Some sort of monster preview for The Bestiary 3. It's November and there hasn't been a table of contents posted or anything. Also, wasn't it orginally supposed to come out this month? The website says it isn't coming out until December. I understand things sometimes get pushed back but I guess I'd just like to see one or two monsters as a teaser. That's all.
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Some sort of monster preview for The Bestiary 3. It's November and there hasn't been a table of contents posted or anything. Also, wasn't it orginally supposed to come out this month? The website says it isn't coming out until December. I understand things sometimes get pushed back but I guess I'd just like to see one or two monsters as a teaser. That's all.
- Spee
Agreed. Previews desired!
If past experience is any indication, Paizo will release one or maybe two previews, then the subscribers will get access and spill all the beans before the rest of the previews get posted. :-)
World peace, cold fusion power, and a descriptive thread title?
Think you could help with one of those?
World peace, cold fusion power, and a descriptive thread title?
Think you could help with one of those?
I can... if you hover your mouse over a title, a tooltip window pops over giving you a preview of the first post. So if you're on the fence... hover.
I also advocate Open In A New Tab whenever hanging out on any forum. Most browsers have tabbed browsing now. Use your main tab to scroll down the list of topics. Right-click on an interesting one and open it in a new tab. Most browsers you can middle-click to do just that. Fire up a few tabs, then switch to them and read them. Close them when done. That doesn't disturb your index tab. Better than using the Back button.
World peace, cold fusion power, and a descriptive thread title?
Think you could help with one of those?
Eh, I like what Anguish posted. I would've just said "get out of my thread, douche."
Free sex and booze.
*HIGH FIVE*
I also advocate Open In A New Tab whenever hanging out on any forum. Most browsers have tabbed browsing now. Use your main tab to scroll down the list of topics. Right-click on an interesting one and open it in a new tab. Most browsers you can middle-click to do just that. Fire up a few tabs, then switch to them and read them. Close them when done. That doesn't disturb your index tab. Better than using the Back button.
I endorse this method.
Ehh...I guess they gave a preview of the kami but I'm not really that impressed. I would've rather seen kappas or kaiju. Oh well. Only a month to wait.
There aren't going to be any Kaiju in the Beastairy 3, it took up too many pages so it was cut.
World peace, cold fusion power, and a descriptive thread title?
Think you could help with one of those?
I can... if you hover your mouse over a title, a tooltip window pops over giving you a preview of the first post. So if you're on the fence... hover.
I also advocate Open In A New Tab whenever hanging out on any forum. Most browsers have tabbed browsing now. Use your main tab to scroll down the list of topics. Right-click on an interesting one and open it in a new tab. Most browsers you can middle-click to do just that. Fire up a few tabs, then switch to them and read them. Close them when done. That doesn't disturb your index tab. Better than using the Back button.
Thanks for the mouseover tip. I didn't know that.
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There aren't going to be any Kaiju in the Beastairy 3, it took up too many pages so it was cut.
Heart. Broken.
There aren't going to be any Kaiju in the Beastairy 3, it took up too many pages so it was cut.
Do you have a link for when they explain that?
I feel bad because I never learned how to link different sections of this site. If I remember correctly you find it in the Beastairy 3 product section, I think the Beastairy 3 wish list, and the ask James Jacob section as well. Mr. James Jacobs was the one to confirm this since the Kaiju template was his creation in 3.0/3.5 and was his this time as well. he also said that if they do mythic/epic that would be better to stat up unique Kaiju for the epic rules.
I feel bad because I never learned how to link different sections of this site. If I remember correctly you find it in the Beastairy 3 product section, I think the Beastairy 3 wish list, and the ask James Jacob section as well. Mr. James Jacobs was the one to confirm this since the Kaiju template was his creation in 3.0/3.5 and was his this time as well. he also said that if they do mythic/epic that would be better to stat up unique Kaiju for the epic rules.
I'm SUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER bummed. I hope there's still cool stuff in it though.
I'm SUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER bummed. I hope there's still cool stuff in it though.
There is.
I'm SUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER bummed. I hope there's still cool stuff in it though.There is.
Can you quantify that statements? In other words: How many proteans are in there?
There are no Proteons in the Beastairy 3.
