I'm sure someone out there is finding it absolutely hilarious that the guy who started the 'does anyone else hate gunslingers' thread is actually asking such an ironic question, but I honestly can't help it.
Anyways though, in my current group, we have basically houseruled that Rapid Reload combined with an advanced firearm (such as a revolver) would allow a player to reload as a free action. Now, my only real issue is finding out a way to dual wield revolvers while still being able to reload them. So, does anyone have any good suggestions? Also, just out of curiosity, would having two revolver's with the 'speed property' stack?
Again, any help is greatly appreciated.
The speed property does not stack, and I know modern revolvers have speedloaders. I don't know if they exist in the game or not. If not you can buy extra cylinders and say they are able to be swapped out as a house rule.
As far as reloading and firing while dual wielding there is no way to do so, and I think any weapon should have a drawback somewhere.
Ugh, really? Reloading a revolver as a free action? Maybe with moonclips.
Or if you're playing a busty female Gunslinger (watch the whole clip)
lol, cute. However, can you honestly say that reloading a crossbow as a free action is any faster? I mean, just take a look at this guy.
Pretty smooth use of a speed-loader there. Still takes two hands, but I guess you could bs your way into it :P
Oooor, as an alternative, go the old-school pistol route. Carry a bandoleer of a ton of single shot pistols and pay double the cost for 'Slotless' weapon upgrades. (Check with your DM first, some aren't cool enough to agree with this.)
Glad you liked it :P Currently, due to the use of rapid reload and advanced firearms, our group feels that allowing a Gunslinger to reload as a free action (so long as he has 2 free hands of course) is a perfectly balanced concept (again, I would actually LOVE to see a crossbow that could be reloaded as a FREE action...as I sincerely doubt that is even possible).
I suppose I just have a soft spot for the nostalgic value of dual wielding revolvers, but oh well. I'm perfectly fine with just having one, but I still wanted to see if it was possible to dual wield.
Fact of the matter is that a high-level gunslinger/ninja, if he's using revolvers and he took everything exactly right, is capable of destroying anyone he doesn't like in a single round of combat.
I'll illustrate:
25 point buy
Gunslinger pistolero/mysterious stranger 5/ ninja 7/ Inquisitor 2. Aasimar.
Str 8
Dex 28
Con 10
Int 10
Wis 28
Cha 28
Init+25
Two +5 distance revolvers. +22/+17/+12 1d8+23 20x4 40ft range.
Sniper's goggles, belt of dex +3, headband of wis/cha +6, 2 books of dex, wis, or cha (just pick 2) 1 book of the aforementioned stats +5. Boots of speed.
Feats: Deadly Aim, point-blank shot, rapid shot, TWF, iTWF, gTWF, Weapon focus:revolver, snap shot.
Spells: only Longshot matters.
What their combat looks like: from 300 feet, while stealthed, sniping (taking a cumulative +10 on the stealth roll), spend a swift action for an extra shot, they shoot for +18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+8 for 1d8+30 each shot, that's just main hand, off-hand looks about the same: +18/+18/+13/+8 1d8+30.
This is against your touch attack while flat-footed, unless you made a truly amazing perception roll (minumum DC 34, but probably much higher than that, as they aren't likely to roll a 1, and they've probably got something to boost their stealth anywhere from 5-20 points). Odds are they are shooting at 12s-13s, meaning pretty much every shot will hit, let's just say only the +18s hit, none of them critical: they deal a minumum of 258 points of damage.
The next round: they use vanishing trick and reload their weapons.
The next round they shoot you a bunch.
They are only okay, until they get to level 5, then they get a lot better.
Edit: blargh, I cannot into math today.
As long as we're discussing real world gun feats...
holy crap!
holy crap!As long as we're discussing real world gun feats...
Watch the series called Stan Lee's Superhumans, it's full of people like that, including a man who can basically run forever, another man who can hold two prop-driven planes from moving for 44 seconds, and a few fakes, but there are a lot of genuine superhumans out there.
I know this has been brought up in other threads before, but I have to ask: doesn't it make sense that rapid reload would give advanced firearms (such as the revolver) the ability to reload as a free action?
Ugh, really? Reloading a revolver as a free action? Maybe with moonclips.
Or if you're playing a busty female Gunslinger (watch the whole clip)
That so needs it's own Grit Power lol
The first thing I thought of when I saw this post was honestly Lara Croft in the Tomb Raider Games (and movies) how she basically fires her guns then drops the clips and reloads from new clips stuck to her hips, but those are not revolvers. It honestly would have to depend on the technology level of the guns in your game, but as far as reloading revolvers, one would have to be holstered or dropped in order to reload the other. However I guess it all comes down to what people believe can be done in a round of combat where multiple people are fighting. Turn based combat is a touchy subject among many people, and everyone has their own opinion of how it should play out, thus everyone will have a different opinion of what actions can be performed in a round.
I'm not sure why there isn't an infinite ammo/auto-load enchantment.
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What is the Best Way to Dual Wield Revolvers?
One in each hand, barrels facing the bad guys.