more likely to become criminals. But I'd like to see more of the stuff like that gangster trio in Equalists'/sympathizers' backstories and less "every person who's had bender problems was on the wrong end of a fireball".
I'd like to give the show's creators more credit than to think they'd resort to such hackneyed plot devices. Aang's dead. Ozai's dead. Accept it.He could be the reincarnation of Fire Lord Ozai. It would be interesting since Ozai lost his bending by spirit bender and reincartion could do the same thanks to a spirit. But it could be a character that hasn't been introduced or a maybe one that was mentioned.Ohh... How about this theory: There really was a spirit that gave Amon the power to take away bending. But it wasn't a spirit for balance as he says. But a ghost! Ozais ghost! Amon is just a pawn of Ozais ghost in his otherwordly quest for vengeance.
Is anyone here a troper? I want to put these ideas on the WMG page but I'm too lazy to learn how you edit wikis...
as an anti troper, I approve of this post.
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Agreed. Not every firebender is abusive, not every waterbender is a healer, not every Earthbender is a rambunctious brawler. The abuses by benders upon (*sigh*) muggles should be seen in a variety of ways. So far, all I've seen is that benders seem to be guaranteed employment, while non benders who aren't already rich starve.
I'm not sure what show you're watching.The one where:
Amon's family was killed and his face was burned off by a Firebender. (Taking his story as accurate until proven otherwise.)
Bolin and Mako's parents were killed by a Firebender.
Sato's wife was killed by a Firebender.
Please read the post more carefully. I'm not saying "every Firebender is bad." Mako alone is proof enough that that's bogus. I'm saying "why is every bad bender a Firebender?" Every anti-bender backstory we've gotten so far was "a Firebender did terrible things to me/my family". Most of the villainous benders introduced or mentioned thus far - all of them except the Water- and Earthbender from the troublemaking trio of gangsters in the first episode, and Tahno to an extent - have been Firebenders.
Yeah it makes sense that Firebenders, given the source of their focus, are a bit more likely to become criminals. But I'd like to see more of the stuff like that gangster trio in Equalists'/sympathizers' backstories and less "every person who's had bender problems was on the wrong end of a fireball".
You have to remember the context of the region. The nation of which Republic City is the capital of was created from the former Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom. So the context was a war of aggression pursued by the Fire Nation against the Earth Kingdom (and the other two element nations). So from their point of view, the Fire Nation is going to be the main bad guys. Also has remarked before of all the elements, Fire is the one that's most likely to be used as injurious and lethal force against others.
You're missing my point. I get all that. I still would like to see more Equalists whose sob stories don't revolve around "a Firebender did something bad to me".
Earthbenders would make awesome "enforcers", thugs, and make just as excellent cause for protection rackets as a Firebender when they can cause your building's foundation to simply crumble with a thought. Waterbenders could ruin food, damage crops, and flood homes/businesses through the plumbing.
There's plenty of potential for all three variants to have caused problems in people's backgrounds that turned them against benders as a whole. Yet in every example we have thus far, it's always been a Firebender. Unless it's the same guy each of the three times I listed - which is a theory I've heard - it's illogical to think that they're the only ones causing problems and I would like to see the show acknowledge this by bringing up other bending types in their accusations.
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I'd like to give the show's creators more credit than to think they'd resort to such hackneyed plot devices. Aang's dead. Ozai's dead. Accept it.He could be the reincarnation of Fire Lord Ozai. It would be interesting since Ozai lost his bending by spirit bender and reincartion could do the same thanks to a spirit. But it could be a character that hasn't been introduced or a maybe one that was mentioned.Ohh... How about this theory: There really was a spirit that gave Amon the power to take away bending. But it wasn't a spirit for balance as he says. But a ghost! Ozais ghost! Amon is just a pawn of Ozais ghost in his otherwordly quest for vengeance.
Is anyone here a troper? I want to put these ideas on the WMG page but I'm too lazy to learn how you edit wikis...
Your inability to comprehend humor is astounding.
It's a theory I've seen before, but I'm inclined to disagree with it. Both for the reason Lazar posted, and because every stolen-face person we've seen before has their entire face stolen - Amon still has his eyes.
Poor, benighted Tenzin.
I'm still not entirely happy with the fact that they've gone from non-/pre-Industrial to automobiles and radio in 70 years (Fire Nation airships not-withstanding), but, eh. If the story's good, I'll get over it. :D
I also felt like the technological jump in Republic City in 70 yrs was too much, but otherwise I'm really loving LoK.
If Amon really has been talking to spirits, does anyone think it's possible that his face was stolen, rather than burned?
...And he's being used as a puppet by Koh... I like this one.
And humbug to you people that need plausible theories. Humbug. Wacky theories are best theories. I reject your reality and substitute my own. Come to the silly side, we not only have cookies but also several other sweets, candies and pastries. Resistance is funny and will be mocked.
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Okay... so it was okay for the Fire Nation to have tundra tanks 70 years ago, but not okay for there to be mecha tanks and cars in Republic City?
Given that you had the likes of Sokka and The Mechanist around back in the early days of Republic City, the fact such technological advances occurred seemed inevitable to me. Remember, Sokka and the Mechanist designed the tank-treaded supply trucks that were used during the Fire Nation Invasion (Day of Black Sun Part 1: Invasion). There were at least eight of those trucks being used and they got left behind when the invasion failed. So there's your first automobile.
