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Combining creatures. That is, different creatures that can join together to form something else. Could see a lot of variations on that fitting with magical beasts, aberrations, oozes, undead, and constructs off the top of my head.

More group/hive-oriented monsters with different creatures fulfilling different roles. The Thriae are a pretty new example of this. The various life-cycles and types of xenomorphs from the Alien series are another example. The rich ecology these types bring with them is always fun to play with.

Player appropriate aberration, ooze, and construct-themed races are fine too. Love Kobold Quarterly/Open Design's gearsmen for example.(are they open content?)

Also, repeating the hope for some good-aligned "Dark Is Not Evil" creatures, especially of the celestial variety. Bestiary 3 managed to get 'em all the way up to neutral. Just a bit more of a push....


Sincubus wrote:
Please paizo, give all those crying people a book of templates + more player races books so they can all enjoy their own books!

I object to being labeled as "crying" if I happen to like templates.

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While Sincubus's tone in unnecessarily antagonistic and characteristically arrogant, I wouldn't mind a giant book full of templates. Advanced Bestiary + Book of Templates: Deluxe Edition 3.5 + a few new ones, all Pathfinderized = yummy goodness.


Yeah, I won't necessarily mind seeing a book of just templates (in fact I have the pdf of the Advanced Bestiary), but I do mind the sentiment that templates should be excluded from the Bestiaries.


That's what I love about Paizo, there Bestairies have a little bit of everything like playable races, templates, familiars, animal companions, creatures from myth, cryptids, classic D@D monsters, new/original creatures, creatures from classic literature, creatures based on movies, and so much more.

I would love an intelligent Phoenix like magical beast that you can get as a familiar.

A book of monster templates would be nice but it would have to be a small paperback because I do not see them using the limited number of hardback book slots for it.


Dragon78 wrote:


I would love an intelligent Phoenix like magical beast that you can get as a familiar.

you watched too much conan the animated series?


Well I wouldn't be a "big dumb barbarian" to have it as a familiar now would I;)


Kthulhu wrote:
While Sincubus's tone in unnecessarily antagonistic and characteristically arrogant, I wouldn't mind a giant book full of templates. Advanced Bestiary + Book of Templates: Deluxe Edition 3.5 + a few new ones, all Pathfinderized = yummy goodness.

Hmm... A template book. I like the idea. Think it'd ever make hardcover?

(If nothing else, I can always dream)


While i'm unnecessarily antagonistic and characteristically arrogant most of the time, this time it was meant friendly.

The poor souls all asking out for more templates, creatures taken directly from animal planet and playable races (even dwarves, humans and normal elves)

They should create +1 playable races guide (I don't mind playable races in the Bestiaries at all so thats one thing you were wrong about) a template book (I do not like templates as I don't play the game but some templates like vampires and zombies are needed) and a book full of critters you can watch in the zoo (I don't really like animals in the books as they aren't monsters but animals...) would all be great ways to.
1- Appeal to fans who are really into those things.
2- Make more books
3- Make more money
4- Have more fans satisfied
5- And most important of all, appease me. :D

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Dragon78 wrote:
A book of monster templates would be nice but it would have to be a small paperback because I do not see them using the limited number of hardback book slots for it.

Advanced Bestiary - 256 pages

Book of Templates: Deluxe Edition 3.5 - 190 pages

I think that Paizo could easily publish a templates book that rivaled the Bestiaries in physical size, or even exceeded them. I'm not even sure that I'd see a problem in the using the fourth quarter slot for a template book INSTEAD of a Bestiary that year. [cue Sincubus entering an apoplectic rage and spouting some angrish] A normal Bestiary adds approximately 300 new monsters to the game. A well done template book of approximately the same size would essentially add THOUSANDS of new monsters to the game. If they were to go that route, I'd happily see Bestiary 4 pushed back until Q4 2013, or even later.

Shadow Lodge

Sincubus wrote:
...as I don't play the game

Wait...WHAT?

If you don't play the game, why are you so invested in what monsters show up in the books?


Sincubus wrote:
...as I don't play the game

I laughed when a I read this.


Have you ever heard about the word collector? Collection, reader-only?

Its not that hard, really...

