/unlurk
The randomwalker suddenly unlurks and congratulates DM and all players on a very well written and entertaining read (and an absolutely amazing posting rate).
The randomwalker takes the liberty to suggest the party is exposed to the dish called Hákarl, before slipping out of focus again.
/relurk
Those characters who have been inquiring about local foodstuffs may feel free to add Hákarl to the list.
Thanks for the tip!
Rhost will definitely be picking up some of that.
And it's fish, so Melinda will eat it!
Okay, this is how I understand the crafting rules to work. Please correct me if I am wrong.
As an example, Rhost makes a dagger.
A dagger costs 20 sp and the Crafting DC is 12. So a minimally successful roll (resulting in a 12) would be multiplied by the DC (of 12) to make 144. 144 is greater than 20, so Rhost can make the dagger in a week. In fact, it's seven times greater, so with this check Rhost could make seven daggers in a week -- or one in a day.
So far, so good. But let's say Rhost wanted to make a masterwork dagger. So he makes the check above for the easy part, and then needs to start building successes for the "masterwork" component. 3000 sp, DC of 20. Let's say (for sake of simplicity) that Rhost rolls exactly enough for a result of 20 each time. 20x20=400. So in roughly eight weeks of crafting work (plus one day for the base dagger roll), Rhost has finally accumulated > 3000 progress, and finished a masterwork dagger.
Moral of the story? Masterwork is master work.
Now -- can Rhost actually spend time crafting while the caravan is moving (if we are not otherwise rushing around and exploring), or would I need to limit such work to those days we are still for > 8 hours during the day (time in town and repair days)?
Those characters who have been inquiring about local foodstuffs may feel free to add Hákarl to the list.
** spoiler omitted **
Thanks for the tip!
I saw that episode of No Reservations ewwwww!
...is that a meal or something Lovecraft cut out of At the Mountains of Madness for being too terrifying?
You can Craft while the Caravan is in motion, including Smithing. The restriction is you cannot perform two eight-hour tasks in the same day without certain kinds of magic aid. So you can't Craft and be Cook on the same day.
Having read the rules, misread the rules, re-read the rules, and asked Mana to double-check my interpretation of the rules, I think I'm fairly solid on the Craft rules.
And while I'm at it, my final purchase list for Rhost (which is changed slightly from the one I sent to you when I started looking at the money involved) is this:
Reta-size armored kilt & underthings, masterwork breastplate, sharpened combat scabbard, masterwork smithing tools, 4 bells, two intended Koya gifts (Pocketed scarf, cold-weather gear), regional food (a bit of everything you mentioned plus Hákarl), raw smithing materials. I will integrate it into the character sheet before the weekend is over.
Hrithik now officially <3 Shalelu
(he still adores others more, but Shalelu just vaulted and quadruple backflipped onto the list)
this can only end in sorrow. tears and sorrow.
:P
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I have been made aware, on multiple occasions, that my preferences for OOC first are distinctly in the minority in this group. In a roundabout way of logic, I was trying not to force a burdensomely long and undesired OOC discussion onto you, especially since Hrithik's turning the corner and ultimately being more restrained has been taken firmly in hand by the four main NPCs. Sorry if the end result has felt bait and switch rather than insightful and influential over Hrithik's messed up psyche.
Hrithik has been increasingly playing the role of the Fool, and is increasingly perceiving Melinda in the role of the Queen. He couldn't give any Peer more authority to issue commands to him if he tried. (On the queen look-alike comment: seriously, look up a picture of Abrogail. Pale skin, green eyes, goth-black hair, teenaged leader possibly bearing unusual essence in her blood. Except for being diametrically opposite people, they are very similar to each other.)
Hrithik's pickle thing has been about demonstrating Inferiority. Acting the Fool gives permission to prank, but relegates the prankster to dead-last social status. Since the pickles are also redeemable Favors, post-Kopparberget, they are effectively moderately valuable Gifts, from a Fool, demonstrating his subservience.
Thus the laugh thing. Hrithik has been setting up situations where he is supposed to be laughed at ... but instead Melinda has been offended, and wary, and uninterested. Hrithik is using Melinda's spell to convey what he has been doing the past few days.