Alot of the technology isn't as widespread as you think. It developed in Republic City and so it's localized there. That makes sense to me.
If Amon really has been talking to spirits, does anyone think it's possible that his face was stolen, rather than burned?
That...would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!
Except if you ever got your face stolen, I don't think you would be able to talk...I don't recall anyone with their face stolen could talk...could they?
If Amon really has been talking to spirits, does anyone think it's possible that his face was stolen, rather than burned?
That...would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!
Except if you ever got your face stolen, I don't think you would be able to talk...I don't recall anyone with their face stolen could talk...could they?
Noone with their face stolen actually appeared on the show, so we don't know anything. Maybe Amon can't talk, the words are Koh talking, he just uses his magic for ventriloquism.
And we haven't seen Amons eyes either, Orthos. We always see him with a mask, anything below that is speculation. Those eyes might be another mask behind the first, for all we've seen.
And we haven't seen Amons eyes either, Orthos. We always see him with a mask, anything below that is speculation. Those eyes might be another mask behind the first, for all we've seen.
The eyes move. I wouldn't put bets on that being faked.
I could stand to be surprised though. I'd like to see more of Koh.
@Freehold: We saw a monkey at Koh's lair that had its face stolen, and I think I recall there being someone in the flashbacks that we saw missing their face (the water-Avatar's fiancee maybe?). The monkey for certain had no eyes or mouth, just a blank shapeless flesh-colored space. So unless Amon's eyes are faked somehow and his voice is coming from some form of ventriloquism, I wouldn't wager heavily on it.
EDIT: As promised, suspected etymologies regarding Amon:
- Amon is a common transliteration of Amun, as in Amun-Ra, king of the gods in the Egyptian pantheon. It also is an Egyptian name meaning "hidden". Also note that Amun-Ra was the god of the sun, and Amon has a red circle (rising sun of Japan) on his forehead, right over where he jabs people.
- The Chinese transliteration of his name is āméng, which has several meanings, the most common one is "to cover"
- Amon is the name of a demon (actually, a Marquis of Hell) in the 17th century grimoire The Lesser Key of Solomon/Ars Goetia.
- Amon is also the first name of Amon Goeth. You might know him as the antagonist of Shindler's List.
- Amon is a pressure point located at the back of the neck, which if hit correctly can kill someone. Note that when removing people's bending, one of the places he presses is here; the other is the top of their head, at the Crown Chakra.
- Amon is one letter away from Anon, and what does Anonymous do? Protest while wearing masks.
- Aman means "peace" in Malay and Sanskrit, "safety" in Arabic.
- Amonhotep, the Pharaoh who tried to make Egypt monotheistic by declaring himself a god, and when then supposedly murdered by the people for being a horrendous tyrant.
Unknown how many of these will be/are relevant, but there you have 'em.
I also felt like the technological jump in Republic City in 70 yrs was too much, but otherwise I'm really loving LoK.Poor, benighted Tenzin.
I'm still not entirely happy with the fact that they've gone from non-/pre-Industrial to automobiles and radio in 70 years (Fire Nation airships not-withstanding), but, eh. If the story's good, I'll get over it. :D
I've actually figured out what it was that was bothering me most.
It wasn't that the tech-jump happened - nope. That was a symptom, not a cause.
It was that so much of the styles we saw in the previews for the show, especially the fashions in Republic City, were so very Western. Now that I've seen more of the show and realized what was bothering me, I'm happy to put it aside and enjoy it.
Now my biggest gripe is that I'm a week behind everyone else... ;)
There's no episode this week (due to Memorial Day) so you can catch up!
RE The Tech jump: You do realize that the Real World technological revolution from the tech level of AtLA to that of LoK took approximately the same amount of time, right?
And we haven't seen Amons eyes either, Orthos. We always see him with a mask, anything below that is speculation. Those eyes might be another mask behind the first, for all we've seen.The eyes move. I wouldn't put bets on that being faked.
I could stand to be surprised though. I'd like to see more of Koh.
Honestly had not noticed that. It's what I get from watching it on the computer.
Still, like I said in three posts already, I'm just throwing silly nonsense around. You guys are lucky I'm not asking who you think is a timelord and who is Haruhi.
There's no episode this week (due to Memorial Day) so you can catch up!
Oh no! How will I get my fix?
Remember that 70 years in our world was the time span between the 1930's and the Civil War.There's no episode this week (due to Memorial Day) so you can catch up!
RE The Tech jump: You do realize that the Real World technological revolution from the tech level of AtLA to that of LoK took approximately the same amount of time, right?
Eyup.
Tarrlok you BASTARD
Tarrlok you POLITICIAN
Pretty smooth maneuvering there until the end then WTF BLOODBENDING
What the HELL and WHY CAN HE DO IT WITHOUT THE FULL MOON and HOLY AWESOME EVIL WATERBENDERS RETURN (I mean we knew he was bad from the get go but I was just assuming jerkass politician until now)
And AUGH FLASHBACK ALL OF IT HURTS
Also AWESOME CHASE SCENES ARE GO Really hope we get some more of those once the rest of the gang is out of jail