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They can be metallic, chromatic, or some other category, so long as they are true dragons. I want to make more of them, and I'm eager for ideas. When finished, I will post them here.
how about multi headed dragons. i cant remember but i dont think there are 2 headed dragons printed up in pathfinder. i suddenly get the image of the 2 headed dragon from willow.
Do you have the Draconomicon, Dragons of Faerun, or Dragons of Eberron?
The 3.5 Monster manuals introduced more dragons in each one (except MM5 I think)
I have one 3.5 Monster Manual (The first one), a used copy Draconimicon is on my Christmas list and I'll probably end up getting it (I'm careful not to put too much on my list, so I've gotten everything on it the last few years), and I do not have Dragons of Faerun or Dragons of Eberron.
Multiheaded dragons? Why, yes. I could do that.
check out primal or elemental dragons (Beastiary II)
Also: OGL Dragons
There was a dungeonmaster dragon in the Tome of Horrors....
The Draconimicon does contain some the dragons from faerun, but not all of them.
MM2 had gem dragons
MM3 none
MM4 has The Spawn of Tiamat
MM5 none.
a Multi-head dragon, it sounds like a hydra.
The Draconimicon does contain some the dragons from faerun, but not all of them.
MM2 had gem dragons
MM3 none
MM4 has The Spawn of Tiamat
MM5 none.a Multi-head dragon, it sounds like a hydra.
Hydras dont have wings and multi headed dragons dont regrow heads :)
Hydras dont have wings and multi headed dragons don't regrow heads :)The Draconimicon does contain some the dragons from faerun, but not all of them.
MM2 had gem dragons
MM3 none
MM4 has The Spawn of Tiamat
MM5 none.a Multi-head dragon, it sounds like a hydra.
true,
but when creating or modifing a monster the lines are less distinct.You could look at it as a multi-headed dragon or a Hydra with wings.
I own Oriental Adventures, which has some extra true dragons.
The thing is, I'm not planning on blowing a lot of money on new books right now. I want to homebrew some dragons.
The word Orange Dragon has popped into my head, as has Violet Dragon. What would you guys suggest as attributes for these new additions to the ranks of the chromatic dragons?
You could look at it as a multi-headed dragon or a Hydra with wings.
I think I can make it sufficiently different, what with the draconic intellect and magic abilities and only having two heads.
Before ending in the Monster Manual 2, the Gem Dragons were released as a free Web Enhancement for the Psionics Handbook, and can still be downloaded here:
More Psionic Monsters
For a two headed dragon (or a three headed King Ghidorah), there is a multiheaded template in the Savage Species that was first presented in this post on the WotC site:
Two Heads Are Better Than One . . . and Three Are Better Than Two
And just to add to Azure_Zero's list of true dragons in third edition:
Fiend Folio: None.
Monsters of Faerun: Brown, Deep, Fang, Shadow and Song dragons.
DragonLance Bestiary of Krynn Revised: Amphi, Aquatic, Fire, Frost and Gray dragons.
Ravenloft Denizens of Dread: None.
Before ending in the Monster Manual 2, the Gem Dragons were released as a free Web Enhancement for the Psionics Handbook, and can still be downloaded here:
More Psionic MonstersFor a two headed dragon (or a three headed King Ghidorah), there is a multiheaded template in the Savage Species that was first presented in this post on the WotC site:
Two Heads Are Better Than One . . . and Three Are Better Than TwoAnd just to add to Azure_Zero's list of true dragons in third edition:
Fiend Folio: None.
Monsters of Faerun: Brown, Deep, Fang, Shadow and Song dragons.
DragonLance Bestiary of Krynn Revised: Amphi, Aquatic, Fire, Frost and Gray dragons.
Ravenloft Denizens of Dread: None.
I don't use psionics, and I'm all ready maxed out on cash with my planned rulebook purchases for the month, but that multiheaded template, with a little tweaking to fit Pathfinder, will be very much appreciated.
They can be metallic, chromatic, or some other category, so long as they are true dragons. I want to make more of them, and I'm eager for ideas. When finished, I will post them here.
Well, I don't think the steel dragon has been converted to Pathfinder yet. It was also known as the Greyhawk Dragon. Be interesting to see its stats in Pathfinder.