Yes, Hrithik finding scary powerful angry women hot is obviously messed up, but it is sincere. The more Melinda facially looks just like Liothonae with her expressions of anger and irritation, while looking just like Abrogail with her Appearance and bearing, the hotter Melinda becomes to Hrithik ... because she appears similar to powerful women who demanded and commanded his respect.
Melinda can smash Hrithik with the "Just Like Mistress" hammer if she wants. Melinda, even more powerful right now with her granted Superior Peer status, can punch him in the nose, or spit in his eye, or just simply properly Chelishly laugh in his face, and for all his words he will have to take it and acknowledge her higher station.
If she just snaps and Rages at him, he is completely hers. If she points out his emulation of Mistress, he disintegrates. If she walks away hurt, he shatters. For all his words, he is broken and not yet fully reordered at the moment. All of the real power to remake things radically, or not, in the Alchemy wagon, is Melinda's to choose.
Mel will never play the Mistress card. It would cause too much pain, and it isn't in her to do that.
Raging would be a bit ooc in this moment, but doable. But frankly, she doesn't want Hrithik. And I think it would make this game very unfun for Alaric. (Which does matter to me.)
However, Mel's most IC action, would be to be hurt. However, Mana has an issue with shattering someone. And doing so to ANOTHER character would greatly screw up Mel.
So... what options are you giving me here?
Okay peoples...
Passenger wagon
Storage wagon
Both?
I votes passenger.
Hrithik has set his character up to have a breakdown in this scene; Melinda does not particularly want her character to be placed in the position of giving another character a breakdown at this point, if ever.
Possible solution:
Melinda's potential action was going to be along the lines of (with some potential additions or variations): At end of speech, drop spell, say how much pain Hrithik has caused by what he said, start to leave. Hrithik has said this action would indeed trigger a breakdown.
My suggestion would be to make a slight variation on this action --
Instead of "start to leave" -- leave.
Don't wait to see his reaction. Don't give him time to respond. Don't allow him the opportunity to affect you emotionally any more in the scene, positively or negatively, to cause you to feel pity or shame or regret or angst or responsibility or whatever his breakdown would make you feel. Be hurt, get out. You don't know how he responds, and assume it is whatever you would assume the normal Hrithik response to be.
Say your piece and get out. Hrithik has his breakdown alone, and Melinda never knows about it.
Comments/thoughts:
1) Hrithik, what would your reaction/response to Melinda going forward be following such an occurrence? She seems to have some concerns about how this is going to play out long term.
2) I believe events in another scene will soon lead to Hrithik making the "won't eavesdrop any more" statement to Melinda at a different time not may days later, eliminating that concern from this particular scene. Hrithik, please confirm if so.
3) Melinda, to check in, how would this scene affect your response to Hrithik going forward?
4) Assuming the answers to the above three questions are acceptable to both sides, is this how you would like to proceed, or would one or both of you like to suggest something different?
I'd at least want another covered wagon. But I wouldn't say no to a supply wagon if we have the covered wagon.
Passenger wagon
Storage wagon
Both?
I vote covered (passenger). This should come as no surprise.
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Mel will never play the Mistress card. It would cause too much pain, and it isn't in her to do that.
Raging would be a bit ooc in this moment, but doable. But frankly, she doesn't want Hrithik. And I think it would make this game very unfun for Alaric. (Which does matter to me.)
Mel doesn't have to want him for him to be hers to do with as she pleases. Queen of Rage leaves Hrithik "intact" but makes him subservient to Mel. Understand if that's not a place desired, but it is definitely an option on the table.
However, Mel's most IC action, would be to be hurt. However, Mana has an issue with shattering someone. And doing so to ANOTHER character would greatly screw up Mel. So... what options are you giving me here?
Does it change Mana's opinion about shattering someone if part of that person desperately wants to be shattered, and if that part of that person is trying to get back to the mind-state with grandpa Rokuro, full of anger and awareness, in a deliberate effort to be properly broken all the way, and therefore more properly rebuildable?
Would it change Mel's opinion if Destroying Him to Save Him was in fact the best possible option for his work toward redemption? Would that make it something that wouldn't screw her up?
