Spellstrike + Mounted Charge + Shocking Grasp + Lance

[reika michiko]

My question is,

"Since Shocking grasp is considered a weapon and can be crit multiplied, is there a way to use spellstrike while charging on a mount on your lance. And if so, would the damage from the shocking grasp be x2 multiplied like the rest of the lance's damage (x3 if spirited charge)?"

According to the mounted casting rules you decide to cast before or after movement.

[Maxximilius]

Charge and spellstrike are their own actions (full-round ; and depending on the casting time of the spell) if I'm not mistaken, so this wouldn't work.

[ShadowcatX]

I would say no. Spell strike is only multiplied on a crit and only up to double damage.

Maxximilius wrote:

Charge and spellstrike are their own actions (full-round ; and depending on the casting time of the spell) if I'm not mistaken, so this wouldn't work.

This is an interesting interpretation. But there's nothing preventing the magus from holding the charge then charging in your interpretation.

[reika michiko]

That stinks, Kinda reminded me of Ky Kiske from Guilty Gear, would've been fun to lightning charge people XD

[Talonhawke]

you can still do so but you just dont get bonus damage unless you crit.

[Matt Stich]

Maxximilius wrote:

Charge and spellstrike are their own actions (full-round ; and depending on the casting time of the spell) if I'm not mistaken, so this wouldn't work.

Can't you spellstrike a held charge?

[Starglim]

Matt Stich wrote:

Maxximilius wrote:

Charge and spellstrike are their own actions (full-round ; and depending on the casting time of the spell) if I'm not mistaken, so this wouldn't work.

Can't you spellstrike a held charge?

It's unclear. The way I'd put it is that you can hold a charge on your lance after using Spellstrike, but others interpret the ability differently. It has the same result - the magus must cast shocking grasp as a standard action in one round, then charge as a full-round action the next.

[Doorhandle]

Not that there's much point to it other than looking awesome. If I recall correctly, spell strike only let's you use a higher critical threat chance and not a higher crit modifier.

[reika michiko]

Doorhandle wrote:

Not that there's much point to it other than looking awesome. If I recall correctly, spell strike only let's you use a higher critical threat chance and not a higher crit modifier.

Oh i think your confusing what I'm saying.

Im not trying to CRIT the spell, I just want the x3 damage you get for charging with spirited charge + lance.

[ShadowDax]

I think Maxximilius is right. It takes a full round action to charge. It takes a standard action to cast a spell but you can not charge after it. You would be able to walk up to the creature and then spellstrike as per the rules in the core rule book and the rules for the magus. You wouldn't be charging after you cast a spell. Move after the spell normaly then as a free action spellstrike.

[Ravingdork]

Good thing the rider doesn't use an action to charge, his mount does.

I don't see why a magus rider couldn't activate Spellstrike while his mount charges (though he would have to make a Concentration check for the turbulence).

Mounted Charge Rules:

If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge).

[Canoy]

Ravingdork wrote:

Good thing the rider doesn't use an action to charge, his mount does.

I don't see why a magus rider couldn't activate Spellstrike while his mount charges (though he would have to make a Concentration check for the turbulence).

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The problem with that is that the Spirited Charge rules state that you have to use the charge action to get the bonus, which is a standard action. But holding the spell from a previous round might work, depending on your interpretation.

[Ravingdork]

Canoy wrote:

Ravingdork wrote:

Good thing the rider doesn't use an action to charge, his mount does.

I don't see why a magus rider couldn't activate Spellstrike while his mount charges (though he would have to make a Concentration check for the turbulence).

** spoiler omitted **

The problem with that is that the Spirited Charge rules state that you have to use the charge action to get the bonus, which is a standard action. But holding the spell from a previous round might work, depending on your interpretation.

Fortunately for us the Spirited Charge feat doesn't govern mounted charges. The Mounted Charge rules do.

[NeverNever]

Interesting, I'm not fully decided but I'm leaning towards Ravingdork here.

Further the ability too cast a touch spell through a attack is not actually required to be during a full attack action, spell strike the level 2 magus ability is what does that and all it says is:-

Spoiler:

"At 2nd level, whenever a magus casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack. Instead of the free melee touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, a magus can make one free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack bonus) as part of casting this spell. If successful, this melee attack deals its normal damage as well as the effects of the spell. If the magus makes this attack in concert with spell combat, this melee attack takes all the penalties accrued by spell combat melee attacks. This attack uses the weapon’s critical range (20, 19–20, or 18–20 and modified by the keen weapon property or similar effects), but the spell effect only deals ×2 damage on a successful critical hit, while the weapon damage uses its own critical modifier."

So theoretically, if mounted and the magus used spell strike too channel the spell as an attack after the mount charged he'd gain all the benefits of charging on that attack. Whether the shocking grasp gains x3 damage though is a bit more iffy.

[NeverNever]

This does raise another interesting question, With mounted skirmisher does a character charging essentially get too make a full attack and gain the benefits of charging on his first attack after his mount charges, or all his attacks, aka like pounce? I'd say only the first attack but it could go either way.

[reika michiko]

Thanks guys for posting.