And how about a real feathered dragon? Not a couatl, but a true feathered dragon? Maybe make it a size category smaller than a chromatic or metallic, but with some interesting abilities all its own. Like a poison bite, or immunity to prismatic spray/wall/sphere? More magical since it isn't as physically powerful as other dragon species, maybe?
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They can be metallic, chromatic, or some other category, so long as they are true dragons. I want to make more of them, and I'm eager for ideas. When finished, I will post them here.Well, I don't think the steel dragon has been converted to Pathfinder yet. It was also known as the Greyhawk Dragon. Be interesting to see its stats in Pathfinder.
And how about a real feathered dragon? Not a couatl, but a true feathered dragon? Maybe make it a size category smaller than a chromatic or metallic, but with some interesting abilities all its own. Like a poison bite, or immunity to prismatic spray/wall/sphere? More magical since it isn't as physically powerful as other dragon species, maybe?
Master Arminas
No thanks on the steel dragon, but the feathered dragon is a definite yes.
So, I'm working on two headed dragon, orange dragon, violet dragon, and feathered dragon.
I don't use psionics, and I'm all ready maxed out on cash with my planned rulebook purchases for the month, but that multiheaded template, with a little tweaking to fit Pathfinder, will be very much appreciated.
I never used or liked psionics too, but the psi-like and psionics can be easily changed to spell-like and spells. The things I like most about gem dragons are their unusual breath weapons, and the idea of neutral dragons to balance between the evil chromatic and good metalic.
I don't use psionics, and I'm all ready maxed out on cash with my planned rulebook purchases for the month, but that multiheaded template, with a little tweaking to fit Pathfinder, will be very much appreciated.I never used or liked psionics too, but the psi-like and psionics can be easily changed to spell-like and spells. The things I like most about gem dragons are their unusual breath weapons, and the idea of neutral dragons to balance between the evil chromatic and good metalic.
Downloaded, but not sure whether or not I'll make use of them. I may borrow some stuff, though.
I never payed attention to the evil chromatic and good metallic theme. Doesn't work for me, and I'm reflavoring dragons for my campaign setting. Then again, I reflavored most of the core races (and modified their attributes to boot), so I guess I just like changing stuff.
They can be metallic, chromatic, or some other category, so long as they are true dragons. I want to make more of them, and I'm eager for ideas. When finished, I will post them here.
How about using the half dragon template to make halfbreed dragons? I saw this idea mentioned in another post, thought you might get a kick out of it.
Half brass half bronze anyone?
I never payed attention to the evil chromatic and good metallic theme. Doesn't work for me, and I'm reflavoring dragons for my campaign setting.Maybe tell us about that.
Good inspiration is to type in "dragon" in Google Images or DeviantArt.
One idea I had back when I was a kid was that dragons were originally energy life-forms which for some reason liked to possess material objects. Eventually some evolved to the point where they couldn't survive much without a material shell, and eventually some became flesh/bone/blood creatures. It might be interesting to try and trace that legacy back and see what you come up with.
I prefer the idea of a dragon's color being an ethnic thing, but in the manner that French people, German people, Spanish people, Italian people, and British people aren't the same, not in the manner that red dragons are a~$%~#*s and gold dragons are paragons of goodness. So, color matters a bit with how they act and how they see the world, but it doesn't determine alignment. After all, all the countries I listed above have good, evil, and neutrality in abundance. I have that as my basic plan, but I'm busy hammering out the relationship between arcane and divine magic and haven't taken it any further yet.
Part of removing the chromatic and metallic classifications is that I can add new types freely without screwing up the balance between the two dragon classifications. With those categories, the orange and violet dragons I'm hammering out would give evil dragons the advantage. Without those categories, and with color not effecting alignment, it makes no difference that there are more color than metal dragons. Plus, it allows me to add in multiheaded, feathered, velvet (these will be fun), and other dragons without worrying about finding a classification for them.
They can be metallic, chromatic, or some other category, so long as they are true dragons. I want to make more of them, and I'm eager for ideas. When finished, I will post them here.How about using the half dragon template to make halfbreed dragons? I saw this idea mentioned in another post, thought you might get a kick out of it.
Half brass half bronze anyone?
...Yes.
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...Yes.They can be metallic, chromatic, or some other category, so long as they are true dragons. I want to make more of them, and I'm eager for ideas. When finished, I will post them here.How about using the half dragon template to make halfbreed dragons? I saw this idea mentioned in another post, thought you might get a kick out of it.