There is link to 4 monsters:Alraune(CR14plant), Hungry Fog(CR6 Ooze), Jotund Troll(CR15 9 headed), and Yithian(CR9 LN Aberration), in both the the Beastairy 3 Product discussion page and Beastairy 3 Paizo product page.
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To be clear:
The kaiju template was cut from Bestiary 3 for 2 reasons. The 1st was the primary reason, but the 2nd is the more important one.
1) There was no way we'd be able to fit all we needed to fit on 2 pages, and doing a template that takes up more than 2 pages isn't something I want to see us ever do.
2) In trying to make the kaiju template work, I came to the realization that... as with dire animals... a template for this monster wasn't the right design choice. Kaiju should be hand-crafted monsters, in the same way all dire animals (or all demons, or all linnorms, or all of the Tane) are hand-crafted. And they should also be BIG. Bigger than what the game can really handle. Bigger than CR 25, even, perhaps. Which means that they go into the same sort of limbo as do demigod and demon lord stats and the like—they're waiting for us to figure out the Mythic rules, in other words. I still very much want to stat some kaiju up, but they'll need to wait for a bit longer.
That said... there ARE some big monsters in the book, including a new category of magical beasts called behemoths. There are three of them in the book—the tempest behemoth, the thalassic behemoth, and the thunder behemoth. They're all colossal in size, and range in CR from CR 18 to CR 22. The fact that they more or less fit the same role that kaiju fit (they actually ARE kaiju by the strictest definition of the word) means that folks eager for giant monsters to be represented in the book won't come away empty-handed, despite the fact that the actual kaiju entry went away.
Well at least we get our giant monsters in the book and three types of Behemoths at that.
So the ravener behemoth from Council of Thieves isn't making an appearance?
Demiurge, unless they renamed it, more then likely it is not.
To be clear:
The kaiju template was cut from Bestiary 3 for 2 reasons. The 1st was the primary reason, but the 2nd is the more important one.
1) There was no way we'd be able to fit all we needed to fit on 2 pages, and doing a template that takes up more than 2 pages isn't something I want to see us ever do.
2) In trying to make the kaiju template work, I came to the realization that... as with dire animals... a template for this monster wasn't the right design choice. Kaiju should be hand-crafted monsters, in the same way all dire animals (or all demons, or all linnorms, or all of the Tane) are hand-crafted. And they should also be BIG. Bigger than what the game can really handle. Bigger than CR 25, even, perhaps. Which means that they go into the same sort of limbo as do demigod and demon lord stats and the like—they're waiting for us to figure out the Mythic rules, in other words. I still very much want to stat some kaiju up, but they'll need to wait for a bit longer.
That said... there ARE some big monsters in the book, including a new category of magical beasts called behemoths. There are three of them in the book—the tempest behemoth, the thalassic behemoth, and the thunder behemoth. They're all colossal in size, and range in CR from CR 18 to CR 22. The fact that they more or less fit the same role that kaiju fit (they actually ARE kaiju by the strictest definition of the word) means that folks eager for giant monsters to be represented in the book won't come away empty-handed, despite the fact that the actual kaiju entry went away.
Behemoths are good enough for me. I'm pumped!
Oh, and I know you can't reveal much right now, but are the behemoths in the Bestiary 3 anything like the behemoths in the 2nd edition Monster Manual? I hope so.
Thalassic-has to do with the sea so a giant turtle or other aquatic creture would fit this type of behemoth.
Thunder-could be a reptile or dinosaur like behemoth.
Tempast-could be a giant bird, inscect, or flying dinosaur style Behemoth.
So the possibility of them being like the second edtion Gargantua cretures is there.
Thalassic-has to do with the sea so a giant turtle or other aquatic creture would fit this type of behemoth.
Thunder-could be a reptile or dinosaur like behemoth.
Tempast-could be a giant bird, inscect, or flying dinosaur style Behemoth.So the possibility of them being like the second edtion Gargantua cretures is there.
Yeah! Gargantuas were what I meant. If memory serves, there was a godzilla-like reptilian, a giant humanoid, and a massive moth like Mothra. I hope they bring those back.
Unrelated, does anyone know what mundane animals are going to be included? I know they said there would be new animal companions and familiars.|
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Thalassic-has to do with the sea so a giant turtle or other aquatic creture would fit this type of behemoth.