EDIT: I also have other used for the stats, pictures and info in some of the books as I write stories and create RPGs with them (in case of the pictures its personal use only too bad)


Why would you expect a game design company to cater to those who don't play they're games?

Shadow Lodge

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While doing your damnedest to shout over the desires of people who DO play the game.


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Recently, I noticed we still had a hole in one set of monsters: the nagas. We have LE, LN, LG, N, CE, and CN nagas, but we still need CG, NG, and NE nagas. And the epic Ha-Naga from the SRD.

Others that I would like to see are:
Infernal and Elemental Titans
the Abyss Gigas, Hell Gigas, and some new gigas (gigases? gigasi?)
Mist Dragon
new Weirds (there are some in the ToHC, but how about other ones like sand or shadow)
Mušḫuššu (aka the Sirrush)
Enenra (a good-aligned smoke elemental from Japanese myth)
Isonade (a type of sea monster)
Shachihoko (monstrous carp with tigerlike heads [often seen as statues and roof decorations in real life])
Ushi-Oni (minotaur-based oni)

Some others from the Epic Level Handbook SRD that haven't yet been brought over:
Ha-Naga (as mentioned above)
Anaxim (a CR 22 construct that could become a new type of Inevitable)
Atropal (reduced in power)
Dream Larva (reduced in power)
Phane
Xixical
Force Dragon (reduced in power)
Prismatic Dragon (reduced in power, I can see these and the mist dragon being used in an outer planar dragon sept, with two other dragon types)
Gibbering Orb
Gloom
leShay (reduced in power, becoming nascent archfey/Eldest)
Lavawight
Thorciasid
Uvuudaum (reduced in power, could be another inhabitant of Abaddon)
Vemiurge

From the Psionics SRD:
Cerebrilith
Dromite
Thought Eater (with an appearance closer to its original form in the AD&D1e MM)

From the Modern SRD:
Leechwalker (from the Arcana Creatures SRD)
Doom Hag (from the Menace SRD)


I agree with you bluescale Nagas with missing AL types would be nice, Gigas existing and new types, Elemental Titans would be awesome, Mist Dragon, Force Dragon, Prismatic Dragon, Giddering Orb, and Thought Eater all sound like interesting stuff to me.

It has been awhile since I had the Epic Level handbook so I do not remember all the monsters in there but some toned down versions of most of them would be interesting.

I would also like Giants from cultures such as African, Celtic, and Asian.Do Native Americans or Australians have Giants in there myths? If so then them as well.

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Removed some posts. Please post nicely, and remember that wish lists will not apply to everybody's tastes—be respectful of other people's play styles.


Liz Courts wrote:
Removed some posts. Please post nicely, and remember that wish lists will not apply to everybody's tastes—be respectful of other people's play styles.

But everyone else plays the game wrong!

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Apparently playing the game at all is "doing it wrong". :P


Mystic_Snowfang wrote:

A Tikblang that looks like this http://www.keiththompsonart.com/pages/tikbalang.html

Hello Mystic_Snowfang!

While it's certainly not Bestiary 4, we have recently released Tikbalang: Guardians of Kalikasan for the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules. :D

Still, if Paizo includes it in Bestiary 4, it'd be awesome. @__@


More Elementals that are have two or more elemental subtypes(Air, Earth, Fire, Water)

Plant creatures that have a basic shape of humaniod or animal like(wolf, spider, snake, bird, octopus, etc.)

Less Humaniod undead, more animal/plant/vermin etc. undead

Ghost like template for animals that give them ghost touch property for natural attacks but use Cha instead of Str score for damage

Race of Humaniod or Outsider(native) that have a third eye.

Race of playable medium size cyclops like humaniods like from the movie Krull.

Something similiar to the Tinman from the Wizard of Oz.

A rabbit based monster, preferably the Almiraj, but something like the rabbit from Monty Python would be awesome.

More Cat based monsters like The Cheshire Cat, Nekomata, Bakeneko, Caterwaul, etc.

Another group of five true dragons, not sure what theme I would like to see yet.

More types of Linnorms, particurly one with at least three heads and another type(s) of dragon that has two or more heads.