Half brass half bronze anyone?
Reflavoring stuff is cool.
I just imagined a two-headed half red/half white dragon giving thermal shocks by burning and freezing poor adventurers...
You could look into the dragon creation rules from Arcana Evolved. Its bestiary, Legacy of the Dragons, has rules for creating unique dragons with their own types of breath weapons and other attacks.
http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=681
Star Dragon
Moon Dragon
Sun Dragon
Void Dragon
Omnidragon
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They can be metallic, chromatic, or some other category, so long as they are true dragons. I want to make more of them, and I'm eager for ideas. When finished, I will post them here.How about using the half dragon template to make halfbreed dragons? I saw this idea mentioned in another post, thought you might get a kick out of it.
Half brass half bronze anyone?
I actually used a Yellow Dragon which was kinda had aspects of Blue and Green. They were all but extinct until Karzoug brought a couple out of stasis 20-30 years prior to his return in my Rise of the Runelords campaign to secure his hold. The Yellow Father and Yellow mother have hatched a couple of broods or so and they are on their way back into the world. I more or less made them a green dragon that has an electrically charged body (a burst attack of lightning in a 30' radius every 1d4rds, and +1d6 electric on natural weapons) so they can breathe like regular with acid then use a burst. the half-dragon/ogres and giants were the fun part though, little tougher than a regular half-dragon and a bit more versatile.
The Tarn Linnorm has two heads and the Gorynych wich useally has three heads might be in the Beastairy 3.
Astral Wanderer, replace omni with comit, nebula, nova, or cosmic.
A Purple dragon that breaths fire and cold, not as same time though.
A dragon from the Positive energy plane.
Dragons from the Good, Law, Chaos, and Evil outer planes.
I've probably played too much Dark Souls as of late, but you could always go with scaleless dragons. The specific dragon I'm thinking of was cursed, so his scales either fell off or never grew to begin with. Didn't stop him from being a boss though. Could be reflavored any number of ways.
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There are some unkown dragons that I love. One is a dragon that is long and skinny and lives at the bottom of a well. If anyone were to come too close it would attack and eat them up. This keeps small children away from wells that hurt, but could easily be a CR4 Well dragon. I also like the old style of Wyvern. I don't know if Paizo did a version, but when you have fangs the size of a cat on something the size of a horse, GMs start to giggle. I also like the Manakete from Fire Emblem. They appear human at first, but after using a Fire Stone to transform, Become big enough to destroy Castles.
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The word Orange Dragon has popped into my head, as has Violet Dragon. What would you guys suggest as attributes for these new additions to the ranks of the chromatic dragons?
Ages ago, in Dragon magazine, they had Orange, Yellow and Purple dragons, to 'complete the color wheel.' The Orange Dragon breathed napalm, essentially. The Yellow Dragon breathed salt crystals that dehydrated anyone they hit. The Purple Dragon breathed a 'high-energy lance' of plasma, part lightning, part fire, that also blinded those in the area.
Mist/Cloud Dragons were a popular theme, once upon a time, as well.
Dragons are often designed in themes, such as Chromatic, Metallic or Gemstone dragons. You could pick a similar set of themes, such as Seasonal Dragons (Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter) or Elemental Dragons (Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Wood, Metal, Void) or Emotional Dragons (Fear/Terror, Anger/Rage, Love/Affection, Joy/Happiness, Sadness/Despair) or State Dragons (Solid, Liquid, Gas, Energy) or whatever.
Dragons associated with celestial bodies or phenomena (Sun, Moon, Star, Earth, Void, Aurora, Storm) are another option.
Dragons tied to the constellations of the zodiac, or the four bodily humors, could also be a theme.
Coming at it from a mechanics side, there aren't any PF dragons that breathe sonic energy or force or negative energy or positive energy or shadow energy, that I can recall. Nor any that breathe wind or water or earth/stone or a spray of piercing icicles or minerals or splinters of wood or bone.
Lines of acid, fire and electricity are represented, as are cones of acid, fire and cold, but a line of cold-breather or cone of lightning-breather could exist, and dragons that breath lines that explode in a burst (or cloud) at their point of destination, or produce a burst effect centered on their mouth (ideal for a sonic-breather), could make for a new mechanic.
