Rocks fall, you all die.
In the middle of a field.
I have to confess, I've used this as a DM. In my defense, the player in question REALLY had it coming. He took every opportunity to have his character disrupt the game and sabotage the story, and he wouldn't stop even after multiple in-game and out-of-game talks about the problem. So I had his character struck by a meteorite and obliterated (the other players were actually good with this, since the player was ruining their fun as well). He made another character who started doing the same things, so I had that character spontaneously combust. A third character tried acting likewise so I had a portal to Hell open beneath his feet. All three deaths happened in one session, though the behavior that triggered it took several sessions. The other players then unleashed an unmitigated verbal beatdown of the player, who changed his ways. Mostly.
Honestly, if his house wasn't the only place we could game at the time, we'd have just unanimously voted to boot him from the group...
pick a player who really loves his character.
Then make him kill his friends (not his loved ones), torture him to death, publicly disgrace him and trap his soul.
In my opinion there is nothing worse than to disgrace a character and deny him revenge.
Set up the PCs to kill the loved ones of other PCs.
Rape the female characters.
Why stop at the female ones?
1. Order a delicious pizza.
2. Inform the players that the rules for the pizza are as follows: Whenever a PC kills an enemy, that player gets to have a slice. When an enemy kills a PC, the GM gets a slice.
3. TPK the PCs.
What if a PC kills another PC? Do they get a slice then?
I think the worst thing a DM can do is feel that they're higher and mightier than the players and let them know it every chance you get.
In one game, the DM constantly, Constantly, played '1-up the characters' game. He felt he had to show off at every opportunity that anything you can do, he can do better, beacause he's the DM. "Oh? You're a 7th level fighter? Well, this kingdom's new recruits are 9th level fighters." "You've got 200,000gp? Well, this random NPC here makes about 3 million a year cleaning people's boots." He also optimized every encounter to negate the party's strengths and target their weaknesses, making every combat a slow and brutal grind with him laughing behind his screen at our misfortune the whole time.
I'm pretty sure that if he wasn't living in the house that we gamed at and would have refused to let any gaming happen there, (Negating everyone's games {which there were 3 of}) we would have stopped playing his game and probably thrown him out of the other games as well. (He constantly tried to play the 1-up game with fellow PC's too.)
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Had a GM that would up-play any spell, ability or item so long as it was in npc hands... But the moment a pc would gain the same, it wouldn't work the same, be signicantly weaker or the logistics of the thing would make using it impossible. That or the thing would get a serious beat-down with a nerf bat.
Plenty of glaring examples of this exist but the most noted was these chain guns carried by some npc's in TORG's Nippon setting. He'd held up his hands to show how compact the guns were. I think we were supposed to run but we beat on them with some dazzling drama deck card play. Several pc's scooped up these marvelous weapons and, he must've forgotten his size demonstration because, while trying to explain the difficulties we might have while carrying them, he held up his hands to show their size again.. But this time, they were twice as far apart...
To this day, we still joke about loot "growing as we speak" if someone says something appreciative about an npc's gear.
I'm not sure I'd be any more opposed to raping the female characters than I would be to raping the male characters...
How about mentally dominating the male PCs into gang raping the female PC? Cause, yeah, I've seen that happen unfortunately... *sigh*
The MOST EVIL think a DM can do ...
Simple. Write or run anything in his game without the goal of said material be for the enjoyment of his group. Writing encounters for ones own EGO or enjoyment is the worst mistake a DM can make. His game. His rules. But HE is there to make sure his group is having fun. I have seen far to often a DM introduce a favorite NPC, whether it be friendly or a BBEG and then refuse to let said creation be affected by the PCs. Or worse run over the PCs.
The only rule a DM needs to always keep in the back of his mind is this...
If I where a player in my game... would this be fun to encounter or do?
If not scrap it and move on.
Thats my 2 copper.
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Probably the worst is when a GM decides to structure a game in such a way as to 'teach someone a lesson,' such as to punish a paladin player for making a choice that goes against the GMs personal beliefs. "Yeah, you saved the goblin children, and they grow up to attack and eat all the other kids in the orphanage you built, because they can't be redeemed, you namby-pamby liberal!"
That was by far the most atrocious example, but seriously, every time my character tried to resolve things peacefully or in a "more good aligned way" in blew up in her face and turned out worse than if she / the party had just walked in and killed everything. Every time.
I eventually quit the game because much as I enjoyed reading the Marquis de Sade's Justine, I had no desire to play her in a game. :(
Cripes.
Seriously, @#$% that noise. Freakin' misery porn GMs...