A giant Mongoose, Weasel, or Ferret; also Giant version and regular versions of the Platypus


Dragon78 wrote:

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More types of Linnorms, particurly one with at least three heads and another type(s) of dragon that has two or more heads.
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ok now I have my idea for the Storm linnorm (CR 22)


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Monsters based off of creatures from the Cambrian era. Dire Trilobite, Hallucigenia, Nectocaris, Dinomischus, and Odontogriphus.

Dire praya dubia

Celestials that don't look pretty--old, old, old, who were beings of good before the birth of mortality. Strange creatures; interlocking and ever-spinning wheels lined with eyes, a being so beautiful reality cast a veil over it so none would see it, a creature made entirely of angles (an angle-angel, as it were), a creature composed of eyes that each behold a separate beauty of reality. Eldritch abominations--but ones that are inherently kind. Not human in the least.

More good; we are drastically, drastically low on good-aligned outsiders in comparison to evil.

The major outsider races all seem to have a CR 20 version, except for the following; Archons, Azatas, and Proteans. (technically, neither do the Demodands, but they have Titans, so...).

An Asura that can be used as a familiar, that is an actual product of divine mistake. The Tripurasura is made by other asuras, so is like a... almost-asura. The product of a product of divine mess-up. I'd like a full-fledged one, please.

More Oni! More Asura! More Qlippoth! More Kytons! I can't stress enough how much I love these.

A Rakshasa for the traitor caste, and untouchable caste.

A species of Bodhisattva. Reincarnating good outsiders, that enter the bodies of children that would be stillborn so that the parents may know the joys of raising a child. When they grow up, they remember the truth of who they are, and go out into the world to spread enlightenment. A good-aligned counterpart to the Rakshasa.

Person-spirits. Like Kami, but that follow a single person; many religions think that people have individual spirits that follow, protect, and give luck to someone, or that watch over a single household.

PSYCHOPOMPS!!! We already have a Shinigami, a Valkyrie, and one or two others... if you went into this and did more of them, that would be wonderful! Pharasma's personal force? Devoted protectors of the River of Souls, and sworn enemies of the Daemons? Or maybe they simply go to watch people die, and ferry them to the next world.

You cruelly, cruelly hinted at monsters in the Bestiary 3 but have not delivered. The different Leshies, the different Behemoths... so many, I want them all!

Rules in the back of the Bestiary 4 to make vermin animal companions (we have a vermin-companion druid now, covering the first 2 Bestiaries, but we have nothing for the new vermin introduced in the Bestiary 3).

A Leshy you can take as a familiar. Rules for taking a Leshy as a... Leshy Companion in place of an animal companion. Rules for a Clockwork familiar. Rules for vermin familiars.

Some weaker Demodands--including one you can take as a familiar!

Dragons based around unusual concepts; a feathery dragons, or one who is insectile or an arachnid dragon. A tentacled-dragon.

Space dragons!

More of the monsters and races from Distant Worlds.

More horrors from the Dark Tapestry, one of which can be taken as a familiar.

More good outsiders! Something to show that good is not being crushed by the darkness!

A good-aligned outsider that uses darkness.

Take back what you said about Agathions not having hyena forms; hyenas have very caring, close-knit family communities. They take proportionally longer care of their children than any other animal (other than humans), and are not deserving of their nasty reputation at all. Lions steal hyena kills more than the other way around.

Golems of abstract concepts solid form.

A 2-dimensional monster.

A monster that wields advanced, quantum mathematics for unusual attacks.

A cute monster, that is actually horrifically evil and malevolent. They tend to act friendly, slowly introducing suffering until they reveal themselves as the monsters they are--then they leave, after making their victim destroy his life.

A monster that is from the future, trying to stop something from happening.

Alternate Shikigami; in myth, shikigami aren't clearly defined, so make some other types than the... rock... thing in the Bestiary 3. Honestly, most of the depictions I've seen of them were like spirit animals, or were made of paper.

A template for creatures made of paper (I think paper-creatures fit the concept of onmyou well, don't you? Fits for a more oriental-feeling campaign).

A creature with an 'acid' attack that is actually a base, bypassing acid resistance.

Chemical creatures.

A construct with a philosopher's stone as it's 'heart'.