Breath weapons that linger, that have a secondary effect, that drain ability scores, that breath aerosolized wyvern-intensity poison, that turn into elementals of fire or oozes of acid after being breathed forth and continue attacking, etc. are all options to liven up the standard fare.
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Swack Iron Dragon.
Turbonium Dragon.
Tirq the dragon that lives in the well is called a Guivre and is a type of serpant like dragon that is poisonous and poisons any water it lives in. As a baby it would look like a worm or snake and a kid would pick it up and the mother would make the child throw into a lake or well and it would grow up. The legends had it getting as big as 100ft long but most were like 20ft-30ft.
My purple dragon has a sonic cone attack. It also has blur at will. They are very vain and relatively rare. As they age they get command and suggestion as spells.
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The black covered MM from 2e had a good selection of dragons. I'll post them all when I get near my copy. Most of the dragon printed in later editions were just these with 'new' mechanics. However there is still a niche of recreating these as they were intended originally - i.e. yellow, brown, etc dragons.
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If you are willing to go beyond True Dragons, you can also play with different creature types, using a draconic theme.
A construct dragon could be a steam-powered clockwork creation of gears and pulleys, or an ornately carved stone statue of a dragon that has been magically animated.
An outsider dragon could be a dragon-shaped fiend, or an azata that appears somewhat similar to a colossal couatl, and has a breath weapon of entrancing song and dazzling colors that confuses it's targets.
Tiamat's been done and done again, but Dahak, the Three-Headed Dragon Spirit of Death, could use a funky writeup, as could Nidhogg, Who Devours Yggdrasil. (And, as a game element, instead of 'gnawing at the roots of creation,' a Nidhogg-like dragon-entity could devour planar portals that have been open too long, or entire demiplanes, explaining why such things rarely last forever...)
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Ages ago, in Dragon magazine, they had...
Here's a link to the D&D Wiki that list all of the various true dragons that have been stated throughout D&D's history. It does not give the stats for them, but it gives the original source that they appeared in (the Orange Dragon is listed)... True Dragon Index
Another way to modify dragons is to change their acompanied spell casting class.
Most Dragons are sorceres, but Dragon Wizard or Clerics might be interesting, as would Dragon Oracles.
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Crystal Keep list
Adamantine(DR) Cone of Fire NG Fire
Amethyst(MM2) Line of Force N Poison
Arboreal(DR) Cone of Piercing CG Acid 20&Sonic 20
Battle(Dcn) Cone of Sonic NG Sonic
Beast(DR) Cone of Cold&Elec G Acid 20&Elec 20
Black(MM) Line of Acid CE Acid
Blue(MM) Line of Electric LE Electricity
Brass(MM) Line of Fire CG Fire
Bronze(MM) Line of Electric LG Electricity
Brown(MoF) Cone of Acid NE Acid
Chaos(Dcn) Line of <random> any C Confusion
Chiang Lung(OA) Cause Rain LN Water Breathing
Chromium(DR356) Line of Cold LE Cold
Cobalt(DR356) Line of Force LE Electricity
Concordant(DR) Cone of Antithetic N Poison
Copper(MM) Line of Acid CG Acid
Crystal(MM2) Cone of Light CN Cold
Deep(MoF) Cone of Acid CE Charm
Emerald(MM2) Cone of Sonic LN Sonic
Ethereal(Dcn) Cone of Force N —
Fang(Dcn)(MoF) Ability Drain CN —
Force(ELH) Cone of Force N —
Gold(MM) Cone of Fire LG Fire
Green(MM) Cone of Acid LE Acid
Howling(ELH) Cone of Sonic CN/CE Sonic
Iron(DR356) Cone of Electric LN Fire
Li Lung(OA) Roar N Burrow speed 10’
Lung Wang(OA) Cone of Fire N Water Breathing
Nickel(DR356) Cone of Acid LE Acid
Oceanus(Dcn) Cone of Electric NG Electricity
Pan Lung(OA) Water Fire N —
Prismatic(ELH) Searing Light N Blindness
Pyroclastic(Drc) Cone of Fire&Sonic LE/NE Fire –or– Sonic
Radiant(Dcn) Line of Force LG —
Red(MM) Cone of Fire CE Fire
Rust(Dcn) Line of Acid LN/LE —
Sand(Sand) Cone of damage CN Fire
Sapphire(MM2) Cone of Sonic LN Electricity
Shadow(Dcn)(MoF) Cone of Eng Drn CE Energy Drain
Shen Lung(OA) Water Fire LG Cold
Silver(MM) Cone of Cold LG Cold
Song(MoF) Cone of Electric CG/CN Electricity
Steel(wWaterdeep) Cone of Acid LN +10 vs. Poison
Styx(Dcn) Line of Acid NE Disease & Poison
T’ien Lung(OA) Cone of Fire LN Water Breathing
Tarterian(Dcn) Line of Force NE/CE —
Topaz(MM2) Cone of damage CN Cold
Tun mi Long(OA) Gust of Wind NE Water Breathing
Tungsten(DR356) Cone of Fire LG Fire
White(MM) Cone of Cold CE Cold
Yu Lung(OA) — N Water Breathing
Dragon-Specific Templates
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To follow the theme of dragons based on colors or metals or gemstones, perhaps dragons based on types of wood or plant?