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I'm not sure I'd be any more opposed to raping the female characters than I would be to raping the male characters...How about mentally dominating the male PCs into gang raping the female PC? Cause, yeah, I've seen that happen unfortunately... *sigh*
I trust the GM in question has been properly ostracized.
I think the most evil thing a DM ever did was keep running my PC as an NPC when I quit his game -- and of course he had the new NPC/former PC do things I would never have done with that character. Any thoughts of rejoining his game went out the window when I heard about that. It didn't help that the reason I quit his game was that player actions never seemed to matter in the first place.
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I'm not sure I'd be any more opposed to raping the female characters than I would be to raping the male characters...How about mentally dominating the male PCs into gang raping the female PC? Cause, yeah, I've seen that happen unfortunately... *sigh*
I have had a few DMs try this raping/torturing crap and I just stopped them right there. That was not the game I came to play. I like my games lighthearted and heroic. All but one of them backed down when called on it. The other one I just tore up my character and left the game (at a convention).
Evil, eh? Alright.
As GM, tell your players to create the most powerful characters they can imagine, no limits, for an epic game you're planning. They can use any material they want.
On game day, ask for all their character sheets, pass them their new sheets (a party of level one kobolds) and tell them that they must defend their warren homes from invading god-beings.
You're a mad genius.
I'm not sure I'd be any more opposed to raping the female characters than I would be to raping the male characters...How about mentally dominating the male PCs into gang raping the female PC? Cause, yeah, I've seen that happen unfortunately... *sigh*
That is, uh, pretty dang awful.
I try not to rain on anyone's parade, or tell'em how to game/run a game, but wow. That's the wrong way to run a game.
one of the few wrong ways i can think of, actually.
That's just freaking atrocious. Tell me you never, ever played with this guy again?
Once my brother and I were at a local Con. There was a 1st edition game going on, Land Beyond the Magic Mirror, IIFC. My brother and I spent like an hour and half rolling up level appropriate characters. The DM starts the game and we get placed falling into the LBMM. We loose all of our stuff that we had just randomly rolled for an hour and grabbed things we couldn't use/
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I'm not sure I'd be any more opposed to raping the female characters than I would be to raping the male characters...How about mentally dominating the male PCs into gang raping the female PC? Cause, yeah, I've seen that happen unfortunately... *sigh*
This too can be subjected to total role-reversal (ever hear of strap-ons?), but it's still totally wrong no matter which way you twist it.
Tell them it was all a dream.
Make them believe that they're getting ready for a combat oriented dungeon crawl, then bait switch them into a game of political intrigue making sure to constantly promise "the real action" will come soon.
Tell them it was all a dream.
Had a screwed up dm do that a few years ago for an entire branch. At the start of the first session had us all roll, functionally, will saves and every single person failed with no obvious effect. Six sessions later we discover we'd been had. We were not pleased.
Tell them it was all a dream.Had a screwed up dm do that a few years ago for an entire branch. At the start of the first session had us all roll, functionally, will saves and every single person failed with no obvious effect. Six sessions later we discover we'd been had. We were not pleased.
Did you lose all the XP accumulation for those six sessions!?
Finding out that six games were nothing, but a waste of time; I may well walk out on a GM who did that to me.
We lost everything, including exp, down to the displacer beast kittens we found and the ranger was trying desperately to raise as good and loyal critters. It was a sad day. Years later most of us think of it as a good joke, at the time not so much. Harsh words were spoken, metal dice were thrown at a head, we lost a player.
Tell them it was all a dream.
I once had a DM who did that just cause he didn't know where to go with his game.
Luckily, we didn't lose any XP. Or oddly, the gear we'd acquired...
I got one for you guys. I'm invited to play in a D&D game, and asked to roll 5th level PCs. I roll a female human wizard. During the game, it turns out that there is supposedly some vampire in the town and we're supposed to be investigating it and such. Having determined that splitting up would be a very bad idea, I returned to the inn from the stables because it was getting dark, and went to see one of the other PCs.
Turns out that the vampire was in the room with the other PC, and it was all dark and stuff. I muttered a simple light spell before entering, and suddenly get hit by some sort of super-high Will save, and my PC ends up getting dominated/paralyzed; at which point she is sodomized by the vampire. While my PC is literally taking it up the @$$, I'm sitting there like .
"If she gets out of this alive, she will never forget this indignity, and will vow to kill this vampire a thousand times over..." is more or less my response, as I'm trying to be calm about the situation.
The GM rolls some dice behind his screen and says "Actually, no, she really likes it."
I did not make the next session.
...I'm sitting there like .