The Ghost in the Machine. Well, not a ghost, but a spirit/outsider, designed for technology and machinery.

An angel with guns.

A plant that was once a different species, but it ate a clockwork creature, and now grows organic gears as a clockwork-plant. With spikes, and explosives.

A monster based off of the fungus 'cordyceps'. It takes over an insect's mind and controls its body to make it go someplace where the fungus can release its spores to capture more insects. Insidious and evil.

A being (more accurately, a race or template) or a creature that was stillborn, then had resurrection magic used on it, or was pumped so full of positive energy that it jolted back to mostly-life. Not evil, but odd and has difficulties fitting in. An unusual being.

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Kthulhu wrote:

* Metroid

* Yeah, metroids are Nintendo's IP. But something that's "inspired by" could be pretty cool.

There are two monsters that we've done that have Metroids as their inspiration. That no one seems to notice just means to me that we did them right (and have nothing to worry about legally). :P

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Arikiel wrote:
Biblical Locust. Like with the human heads and scorpion tails and whatnot.

In Yon Olden Tymes I statted up this monster in Green Ronin's "Armies of the Abyss." James and the boys still sometimes reference that book in products, and we try not to violate its continuity unless we have to.

So it's not at all outside the realm of possibility that we might see this creature in Pathfinder some day. It's already there, if un-officially!

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Gluttony wrote:
The point of this topic is to say what we want to see in a future bestiary, not to say no to what other people want to see.

Too true. But don't fret too much. The only parts of this I'm reading are the monster suggestions, so keep them coming!

Paizo Employee Director of Game Development

True! What would be really helpful is if someone went back through all ~730 posts and made a list of each unique listing. :) I'm sure someone is crazy enough to do that.


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:

* Metroid

* Yeah, metroids are Nintendo's IP. But something that's "inspired by" could be pretty cool.
There are two monsters that we've done that have Metroids as their inspiration. That no one seems to notice just means to me that we did them right (and have nothing to worry about legally). :P

Oh? What monster?

And I'm sure I can dig up my mesoamerican monster list again.


You guys did two monsters inspired by metriod, are we talking about in one of the Bestiaries or the APs?

A lot of interesting ideas there Jek.

A storm linnorm would be cool, one head that breaths lightning, another that breaths thunder(sonic), and maybe a third for rain/clouds. But it have to have a name that uses the same language that translates to storm.

Shadow Lodge

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:

* Metroid

* Yeah, metroids are Nintendo's IP. But something that's "inspired by" could be pretty cool.
There are two monsters that we've done that have Metroids as their inspiration. That no one seems to notice just means to me that we did them right (and have nothing to worry about legally). :P

I know about the Ghorazagh. What's the other?


Kthulhu wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:

* Metroid

* Yeah, metroids are Nintendo's IP. But something that's "inspired by" could be pretty cool.
There are two monsters that we've done that have Metroids as their inspiration. That no one seems to notice just means to me that we did them right (and have nothing to worry about legally). :P
I know about the Ghorazagh. What's the other?

Hmm, now I'm intrigued. I'm willing to bet that the two Metroid-inspired monsters wouldn't be in the same book, and of Bestiaries 1 and 2 I think 2 would be more likely. Heh, now I want to find it. :P

--Edit: The most likely two monsters I can find are the Rast in B2 and the Ascomoid in B3. Darn this is tricky.

Shadow Lodge

Well, Ascomoids are pretty much EXACTLY like this one monster in Metroid Prime. Also, keep in mind that Wes might be talking about a monster based on one of the later stages of the metroid life cycle, where it doesn't bear much resemblance to the original metroid.


Well, the Kongamato from Bestiary 3 is practically Ridley :)


Kthulhu wrote:
Well, Ascomoids are pretty much EXACTLY like this one monster in Metroid Prime. Also, keep in mind that Wes might be talking about a monster based on one of the later stages of the metroid life cycle, where it doesn't bear much resemblance to the original metroid.

I tried to keep that in mind, but I don't know much of the other Metroid life-cycle stages, short of what a quick Googling prior to searching the books told me. ^_^'

Humm... Well anyways, on the subject of monsters I want. Something like Cancer (i.e. the Biomass) from the webcomic Romantically Apocalyptic would be both terrifying and awesome. (It reminds me of B3's Kytons actually. Might make a good Kyton)

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Odraude wrote:
Well, the Kongamato from Bestiary 3 is practically Ridley :)

Can't unsee.


