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I have a question, last weekend I was playing in a PFS game, and several party members were engulfed by a gelatinous cube. With my wizard, I attempted to levitate our barbarian out of the gelatinous cube.
The DM ruled that it wasn't allowed, so I left it at that. I understand that on top of being paralysed, the subject of the cube's engulf also gains the pinned condition.
I just feel that if the subject was able to willingly accept the levitation, then shouldn't my wizard have been able to at least roll a caster check against the CMD of the cube? That's what I would have ruled in my home game, if it had ever come up.
I have a question, last weekend I was playing in a PFS game, and several party members were engulfed by a gelatinous cube. With my wizard, I attempted to levitate our barbarian out of the gelatinous cube.
The DM ruled that it wasn't allowed, so I left it at that. I understand that on top of being paralysed, the subject of the cube's engulf also gains the pinned condition.
I just feel that if the subject was able to willingly accept the levitation, then shouldn't my wizard have been able to at least roll a caster check against the CMD of the cube? That's what I would have ruled in my home game, if it had ever come up.
First, paralysis prevents taking physical actions but allows purely mental activities (I deliberately avoid word action in this case as being willing target is not actual action) so it does not prevent paralysed creature from accepting levitation.
Second. I hoped that there is more about trying to wrest creature from another's creature grapple but the rules only cover aiding another to grant +2 bonus to grapple check when multiple creatures are involved - they still require grappled creature to take an action on it's own.
I agree that it could be sensible tactic - however, in case of levitation I would say that it's pull is quite weak and granted a big bonus to the cube's CMD against such attempt. Or maybe made it an opposed check against cube's CMB with a penalty to caster's check.
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I agree that it could be sensible tactic - however, in case of levitation I would say that it's pull is quite weak and granted a big bonus to the cube's CMD against such attempt. Or maybe made it an opposed check against cube's CMB with a penalty to caster's check.
The weight restriction of levitate is actually 100 lbs/level. As a lvl.5 wizard, that would be 500 lbs. That should be more than sufficie nt to lift a lightly armored barbarian, who probably wouldn't wiegh more than 350 lbs including equipment.
There's no such thing as a push/pull table in Pathfinder, but if there was I would argue that the weight capacity of the spell would actually add to the roll against the cube's CMD. But as it is, there is a caster level roll, which I feel accurately represents the spell's weight limit.|
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Well, there is this:
According to the Carrying Capacity rules, a creature with a STR of 22 can lift 520lb over its head. That's about the equivalent of your Levitate spell so you could maybe make it a STR check versus the CMD of the Cube (9.) I could see a GM granting the cube a +2 bonus for a total CMD of 11 since the character is paralyzed and not able to struggle through the ooze. If that isn't a good enough reason, the levitate spell is also lifting through a semi-solid substance and not just picking the barbarian up off the ground. It's a thought.
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Once engulfed by the Cube there would be no line of effect to cast the spell on the barbarian.
Once engulfed by the Cube there would be no line of effect to cast the spell on the barbarian.
Valid issue. However I would say that it takes some time to engulf victim completly, so I'd give 50% chance that some part of the engulfed sticks making him viable target. Unlike in case of swallow whole ability where line of effect is cut off immediately after swallowing.
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Is it bad that I am disappointed that this conversation isn't about if the Levitate spell would work on a G.Cube?
(Even though the G.Cube has no Int, I say it would in a limited sense. Like when it senses something it wants to absorb above it.)
The DM ruled that it wasn't allowed, so I left it at that.
To me it sounds like the DM correctly ruled you did not have Line of Effect to the barbarian enclosed in the gelatinous cube.
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Thanks everyone for referring me to the Line of Effect rules. I wasn't whining about not being able to do it, I just wanted an definitive answer as to why it couldn't be done, and I got it. Also, the barbarian was completely engulfed by the time I attempted to levitate him, so there was no chance of him not being completely engulfed yet.