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I did not make the next session.
How are you doing that?
Even if it was a dream, would you not still have learned from the experiences you encountered?
He didn't think so. I can kind of seeing that point even though I personally disagree as it sets a nasty precedent. Party illusionist decides that the fighter needs more exp and makes an ogre or two.
@Ashiel. GM rolled to determine enjoyment? That crap on a first game on a new member to the group. Sounds like you were being hazed.
How are you doing that?...I'm sitting there like .
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I did not make the next session.
You do it like this: ಠ_ಠ
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How are you doing that?...I'm sitting there like .
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I did not make the next session.
Doing what exactly? σ_σ
Nah, just kidding. There's a lot of unique symbols you can make on a computer. Most versions of windows have a keypad in accessories which let you use all sorts of symbols. Unfortunately, my windows lacks that keypad thingy, but all the symbols are still technically there. Many of them are useful for making emotes. Most (maybe even all) can me typed manually using the alt + number pad. Alternatively, you can check this list of emoticons and just copy-paste. Here's a list of alt codes as well.
@Ashiel. GM rolled to determine enjoyment? That crap on a first game on a new member to the group. Sounds like you were being hazed.
You'd think that. I just think he was a terrible GM all the way around. Somehow I think he was doing it as some sort of bizarre flirting with the girl to my left, who is a friend of mine and crazy into vampires, and she apparently was amused by it and wanted to become a vampire and get in on the action...
He also admitted to being the type to fudge rolls for NPCs, and even said he would deny a druid their baleful polymorph if he didn't feel it was thematic for the scene, and a dragon would never be turned into a bunny because that's just not cool.
I have no been involved in a game that he was GMing more or less out of principle again. I have better things to do, like carving staffs, washing my hair, or reading the forums. I used to say D&D was like sex and pizza. Any is better than none, right? But so wrong I was, because his games are like the sad lonely sort of pizza that is moldy, and just similar enough to make you remember what you're missing, leaving you crying alone in a corner for what you could have had, but you feel cheap and dirty for accepting the first rotten moldy pizza that came along...or something like that.
My laptop doesn't have a number pad and my Windows 7 doesn't appear to have a keypad in accessories. I'm familiar with alt codes, but never understood how people got them to work (couldn't even find a tutorial online when I searched).
My laptop doesn't have a number pad and my Windows 7 doesn't appear to have a keypad in accessories. I'm familiar with alt codes, but never understood how people got them to work (couldn't even find a tutorial online when I searched).
Hold the "alt" key. Then press the associated numbers on your number pad (you can use the onscreen keyboard which can be found in your Accessibilities folder which should be found where your Accessories folder is found). So if I hold alt and press 2, 2, 9, then release alt, I get "σ". So making the emoticon I used in my reply is "alt+229"_"alt+229", resulting in σ_σ.
So rape is a common reoccurring thing in other people's campaigns?
Hold the "alt" key. Then press the associated numbers on your number pad (you can use the onscreen keyboard which can be found in your Accessibilities folder which should be found where your Accessories folder is found). So if I hold alt and press 2, 2, 9, then release alt, I get "σ". So making the emoticon I used in my reply is "alt+229"_"alt+229", resulting in σ_σ.
Alt-ernatively (see what I did there), pull up Word or Writer, something with an Insert Character/Symbol command and dig into the Greek letters it's almost sure to have. Those eyes are the lower-case letter sigma, which is the 18th letter of the Greek alphabet.
So rape is a common reoccurring thing in other people's campaigns?
I had a brush with it at a tournament game, of all places, with a female paladin and a bunch of bandits. It didn't even happen, and still I was physically shaking afterwards. After that the likelihood of me ever having it happen to one of my players went from...well, from a pretty firm zero to an absolute zero.
I could understand a group dealing with that kind of encounter for the sake of the big payoff (bringing harsh, violent justice to the rapist) but generally speaking it's higher emotional stakes than I'm comfortable with in a game.
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Is this evil?
In a d6 Star Wars game 20+ years ago, we picked up where we left Off the previous session... The pc's dropped out of hyperspace at their destination only to find a Star Destroyer already there. Panic ensued. They started calculating a new jump but the Star Destroyer was bearing down on them and launching fighters.
The TIEs engage the pc's ship and an early hit coincidentally knocks out the hyperdrive. With no backup, they do their best to fend off the TIEs while making a run at the planet they were originally headed for.
Its no good. They're taking too much damage and the Star Destroyer is taking long range shots at them... Then the final hit comes. They make Survival rolls to reach the escape pod itime and jettison just before the ship explodes... But the Star Destroyer, simply coasts up to the drifting pod and casually blasts it with turbo lasers.