Thunder-could be a reptile or dinosaur like behemoth.
Tempast-could be a giant bird, inscect, or flying dinosaur style Behemoth.So the possibility of them being like the second edtion Gargantua cretures is there.
Yeah! Gargantuas were what I meant. If memory serves, there was a godzilla-like reptilian, a giant humanoid, and a massive moth like Mothra. I hope they bring those back.
Unrelated, does anyone know what mundane animals are going to be included? I know they said there would be new animal companions and familiars.
They're similar, in that they're both big giant monsters.
But the Gargantuas from 2nd edition were a LOT more like kaiju, and those are not gonna be in Bestiary 3. They'll be along later.
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As long as we're talking monsters, you know what else would be nice?
A size category for SUPER sized enemies. I'm talking the size of Faudo (from Konjiki no Gash/Zatch Bell) or Unicron (from Transformers) or similarly sized MASSIVE creatures for which Colossal REALLY seems inadequate.
Once you reach Unicron scale, it's not a monster so much as it is the battlemat.
Can you imagine a party of PCs stinging a planet-sized creature with their puny swords?
Like if everybody on Earth stabbed the soil with a sword, the planet would die.
Can you quantify that statements? In other words: How many proteans are in there?If you're lucky, you can merely observe either a protean's current position or velocity, not both at the same time. Also, the act of observing changes the outcome.
There are no Proteons in the Beastairy 3.
True. But Bestiary 3 is chock-full of Ninja Proteans. Powered by FTL neutrinos. Hopped up on sugar and caffeine.
Can you imagine a party of PCs stinging a planet-sized creature with their puny swords?
Like if everybody on Earth stabbed the soil with a sword, the planet would die.
I thought that was common knowledge...
What would you even do with a Unicron sized enemy in Pathfinder???
What would you even do with a Unicron sized enemy in Pathfinder???
Play Snit's Revenge, for keepsies.
A week of blogs that do not have anything to do with PFS, Minis, or short storys/novels. Since they have taken up 3/5 of the weeks blogs I think a break from them would nice.
As long as we're talking monsters, you know what else would be nice?
A size category for SUPER sized enemies. I'm talking the size of Faudo (from Konjiki no Gash/Zatch Bell) or Unicron (from Transformers) or similarly sized MASSIVE creatures for which Colossal REALLY seems inadequate.
Why not use colossal for everything bigger than gargantuan.
After all, any new category for everything beyond colossal will have the same problem: It's a catch-all for a vast and open-ended category.
So colossal is unfit for the biggest dragons? Have colossal+.
Colossal+ is not enough for the Tarrasque? Have Colossal++
That's not enough for Godzilla? C+++ to the rescue.
But then there's Great Cthulhu, and you need 4+. 5+ For Mhar. And so on. By the time we come to Unicron, Galactus, Azathoth and so on, we probably need long int to count the plusses after colossal.
So the only really feasible solution is to have one catch-all for everything beyond the well-defined categories. I don't see why that can't be colossal.
Can you quantify that statements? In other words: How many proteans are in there?If you're lucky, you can merely observe either a protean's current position or velocity, not both at the same time. Also, the act of observing changes the outcome.There are no Proteons in the Beastairy 3.True. But Bestiary 3 is chock-full of Ninja Proteans. Powered by FTL neutrinos. Hopped up on sugar and caffeine.
Sugar? Caffeine? You wish. The stuff they're hopped up on doesn't exist in most realities, and is banned in the rest.
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Can you imagine a party of PCs stinging a planet-sized creature with their puny swords?
Like if everybody on Earth stabbed the soil with a sword, the planet would die.
I'd love it if there were a monster who had to be represented as the ENTIRE battlemat. Finding tactically advantageous terrain is half the fun--if the terrain WAS the enemy...
Now I feel the need to stat this up myself.
Sure, it's weird that you could even get noticed by a planet-sized enemy by poking him with a little sword.
But then again, it's weird with a great wyrm dragon, too. If we can have a go with a colossal dragon with a longsword, size obviously doesn't matter. Go and have at the evil planet. Your 1d8 damage will really inconvenience the guy, subtracting from his ten million HP.
Unless they stat up Azathoth with like 35 HD.
am I the only one who read "Mythic rules", a name for the epic rules I never read before. And once something has got a name it's not all too far I guess.
