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My collegues, if you'll refer to the slides, I think you'll discover the size increase from huge in 3.5 to gargantuan in PF granted an unexpected benifit to the tyrannosaurus. According to the universal monster rules for swallow whole, "Unless otherwise noted, the opponent can be up to one size category Smaller than the swallowing creature." in the entry for the tyrannosaurus, there is no such noted limiter.
Gentlefolk, I trust you can all see what this means.
It can now swallow a triceratops whole. Or an ankylosaur. Or any hadrosaur.
Dear gods, what have we done?!
Our only hope is to equip every Parasaurolophus in Pathfinder with poisonous back spines to poison this monstrosity from the inside out, so we can curtail its swallowing rampage throughout all of the duckbilled dinosaurs and ankylosaurs of Golarion! (The triceratopses will be okay, their horns count as light piercing weapons.)
Or we could just say the Tyrannosaurus's swallow whole only works on creatures three times smaller than it (or maybe two.)
I think what the OP was saying is that because the TRex was made bigger, it is now one size category larger than the others and can swallow them whole.
Fantasy T-rex, so let it be, it isn't flying a F-14...
...yet.
Are F-14s Colossal?
Yes, that's what I meant... I was mostly trying to be playful.
Personally, I think the Fantasy T-Rex is still better having epic battles with other enormous dinosaurs, like triceratops and ankylosaur and tearing them apart, rather than swallowing them whole like some gargantuan, reptilian, bipedal frog; but that's me.
This should not be taken to indicate any slight against frogs. They have their own groove. But a tyrannosaurus's should be bone-crushing jaws and teeth.
Actually, now that I think about it, it's more like a titanic Yoshi.
A realistic Tyrannosaurus should be Huge, but it's fun to see a Gargantuan fantasy T-Rex. . .
I know! Regular T-Rex is Huge, Dire Tyrannosaurus is Gargantuan! I think I'll go with that as a house rule if it ever comes up.
A realistic Tyrannosaurus should be Huge, but it's fun to see a Gargantuan fantasy T-Rex. . .
I know! Regular T-Rex is Huge, Dire Tyrannosaurus is Gargantuan! I think I'll go with that as a house rule if it ever comes up.
Actually, when I brought the size change up in an old Pathfinder Bestiary thread here, James Jacobs rather kindly and eloquently gave an inside look at the reasons the tyrannosaurus went through its size changes. Not the least reason was that technically, 40+ feet in length does fall within the huge size category, even if a lot of it is tail (32 to 64 feet long is typical gargantuan.) On the other hand, 7.5 tons is really light for a gargantuan, but I don't think size categories are an exact science.
That said, most of the reason I'm attempting to be facetious in my posts is that I don't think the idea behind the change involved changing the way the default Pathfinder tyrannosaurus interacts with its default prey; hadrosaurs, ceratopsins, ankylosaurs, and other huge animals... ie, it crushes them a lot with its intense bite and then tears chunks off their corpses.
I think ruling the tyrannosaurus can only swallow whole creatures two sizes smaller than it patches my image of thrilling dinosaur fights up nicely.
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Are F-14s Colossal?Fantasy T-rex, so let it be, it isn't flying a F-14...
...yet.
The sad truth is, I actually went to Wikipedia to look up the dimensions.
Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Intercept Officer)
Length: 62 ft 9 in (19.1 m)
Wingspan:Spread: 64 ft (19.55 m)
Swept: 38 ft (11.58 m)Height: 16 ft (4.88 m)
Wing area: 565 ft² (54.5 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 64A209.65 mod root, 64A208.91 mod tip
Empty weight: 43,735 lb (19,838 kg)
Loaded weight: 61,000 lb (27,700 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 74,350 lb (33,720 kg)
The size tables suggest Gargantuan as 32'-64' and 32,000-250,000 lb. and Colossal as 64' and up, and 250,000 lb. and up, so they'd probably be on the Gargantuan side of the line, though a case might be made.
Thus concludes one of the geekiest things I have ever posted.
Well, darn.
I mistyped in there and again, it's too late to edit it. What I meant to say was "Not the least reason was that technically, 40+ feet in length does fall within the Gargantuan* size category, even if a lot of it is tail (32 to 64 feet long is typical gargantuan.)"
*not Huge.
Are F-14s Colossal?Fantasy T-rex, so let it be, it isn't flying a F-14...
...yet.The sad truth is, I actually went to Wikipedia to look up the dimensions.
Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Intercept Officer)
Length: 62 ft 9 in (19.1 m)
Wingspan:Spread: 64 ft (19.55 m)
Swept: 38 ft (11.58 m)Height: 16 ft (4.88 m)
Wing area: 565 ft² (54.5 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 64A209.65 mod root, 64A208.91 mod tip
Empty weight: 43,735 lb (19,838 kg)
Loaded weight: 61,000 lb (27,700 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 74,350 lb (33,720 kg)The size tables suggest Gargantuan as 32'-64' and 32,000-250,000 lb. and Colossal as 64' and up, and 250,000 lb. and up, so they'd probably be on the Gargantuan side of the line, though a case might be made.
Thus concludes one of the geekiest things I have ever posted.
So....no?
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