*boom* million points of light. Players mouths agape.
I shake my head and say, "i can't believe none of you realized..."
One of them asks, "Realized what?"
"Its April 1st.... April Fools! Your shipmdrops safely out of hyperspace... There's no Star Destroyer... Just empty space anf the planet you were looking for."
Last year was the first game session that fell on April 1 since. They were all ready! My April Foolery was that there was none. They were so paranoid, it really wasn't necessary.
I was once a guest player in another group's game, where I found to my surprise that bodily dismemberment was a common trope, particularly where genitalia were concerned.
In a non-roleplaying situation, I was speaking to a friend about a hypothetical situation involving rape. He leaped over the table at me and tried to knock me out with a right hook.
Apparently he had been a victim of abuse (not rape, but abuse just the same) and didn't appreciate that I could talk about such things so calmly.
Therefore I caution any GM against including such things in their games. You simply never know when it might effect one of your players on a personal level, possibly causing them to lash out, or otherwise take extreme offense.
To some people, such topics are not "fun" and should never be considered a means of entertainment, even as far as "roleplaying" is concerned.
I think rape within the game is fine as long as you're not doing it to your pcs.
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That was by far the most atrocious example, but seriously, every time my character tried to resolve things peacefully or in a "more good aligned way" in blew up in her face and turned out worse than if she / the party had just walked in and killed everything. Every time.
I eventually quit the game because much as I enjoyed reading the Marquis de Sade's Justine, I had no desire to play her in a game. :(Cripes.
Seriously, @#$% that noise. Freakin' misery porn GMs...
What Mikaze said. On target.
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Just a fews things that have happened in campaign over the years...some of these I've played, some of them I GM'ed.........
A character returns home after a year adventuring to save the world, his wife is pregnant, everyone is sniggering at him.......when it's born it's a half orc.....
The female PC's don't really seem to "get" how nasty the bad guy is, and don't seem motivated enough about stopping him.......The next session a few small children are graphically murdered by the bad guy.......The descriptions of the small children bear a remarkable resemblance to the female PC's own children.....
The party is trapped in a castle under siege.... A couple of the player's decide to be "evil" but in as petty a way as possible, and blackmail a pregnant maid that they know that the father of her child is not her husband.........To teach them that evil actions have consequences, she committs suicide, leaves a note pointing the finger at the PC's, when the husband (a really popular NPC) reads the note he throws himself off the battlements.......
Low level party ........ night out....... STD.......
The party is trying to escape the dungeon of the dark king...now collapsing after the dark King has been slain............They can see the exit........They can reach the exit..........but not whilst they are encumbered by the Dark King's treasure.........A true moral dilemma for the players, do they risk death to try and save the loot?........needless to say it was a TPK
...........The players have suffered a TPK only a short way into a plot line (by being stupid)......They re-roll new characters and are introduced to the patron, who hired the TPK party and it going to hire the new party........Long lecture on how stupid and worthless his previous hired party was, and how you just can't get decent help these days..........
I'm not so sure that any of these examples really qualifies as the GM being evil... some of these lessons need to be taught...
I think rape within the game is fine as long as you're not doing it to your pcs.
And when someone in the group happens to be a survivor of rape or other sexual abuse? This is the sort of thing that needs to be carefully sounded-out before it gets included, no matter who the target(s) are, PC or NPC.
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"If she gets out of this alive, she will never forget this indignity, and will vow to kill this vampire a thousand times over..." is more or less my response, as I'm trying to be calm about the situation.
The GM rolls some dice behind his screen and says "Actually, no, she really likes it."
I did not make the next session.
umm, yeah. I might have had the same reaction you did. I'd definitely quit playing in any of that GM's games. It's quite likely however that I would have walked out of the game immediately after that "she really likes it" remark from the GM and never returned-- and if he/she was stupid enough at that point to try to stop me (other than verbally, which would only result in nasty words being said in return, while exiting)-- yeah, do not try to put your hands on the ex-soldier with known PTSD issues when he's clearly upset and looks like he wants to kill something...
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So rape is a common reoccurring thing in other people's campaigns?
No, not common. It's something that occasionally comes up, in some of the games I've played in, usually in serious games and under particular circumstances where it's appropriate to the setting and what's going on... and then is very very carefully handled in play, without graphic detail. Most of the games where it was something that might come up were not D&D or PF (except if you consider 'rape' coming up as the characters rescuing or helping NPCs who had been raped before the PCs got on the scene, which is a little more common-- but still, no, not a common thing in the game).