And it is a feat for high Dex characters, there is no point in thinking about why a fighter that can wear heavy armor isn't using it, the question is why isn't every multiclass rogue using it.Sneak attacking with two weapon fighting is better? Unless you are allowed to use unarmed strike as part of TWF with this feat. :p
I think bards would benefit better, since they would want to get perform anyway, and are already having to split several stats.
The problem with bards is that they don't get scimitar profiency....
The only bard that can really use this feat is the dervish dancer since they trade whip profiency for scimitar.
Have you seen Inner Sea Magic's Dawnflower Dervish yet?
Its pretty much pure win for Dervish Dancing :)
And it is a feat for high Dex characters, there is no point in thinking about why a fighter that can wear heavy armor isn't using it, the question is why isn't every multiclass rogue using it.Sneak attacking with two weapon fighting is better? Unless you are allowed to use unarmed strike as part of TWF with this feat. :p
I think bards would benefit better, since they would want to get perform anyway, and are already having to split several stats.
The problem with bards is that they don't get scimitar profiency....
The only bard that can really use this feat is the dervish dancer since they trade whip profiency for scimitar.
True, in order for a bard to have scimitar prof. is to be a half elf, be a dervish dancer (UC) or be a downflower dervish (ISM)
Or be human and take the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat.
Or be human and take the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat.
A bard doesn't start with BAB +1.
Or be human and take the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat.A bard doesn't start with BAB +1.
Luckily thats irrelevant. Only Exotic Proficiency requires that.
Luckily thats irrelevant. Only Exotic Proficiency requires that.Or be human and take the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat.A bard doesn't start with BAB +1.
You are right, i thought that it had +1 BAB as a prerequisite.
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I know that the comparison I'm about to draw is coincidental, but after Drizzt I'm completely burnt out on nimble scimitar wielding fighters. I know Paizo created this feat because of their love for Saranrae (evidenced by all of the dawnflower references in feats, traits, modules, pregens, campaign stories from the devs, etc...)
I thought it was made for James Jacobs' pet PC?
3.5 dnd carry over?You are right, i thought that it had +1 BAB as a prerequisite.Luckily thats irrelevant. Only Exotic Proficiency requires that.Or be human and take the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat.A bard doesn't start with BAB +1.
No i just checked the SRD, it didn't have a BAB +1 requirement, maybe NWN 1 or 2 had that? Or i was just wrong.
Or be human and take the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat.
Either way, as a bard you either have to burn a feat(or the equivalent in the case of half-elves), or take certain archtypes.
i cannot for the life of me understand why the scimitar is so closely affiliated w/ the dervish in PF... historically they were holy men who usually had a vow of poverty. their dance is just that, a dance. meant to bring on religious ecstasy thru physical exertion. the only weapon they are actually associated with is the billao, a form of short sword.
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First of all to those saying that with dervish dance you can dump STR, yes sure you can but if you want increased damage you have to have a minimum of STR 13 for power attack (you can't use piranha strike with a scimitar).The band-aid solution was to use a small scimitar (and eat a -2)
Of course with agile weapons this isn't the case.
Yep....now we eat five levels of yuck until we have 8k for a +2 weapon.
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You can't use Dervish Dance with a scimitar that isn't appropriately sized for you.
Benefit: When wielding a scimitar with one hand, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist’s precise strike ability). The scimitar must be for a creature of your size. You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand.
Emphasis mine.
7 Str? Better be a Dwarf because you can barely function in your equipment due to encumbrance.
And too many things do strength damage/penalty to go that low. One hit to Str and you collapse under your equipment.
"Ignore him, he can't move. Let's get that caster over there!"Read the rules a little more. Temporary ability damage and temporary ability penalties do not actually lower the affected stat. If you have 7 STR and 4 STR damage, you still have 7 STR... you just have some damage on it. You just begin to take penalties to certain things that are strength based, and encumbrance is not one of them. Read the section of the Core Rulebook that covers ability damage/penalty.
Yeah, was thinking 3.5, where people even used it to validate damaging away Power Attack, which in turn could take out a PrC's whole set of abilities. I do like the change, as you don't have whole builds crumple.
Still wouldn't want to only be able to carry armor and one weapon. Too feeble for imagery of any hero I'd want to play.
i cannot for the life of me understand why the scimitar is so closely affiliated w/ the dervish in PF... historically they were holy men who usually had a vow of poverty. their dance is just that, a dance. meant to bring on religious ecstasy thru physical exertion. the only weapon they are actually associated with is the billao, a form of short sword.Two reasons:
1) Because PF borrowed a lot of D&D lore, and D&D Dervishes were scimitar wielders.
2) Because the term "dervish" has more than one meaning.
Also, as with many foreign terms adopted into the English language by the British during their colonial period, the term "Dervish" was misunderstood by the Brits and turned into a pejorative way of referring to any enemy combatant in an Arabic or Persian region.
The way we (D&D/Pathfinder players) use the term could actually be quite insulting. It's a bit like if we used the term "Brave" (As in "Indian Brave") as the name of the Ranger class, then only gave the class proficiency with bows and tomahawks.
I'm not offended by it, and I've never met anyone who is, so I'm certainly not going to stop using the word "Dervish", but the word does have an interesting history.
+1 I always try and include a history lesson in every campaign. :)