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I don't HAVE a local FLGS, so nyah. I get my Paizo stuff (and my used 3E/3.5 stuff) off Amazon.
I did buy my Pathfinder Core Rulebook and Bestiary 1 at a FLGS, but then they went out of business. I got my Advanced Players Guide at Barnes and Noble. Everything else, I got online.
Kelsey, if I remember correctly you have posted in a past thread that you lived in or near Aurora, CO? If so there is an FLGS resonably close called Troll Country Games. Their kinda small right now but are growing and are great about ordering in anything they don't have in stock.
Kelsey, if I remember correctly you have posted in a past thread that you lived in or near Aurora, CO? If so there is an FLGS resonably close called Troll Country Games. Their kinda small right now but are growing and are great about ordering in anything they don't have in stock.I don't HAVE a local FLGS, so nyah. I get my Paizo stuff (and my used 3E/3.5 stuff) off Amazon.
I did buy my Pathfinder Core Rulebook and Bestiary 1 at a FLGS, but then they went out of business. I got my Advanced Players Guide at Barnes and Noble. Everything else, I got online.
That's about two and a half hours away from where I live. Not too far, I suppose, if I wanted something fast.
I do, however, hear that Missoula, Montana is a major gaming city, and I'm moving over there next week, so maybe I'll have a FLGS to shop at. Hopefully one that sells used materiel. I buy a LOT of used out of print books, so if they carry them they may get my business.
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I agree. Here (Serbia), there's no legal ratifications AT ALL. Everybody's free to download what they want. That's one of the reasons there are a whole bunch of protests around Europe against the ACTA.
I can't really argue that this isn't a reason against the protest - even if I think that pirates would find a way to avoid it and continue - at least in Germany, the protesters mostly fight for their rights.
EDIT: And I would hate it, if someone prevented me from accessing this wonderful site, just because someone in homebrew made a variant that might cross the line between fair use and breach. But well that's one of the complaints, they could shut you down without giving you the chance to explain yourself.
Back to the topic: Paizo gives us a lot of free material every month, and I personally love sites like D20pfsrd. So if you just want access to the rules (something usefull for my players without access to my books) there is really no reason to resort to piracy. It's wrong AND completely useless.
And since I want to support Paizo and the distributor of the german version http://www.ulisses-spiele.de I will continue to buy everything I can get my hands on - (I already have the english Beginners Box, but getting the german version would at the very least give me more Tokens^^)
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In Germany there also is a problem with FLGS, most of them close because of high housing prices and other similar problems.
You in the US may also be used to be monitored by CIA, FBI, Departement of Homeland Security and the billion other agencies you have. Also you seem to have no problem with some business conglomerates knowing all the private data about you.
While people in Europe normally don´t actively support piracy, most don´t like US capitalism and so called neo-liberalism. People in europe arguing for such laws tend to come from a neo-liberalistic background and have strong ties to some corporate sector who strongly profit from such laws, often in a very direct financial way.
In Poland, the scale and magnitude of anti-ACTA protests led me to the conclusion that my fellow countrymen consider the ability to torrent movies, series, games and music a god-given right which they will fight for more fervently than against tax increases, budget cuts or aggressive reforms.
I know that wasn't the intention of the post, but this made me laugh. :D
In Germany there also is a problem with FLGS, most of them close because of high housing prices and other similar problems.
You in the US may also be used to be monitored by CIA, FBI, Departement of Homeland Security and the billion other agencies you have. Also you seem to have no problem with some business conglomerates knowing all the private data about you.
While people in Europe normally don´t actively support piracy, most don´t like US capitalism and so called neo-liberalism. People in europe arguing for such laws tend to come from a neo-liberalistic background and have strong ties to some corporate sector who strongly profit from such laws, often in a very direct financial way.
Yea, US style capitalism sucks. The rich get to make all the political decisions, because some geniuses in SCOTUS decided to go ahead and make it all right to bribe everybody in congress and give the rich a massive advantage in elections. Not to mention those geniuses who got rid of the anti-trust laws, which is why this whole FLGS situation is going on. It is legal for a couple big companies to crush all the small businesses by being so big they can offer prices and stocks smaller guys can't. Land of freedom and opportunity my ass.
