Starting feats for a PFS Samurai soon to be Magus


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Grand Lodge

I am doing a level 1 dip before moving to Magus.

Currently the starting feats are Weapon Focus Katana and Toughness but Steel Wind and some other posters seem a bit 50-50 on the usefulness of Toughness in PFS.

I haven't played him yet so he's not locked in stone as yet.

Should I keep the Toughness (which improves starting HPs from 12 to 15) or go 12 hps and invest in another feat like Dodge/Improved Manuever/Combat Reflexes etc?


Any advice pretty much totally depends on the whole build.

You focussing on Strength or Dex for example? What's your Con?

Everyone raves about Toughness but +12hp at level 12 doesn't seem that amazing to me. I know every little helps but still...

Silver Crusade

if this character is for pfs....depending on the archtypes allowed just go kensai....they get exotic weapon prof and weapon focus for free at 1st lvl. by the time you get into 7th lvl or so you should have a 20+ ac with no shield and deal medium dmg.....then take light armor prof. Idk if mithral is availible in the society, but at 7th lvl or sooner grab elven chainmail and it stacks with the kensai armor ability. Let the death begin!!!!!


Mithral, along with all other materials (except dragonscale I think) are allowed in PFS. But if you take the kensai archetype and want to use armor, you will have to deal with arcane spell failure. You could use something like a haramaki, its a 1 ac light armor without any penalty or chance of spell failure.

Dark Archive

Riftman22 wrote:
if this character is for pfs....depending on the archtypes allowed just go kensai....they get exotic weapon prof and weapon focus for free at 1st lvl. by the time you get into 7th lvl or so you should have a 20+ ac with no shield and deal medium dmg.....then take light armor prof. Idk if mithral is availible in the society, but at 7th lvl or sooner grab elven chainmail and it stacks with the kensai armor ability. Let the death begin!!!!!

Kensai loses the Magus ability to ignore spell failure in armor, even light armor, so that route probably doesn't make sense.

If you ARE going Kensai (t doesn't sound like that really fits your plan, but you didn't tell us much about your build goals/intentions), you should take a serious look at going with a DEX build, but the feat requirements suck!

To be honest, I don't see much value in multiclassing as a Magus: you give up way too much by getting your already-delayed-spell progression even later than a normal Magus.

The problem I've had with building a Magus for PFS (and maybe in general) is getting your concentration checks high enough that you aren't going to fail half of your defensive-casting rolls during the first half of your PFS career.

Most of the Magus advice that I have seen says NOT to take Combat Casting, since you are so feat starved, but if you don't take it you will end up failing the roll to cast defensively half the time. Magus STR builds typically focus on STR with CON/INT as secondary stats, but your INT is likely to be 14 or (maybe) 16 -- which means you will need to take combat casting to make those rolls.

DEX-based Kensai builds that are focused on high DEX/INT have it a little bit easier, but have a hard time affording the feat for Combat Casting -- and they are probably going to need to take Toughness, due to general lack of CON, especially if you are going Elf for the INT/DEX racial synergy.

What's the goal of your build? What's the purpose of the dip into Samurai? What do you envision your Magus being able to do?

Grand Lodge

Strength 17
Dexterity 14
Constitution 14
Intelligence 14
Wisdom 10
Charisma 8

Trait: APG
Focused Mind: Your childhood was either dominated by lessons of some sort (whether musical, academic, or other) or by a horrible home life that encouraged your ability to block out distractions and focus on the immediate task at hand. You gain a +2 trait bonus on concentration checks.

Trait: Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play
Meridian Strike: Energy flows through channels in the body, like rivers through the land. Once per day when you roll damage on a successful critical hit, reroll any 1s and take the new roll (even if it is another 1).

Feat: Weapon Focus (Katana)
Feat: Toughness

Skills 4+int+human
Perception 1 (+4)
Survival 1 (+4)
Intimidate 1 (+3)
Sense Motive 1 (+4)
Diplomacy 1 (+3)
Ride 1 (+6)
Handle Animal 1 (+3)


Argus The Slayer wrote:

The problem I've had with building a Magus for PFS (and maybe in general) is getting your concentration checks high enough that you aren't going to fail half of your defensive-casting rolls during the first half of your PFS career.

Most of the Magus advice that I have seen says NOT to take Combat Casting, since you are so feat starved, but if you don't take it you will end up failing the roll to cast defensively half the time. Magus STR builds typically focus on STR with CON/INT as secondary stats, but your INT is likely to be 14 or (maybe) 16 -- which means you will need to take combat casting to make those rolls.

For PFS, Combat Casting is probably a better idea than for other types of play.

The reason most guides suggest against Combat Casting, is it starts to lose effectiveness after level 7 or 8, and by level 10 to 12, you're auto making most checks due to retarded spell progression.

Retiring at level 12, PFS characters won't see most of the levels where Combat Casting is a bad choice.

The Magus is rather feat starved, though, so a better strategy may be to avoid casting higher level spells defensively until you can more reliably make the check. Between liberal use of the 5-foot step, and spells like Mirror Image, a Magus can avoid casting defensively in most situations.

Grand Lodge

I don't see the benefit to the samurai dip - what do you expect to gain from it? I would also try hard to get your Intelligence to 16. The samurai level and 14 Intelligence are costing you 2 points off your Concentration check when you start casting spells.

Grand Lodge

sieylianna wrote:
I don't see the benefit to the samurai dip - what do you expect to gain from it? I would also try hard to get your Intelligence to 16. The samurai level and 14 Intelligence are costing you 2 points off your Concentration check when you start casting spells.

Going for a strength build hence the 17 str.

Why Samurai? Sick to death of Scimitar Magi for one and also access to a bunch of social class skills as well. The character is for PFS play and prestige can depend on making social interaction rolls. I am not a fan of the Kensai Magus so that sort of (for the moment, I may try one later) cancels that out as an option.

The trait giving +2 to concentration helps balance the loss of the Int bonus (16 would only be an additional +1?).

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