Oak, Ash, Thorn, Darkwood, etc.
Or dragons based on specific terrain types, such as mountain dragons and sea dragons and forest dragons (not just dragons that happen to live in mountains or the sea or forests, but dragons with the ability to start avalanches, or meld into stone, or create whirlpools, or sinuously negotiate forest canopies with their long, serpentine bodies, raining down destruction from above).
Fantasy metals such as mithril and adamantine or orichalum are also an option, for more advanced metallic dragons, and some sort of variant chromatic dragons could also exist (Ultraviolet Dragon? Mirror Dragon? Colorless (permanantly invisible) Dragon?).
B+#$$#+s. That's a lot of dragons, and these things are more complicated that I thought. I can't get the balance right on the one's I've been working on.
How about dragons based around noble gases for neutral :)
Does Draconimicon have rules for homebrewing dragons? If so, I'ma wait until Christmas to work on this thread. I have no idea what I'm doing.
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Does Draconimicon have rules for homebrewing dragons?
Not that I recall.
If so, I'ma wait until Christmas to work on this thread. I have no idea what I'm doing.
The easiest route, IMO, is to find an online source for a pre-existing dragon, such as here or here, cut-n-paste it to a file you can work on, and then tweak the attributes, size modifiers, spell-like abilities and breath weapon specifics to suit the stats you want.
Most new true dragons should come in somewhere between White and Gold, for starting sizes, breath weapon potency, etc. unless you specifically want to make a bigger and badder, or smaller and weaker, true dragon.
The Pathfinder SRD (also here) also has all the dragons by size, but doesn't, as far as I can find, have the same sort of plug-and-play chart of all twelve age categories for quick and easy modification.
Does Draconimicon have rules for homebrewing dragons?Not that I recall.
If so, I'ma wait until Christmas to work on this thread. I have no idea what I'm doing.The easiest route, IMO, is to find an online source for a pre-existing dragon, such as here or here, cut-n-paste it to a file you can work on, and then tweak the attributes, size modifiers, spell-like abilities and breath weapon specifics to suit the stats you want.
Most new true dragons should come in somewhere between White and Gold, for starting sizes, breath weapon potency, etc. unless you specifically want to make a bigger and badder, or smaller and weaker, true dragon.
The Pathfinder SRD (also here) also has all the dragons by size, but doesn't, as far as I can find, have the same sort of plug-and-play chart of all twelve age categories for quick and easy modification.
Thanks.
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Iridium Dragons! Iridium dragons mate in space near planets, laying their rocky, meteor-like eggs in a decaying orbit. Most iridium dragons drop and form small impact craters where they land, using that as the first basis for their lairs. More rarely, unhatched iridium dragons remain in orbit for centuries, growing to greater size as their eggs 'accrete' stellar matter. These rapacious terrors have the full powers of an adult dragon but none of the maturity. Their oversized meteor-eggs impact with colossal force, devastating the lands around and giving forth a monstrous beast to devour whatever remains.
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Breath weapon: A cone of stellar radiation (half fire, half untyped).
Powers: Immunity to vacuum, does not need to breathe and can go without food for years, can fly in space at increased speed.
Spell-like abilities: Suffocation, meteor swarm, interplanetary teleport.
I might actually stat this up. :P