Can we have Trust Buster Teddy Roosevelt back now? Please?
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While I appreciate that every discussion of PDF piracy inevitably ends in a geopolitical roundtable decrying the ills with modern capitalism and attendant discussion of the plusses and minuses of particular nation-states and their approaches to having a functioning entertainment industry and/or people's ability to eat, live indoors and get quality medical care, maybe we can take this type of thing back to off-topic where it belongs?
I'm still interested in the legal ability of leaving PDFs in one's will or estate.
It should follow regular property laws, so I would think that you should be able to leave them to a single recipient. Although, as always, you should likely consult a lawyer when drawing up a will.
Won't it depend on whether you have a license or ownership?
I thought that was the whole point of the WoTC PDF pulling debacle - people thought they'd bought something when they'd actually only purchased a temporary, revocable license.
I think there'd be lots of problems if they're seen as a property right. As Gorbacz pondered, can one trade one's paizo account? If so, what's to stop someone buying an account for a nominal fee, printing out one copy for personal use (as allowed under Paizo's FAQ), then selling the account to the next person in the group for the same nominal fee?
I'd be interested in Paizo's view on inheritability and other such issues - I'm unlikely to leave my PDF collection to anyone, but I could potentially sell them. More pertinently, I'd like to be able to sell some of them, but I just can't see it being practical - provide a little leeway and I suspect there'll be a flood of illegal activity.
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P.S. Paizo, if you can't include the pdf's when you buy a print edition in a store, then you should consider printing a one-time discount code for them in each book, or ship them with codes to be handed out by the store at purchase..
Vic Wertz has a couple of posts where he lays out why this isn't feasible currently. I think it is in this thread and here and here.
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I do, however, hear that Missoula, Montana is a major gaming city, and I'm moving over there next week, so maybe I'll have a FLGS to shop at. Hopefully one that sells used materiel. I buy a LOT of used out of print books, so if they carry them they may get my business.
Not often you see "major city" and "Montana" in the same sentence.
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I'm still interested in the legal ability of leaving PDFs in one's will or estate.It should follow regular property laws, so I would think that you should be able to leave them to a single recipient. Although, as always, you should likely consult a lawyer when drawing up a will.
I believe that the legal standing of this is still in the process of being tested. Have a look at this article.
Frankly, it's a legal can of worms that I don't particularly want to be the first one to open. Our policy is that we're providing PDFs—and Paizo accounts in general—for personal use only.
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Hmm. Thats an interesting read. And makes me think of a related question: what are the actual legal rights of a spouse when it comes to PDF use?
Generally it is assumed in a marriage that what belongs to one belongs to the other, but if it was to eventually be ruled that PDFs and other electronic files are not estate properties you can pass on to someone else, are you in legal murkiness when your spouse uses them or copies them.
Likewise, I share my passwords pretty freely with my wife, but is that technically a violation of the terms of the agreement you make with electronic distributors?
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Hmm. Thats an interesting read. And makes me think of a related question: what are the actual legal rights of a spouse when it comes to PDF use?
Generally it is assumed in a marriage that what belongs to one belongs to the other, but if it was to eventually be ruled that PDFs and other electronic files are not estate properties you can pass on to someone else, are you in legal murkiness when your spouse uses them or copies them.
Likewise, I share my passwords pretty freely with my wife, but is that technically a violation of the terms of the agreement you make with electronic distributors?
I'm really not comfortable with this type of discussion. We could spend a bunch of money getting a lawyer to write up what effectively amounts to a license for using our PDFs and strict Terms of Use for paizo.com, and then we can spend a bunch of time trying to enforce the letter of that law... or we could do what we're doing now, and just ask that people be reasonable and don't share their PDFs with the general public. The latter course of option provides less protection for Paizo, but in the end, I think it's a better experience for our customers. So let's all just all not do anything that makes Paizo *need* to codify this crap.
