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i'm playing a grappling monk with the jaw breaker and greater grapple. so here is my question:
if i have a cleric grappled, disarmed him of his holy symbol, then i break his jaw, will he be able to heal his jaw or cast without the silent spell meta-magic feat?
my GM is saying that a cleric doesn't need a physical holy symbol in pathfinder, that if his clothing has the symbol of his god that it is good enough.
so if that is true how would i stop that cleric from casting spells?
Don't argue with your GM it doesn't get you anywhere. That said I would rule that it isn't good enough and he wasn't ready for what you did and felt like he had to "win" against the PC's so he bent the rules. Does he do stuff like this often?
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I could see how the GM ruled that a symbol on his clothing or whatnot counted as a divine focus. Getting around the grappled condition is a different story.Healing spells require a somatic component and no holy symbol so by RAW if he is grappled he could not cast a cure spell.
Divine Focus (DF)
A divine focus component is an item of spiritual significance. The divine focus for a cleric or a paladin is a holy symbol appropriate to the character's faith. The divine focus for a druid or a ranger is a sprig of holly, or some other sacred plant.
If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash)
Grappling or Pinned
The only spells you can cast while grappling or pinned are those without somatic components and whose material components (if any) you have in hand. Even so, you must make a concentration check (DC 10 + the grappler's CMB + the level of the spell you're casting) or lose the spell.
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Don't argue with your GM it doesn't get you anywhere. That said I would rule that it isn't good enough and he wasn't ready for what you did and felt like he had to "win" against the PC's so he bent the rules. Does he do stuff like this often?
we were talking in purely hypotheticals. i was describing my character and he was telling me, basically, that his cleric would still be able to get past my character.
i understand that a gm has the final say, but i play by the rules written if a gm decides to change them to suit his campaign then i dont get pissy or argue, ill just go with the flow.
but that's not the issue, i was more wondering if there was a mechanic i was missing with a cleric and its ability to cast.
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I could see how the GM ruled that a symbol on his clothing or whatnot counted as a divine focus. Getting around the grappled condition is a different story.Healing spells require a somatic component and no holy symbol so by RAW if he is grappled he could not cast a cure spell.
Divine Focus (DF)
A divine focus component is an item of spiritual significance. The divine focus for a cleric or a paladin is a holy symbol appropriate to the character's faith. The divine focus for a druid or a ranger is a sprig of holly, or some other sacred plant.
If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash)
Grappling or Pinned
The only spells you can cast while grappling or pinned are those without somatic components and whose material components (if any) you have in hand. Even so, you must make a concentration check (DC 10 + the grappler's CMB + the level of the spell you're casting) or lose the spell.
what about a channel positive energy? i know a holy symbol is necessary for that, so would a cleric pinned to the ground be able to show off his clothing (tatoo, etc..) and still channel?
If you break their jaw then they can't cast spells that require somatic components. If he tries to pull off more s*~* like that just make up something physically impossible and allow your character to do it.
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what about a channel positive energy? i know a holy symbol is necessary for that, so would a cleric pinned to the ground be able to show off his clothing (tatoo, etc..) and still channel?
Well, if the GM ruled that the symbols on the clothing or tattoo works as the divine focus (as a long time GM that does not seem unreasonable to me) then yes they would still be able to channel positive or negative energy.
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If you break their jaw then they can't cast spells that require somatic components. If he tries to pull off more s!~! like that just make up something physically impossible and allow your character to do it.
Actually, with a broken jaw he can't cast spells with a verbal component. Somatic means he has to gesture, hence as soon as he was grappled he shouldn't have been able to cast anyway. The jaw-breaking was unnecessary... or necessary only because it's awesome. Awesecessary?
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If you break their jaw then they can't cast spells that require somatic components. If he tries to pull off more s!~! like that just make up something physically impossible and allow your character to do it.Actually, with a broken jaw he can't cast spells with a verbal component. Somatic means he has to gesture, hence as soon as he was grappled he shouldn't have been able to cast anyway. The jaw-breaking was unnecessary... or necessary only because it's awesome. Awesecessary?
jaw breaker stops still spell, and grapple/pinning is a counter to silent spell. it adds physical damage again and 1d4 bleed damage, buying time for chokehold to be set up. basically i want to wreck all casters with my monk and at level 9 i will be able to stop freedom of movement and apply dimentional anchor as a swift action stopping teleporting contingent nonsense. i feel the jaw breaker is vitally important to this build, not to mention i can smack a dragon in the face and stop its bite and swallow whole abilities.
so basically jawbreaker helps me cement my anti caster role in the party.
and yeah it is awesecessary :)
*edit* mixed up the counters lol