The Caulborn looks like one of the later evolutions of the Metriod creature and the Xenomorphs from Alien movies.

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Odraude wrote:
Well, the Kongamato from Bestiary 3 is practically Ridley :)

Huh. You're not wrong. Thanks Africa!

Mikaze wrote:
Can't unsee.

Right!? :P

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Gluttony wrote:
Humm... Well anyways, on the subject of monsters I want. Something like Cancer (i.e. the Biomass) from the webcomic Romantically Apocalyptic would be both terrifying and awesome. (It reminds me of B3's Kytons actually. Might make a good Kyton)

Whoa. What? Got a link?


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Odraude wrote:
Well, the Kongamato from Bestiary 3 is practically Ridley :)

Huh. You're not wrong. Thanks Africa!

Mikaze wrote:
Can't unsee.
Right!? :P

muahahaha! So what's the other Metroid based monster in the bestiary?


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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Odraude wrote:
Well, the Kongamato from Bestiary 3 is practically Ridley :)

Huh. You're not wrong. Thanks Africa!

Mikaze wrote:
Can't unsee.
Right!? :P

...now if I ever send one of these against my players I'm going to have Ridley boss music start going through my head!

Shadow Lodge

Matrixryu wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Odraude wrote:
Well, the Kongamato from Bestiary 3 is practically Ridley :)

Huh. You're not wrong. Thanks Africa!

Mikaze wrote:
Can't unsee.
Right!? :P
...now if I ever send one of these against my players I'm going to have Ridley boss music start going through my head!

Try Metroid Metal's track Ridley, from the album Varia Suite.


As always, I will advocate more Castlevania monsters :)

-A more advanced, fire-breathing cerberus.

-Malphas (or Karasuman), the crow demon.

-lorelai, the sea-monster from Order of Ecclesia.

-nova skeleton

-granfaloon/legion

-amphisbaena/diplocephalus

-the grave digger, from order of ecclesia (resembles a very large man in an overcoat who launches a shovel at you like a javelin, then tries to kill you with sheer strength). Could be human, might be more fun to be something...else.

-lossoth/biphron

Also, only in the last few days did I recognize that rusalka from Bestiary 3 is a boss in Order of Ecclesia :O

Grand Lodge

I would like to see the Jackalope - or at least a Wolpertinger


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Gluttony wrote:
Humm... Well anyways, on the subject of monsters I want. Something like Cancer (i.e. the Biomass) from the webcomic Romantically Apocalyptic would be both terrifying and awesome. (It reminds me of B3's Kytons actually. Might make a good Kyton)
Whoa. What? Got a link?

http://romanticallyapocalyptic.com/

Paizo Employee Director of Game Development

Starsunder wrote:
-granfaloon/legion

Here's where I admit I haven't played very many video games...

This request seriously tripped me up. First, I couldn't see ANY connection between Granfalloon and Legion that warranted a "/", but that's because the references provided by my brain came from Vonnegut and the Bible.

...But after a little searching, I found my answer.

(Also, we can't use other folk's IP, but, thankfully, a lot of these ideas are old and are just retold, reimagined from folklore, to novels, to movies, to games, and so on. The trick is sticking to the folklore and making the story your own. It may look different, but it's got the same feel and place.)


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Gluttony wrote:
Humm... Well anyways, on the subject of monsters I want. Something like Cancer (i.e. the Biomass) from the webcomic Romantically Apocalyptic would be both terrifying and awesome. (It reminds me of B3's Kytons actually. Might make a good Kyton)
Whoa. What? Got a link?

Certainly, I've got a few in fact.

Here's two pages that I think really showcase the horror of the biomass quite well:
Romantically Apocalyptic 73
Romatically Apocalyptic 57

And the latter half of this page shows off the "mass" aspect of the biomass, rather than the "avatar" aspects of singular creatures as shown in the other two pages. It also shows off the monster's terrifying absorbtion abilities:
Romantically Apocalyptic 59

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