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I'm really not comfortable with this type of discussion. We could spend a bunch of money getting a lawyer to write up what effectively amounts to a license for using our PDFs and strict Terms of Use for paizo.com, and then we can spend a bunch of time trying to enforce the letter of that law... or we could do what we're doing now, and just ask that people be reasonable and don't share their PDFs with the general public. The latter course of option provides less protection for Paizo, but in the end, I think it's a better experience for our customers. So let's all just all not do anything that makes Paizo *need* to codify this crap.Hmm. Thats an interesting read. And makes me think of a related question: what are the actual legal rights of a spouse when it comes to PDF use?
Generally it is assumed in a marriage that what belongs to one belongs to the other, but if it was to eventually be ruled that PDFs and other electronic files are not estate properties you can pass on to someone else, are you in legal murkiness when your spouse uses them or copies them.
Likewise, I share my passwords pretty freely with my wife, but is that technically a violation of the terms of the agreement you make with electronic distributors?
I really like that stance, and I hope that it will serve Paizo well.
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It needs to be easier to see.
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I'm really not comfortable with this type of discussion. We could spend a bunch of money getting a lawyer to write up what effectively amounts to a license for using our PDFs and strict Terms of Use for paizo.com, and then we can spend a bunch of time trying to enforce the letter of that law... or we could do what we're doing now, and just ask that people be reasonable and don't share their PDFs with the general public. The latter course of option provides less protection for Paizo, but in the end, I think it's a better experience for our customers. So let's all just all not do anything that makes Paizo *need* to codify this crap.
Cheers, Vic. Seems very reasonable.
We should treat you right and you'll treat us right and nobody has to give a lawyer any money, which is always a good thing (all due apologies to Gorbacz and co).
Somehow I thought you were a constitutional lawyer. Did I make that up?
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Yeah, I am actually more of an academic and a teacher (academic teacher folks, no children are being harmed by my vitriolic snark in everyday life) than a practising lawyer, but I do get to write "practical" stuff every once in a while.
What I am NOT is an expert on labour law ("how many days of sick leave have I left this year?"), which none of my friends seem to understand...
Heh, I sympathise. I administer retirement funds which is all compliance, lodgement of forms and accounting stuff - most parties I go to these days involve lots of conversations beginning "What's happening with the stockmarket?" then lots of eye glazing when I tell them what I actually know about.
And here I found the perfect thread to post this in, but I was late to the party...
I just go ahead post it anyways, 'cause it's sfw.
I know this is an old thread, but I'm having a hard time finding an answer. I just bought a PDF Bundle with a bunch of RGG products. I already owned several, but the price was too good to pass up (90% off). I don't really need multiple copies of the same PDF on multiple sites. Is there a way to gift the copies I already owned? I'm sure someone would like them.
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I did a kickstarter once for a Rite Publishing product and part of the reward included a few products I already had. All I did was speak with the company and they gave a couple of my players the PDFs instead, which was really cool of them. I would say ask the company directly and see what they think. Worst case they say no and you're no worse off than you are now.
Removed a post. Please don't discuss methods of pirating on our forums.
But, but, You're totally selling 101 Pirate and Privateer Traits, So What's the Pirate Ship Like Anyways?, and Book of Magic: Pirate Spells in the store! Surly we're allowed to talk about that kind of piracy?
I know this is an old thread, but I'm having a hard time finding an answer. I just bought a PDF Bundle with a bunch of RGG products. I already owned several, but the price was too good to pass up (90% off). I don't really need multiple copies of the same PDF on multiple sites. Is there a way to gift the copies I already owned? I'm sure someone would like them.
RGG as in Rogue Genius Games? Someone call Owen for his opinion!
I'll send a message to RGG games then. Thanks.
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(all due apologies to Gorbacz and co).No biggie. Got injured in an accident? Mistreated in a hospital? Cheated on insurance? My phone number is...
1-800-TOOF-BAG?