Also it has been hinted that the kaiju come when the epic rules come out, and the kaiju "They'll be along later.".
but perhaps that's old news as I'm not that present here all the time and I've never heard of kaiju.
Can you imagine a party of PCs stinging a planet-sized creature with their puny swords?
Like if everybody on Earth stabbed the soil with a sword, the planet would die.I'd love it if there were a monster who had to be represented as the ENTIRE battlemat. Finding tactically advantageous terrain is half the fun--if the terrain WAS the enemy...
Now I feel the need to stat this up myself.
We fought a haunted tree once, that we were standing IN. So that was kinda a creature that was the battlemat (sorta)
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Unless they stat up Azathoth with like 35 HD.
This is Azathoth's stat block:
Azathoth, the Nuclear Chaos
Outer God
Damage Reduction: infinity/Outer God
Saves: +infinity All
Immunities: All
Combat: If you enter Azathoth's Court, roll d% every round. Azathoth notices you on a roll of 00. If he notices you, you die.
Unless they stat up Azathoth with like 35 HD.This is Azathoth's stat block:
Azathoth, the Nuclear Chaos
Outer God
Damage Reduction: infinity/Outer God
Saves: +infinity All
Immunities: All
Combat: If you enter Azathoth's Court, roll d% every round. Azathoth notices you on a roll of 00. If he notices you, you die.
This sort of character exaggeration of the Cthulhu Mythos bugs me. Azathoth is impossibly far beyond the average human, but so is a high level adventurer. Level 15 and higher adventurers are not normal humans they are small gods, they leap tall buildings in single bounds, they create new planes of reality, they charge the gates of Hell itself to rescure an innocent soul from its clutches, they kill Godzilla with swords, fists, and lasers (the Tarrasque).
Azathoth was not always a gibbering idiot god, he didn't always need Nyarlathotep waiting hand and foot on him. Azathoth lost any intellect he once had due to a wound from Nodens, a minor god from Celtic myth. He is an expert hunter served by faceless winged creatures, sounds like a 20th level or so ranger archetype.
In short if you'd let your PCs face Unicron, Orcus, or any other world shaking baddy Azzy should be fair game.
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Azathoth was not always a gibbering idiot god, he didn't always need Nyarlathotep waiting hand and foot on him. Azathoth lost any intellect he once had due to a wound from Nodens, a minor god from Celtic myth. He is an expert hunter served by faceless winged creatures, sounds like a 20th level or so ranger archetype.
Are you August Derleth in disguise? Because none of that is in Lovecraft's Mythos. Most people prefer Lovecraft's version of the Mythos to Derleth's "Good Elder Gods vs Evil Outer Gods for control of the Earth" BS.
Azathoth was not always a gibbering idiot god, he didn't always need Nyarlathotep waiting hand and foot on him. Azathoth lost any intellect he once had due to a wound from Nodens, a minor god from Celtic myth. He is an expert hunter served by faceless winged creatures, sounds like a 20th level or so ranger archetype.Are you August Derleth in disguise? Because none of that is in Lovecraft's Mythos. Most people prefer Lovecraft's version of the Mythos to Derleth's "Good Elder Gods vs Evil Outer Gods for control of the Earth" BS.
Hmm? Nodens was first introduced by Lovecraft in The Strange High House in the Mist and was specifically mentioned as hunting Nyarlathotep and his minions in Dream Quest, which was also by Lovecraft; in it Nodens killed hunting horrors by looking at them really angrily. Specifically Lovecrafts repeated use of the word hoary to describe Nodens is what led to the creation of the Hoary Hunter for the 3.5 epic level handbook (CR 25 but monstrously over CRed accurate measures pull them down to the 19-21 range).
Additionally Cthulhu was defeated (temporally true but still beaten) by a normal person ramming him with a boat. Yog-Sothoth's child was defeated by three college professors. Nyarlathotep was unable to take possession of a dreamer simply because he jumped off the santak that was supposed to deliver him. The mythos creatures were immensely powerful but no more so than any other high CR D&D monster, probably low 20s range.
I'm not arguing that Good vs Evil is needed in the Mythos, just that the theme was not "These creatures are all powerful" but rather that "They are so much more powerful than a NORMAL human they might as well be all powerful"