My suggestion would be to make a slight variation on this action --
Instead of "start to leave" -- leave.
Don't wait to see his reaction. Don't give him time to respond. Don't allow him the opportunity to affect you emotionally any more in the scene, positively or negatively, to cause you to feel pity or shame or regret or angst or responsibility or whatever his breakdown would make you feel. Be hurt, get out. You don't know how he responds, and assume it is whatever you would assume the normal Hrithik response to be.
Say your piece and get out. Hrithik has his breakdown alone, and Melinda never knows about it.
Just abruptly leaving, whether hurt or angry, will piss the hell out of Hrithik ... get him into a truly towering rage - "she really isn't as "strong" as Abrogail", to his read of it. But he's established enough Subservience that it would not be his place to run after her and castigate her once she has ended the interaction. Quickly enough he will have to ask why his Queen left him so rudely, and will only have her final words to focus on.
Cycling between rage at those words and understanding of those words should make him mutely angrier yet more understanding with each cycle. Quickly enough, that leads back to Brinewall Vault, he can emotionally explode and intellectually put it together himself. Explosion has nowhere to go but him. Boom.
1) Hrithik, what would your reaction/response to Melinda going forward be following such an occurrence? She seems to have some concerns about how this is going to play out long term.
2) I believe events in another scene will soon lead to Hrithik making the "won't eavesdrop any more" statement to Melinda at a different time not may days later, eliminating that concern from this particular scene. Hrithik, please confirm if so.
1) When Hrithik gets his head screwed on right, post-breakdown, his immediate space will be that she is even *stronger* than Abrogail and Mistress. They ruled their systems but they were still bound and enslaved by their systems. She just completely busted free - obviously more powerful.
Given the conversation that the breakdown flows directly into, Hrithik's next interaction with Melinda would be to apologize for eavesdropping ... barely avoiding tears and blubbering and probably over-gifting her at the same time. His long-term response would be inverting the She is My Superior dynamic from creepy devil lust/love to just Love, in the friendly and spiritual senses. He will feel ridiculously indebted to her, as he feels ridiculously indebted to Ameiko and Rokuro.
Beyond that, there will probably now be a rather extreme costuming change come the end of Kopparberget, and a rather scathing series of opinions toward Hrithik That Was.
2) Yes, absolutely. The breakdown will probably trigger one scene with Lio, then preface and frame and suffuse the scene after that. Hrithik will absolutely follow the guidance in that scene, possibly up to and including doing an apology at an embarrassing time (middle of camp, etc.).
Happy to proceed this way. Also happy to proceed with Full Breakdown on screen with Melinda staying for it. Also happy to proceed with No Breakdown but Hrithik subservient to Melinda outside of the Lab Wagon in a messed up lust/love/respect place. All of it brings his spy/spotter behaviors to an end, and each is a fine, if different, journey for me.3) Melinda, to check in, how would this scene affect your response to Hrithik going forward?
4) Assuming the answers to the above three questions are acceptable to both sides, is this how you would like to proceed, or would one or both of you like to suggest something different?
3) Honestly, she doesn't like structures of the dominant/subservient style that Hrithik seems to depends on. She'll accept someone as an equal, or but it's not in her to lead... and obviously not really in her to follow either. Mel will be fine. guilty at the breakdown, but if she can fix it, as opposed to the Lio one where nothing she could do did any good... she'll be okay.
We good?
And serves no point but to humiliate, which is not needed pain.
Sounds like a covered wagon is a GO!
People seem to be leaning against getting a supply wagon Right Now, but leaving it open for Karlsgard.
Any thoughts on getting Reinforcements for a wagon? I know Tollin is in favor, so I think that's two votes for right now.
Sounds like a covered wagon is a GO!
People seem to be leaning against getting a supply wagon Right Now, but leaving it open for Karlsgard.
Any thoughts on getting Reinforcements for a wagon? I know Tollin is in favor, so I think that's two votes for right now.
...She turns to Sandru, and in a lower voice, "Assuming it is not needed elsewhere, I do again have a bit to contribute to the caravan. Can you please let me know if we have the need?"
also, she would make a point to know if there are additional storage spaces not being used before we leave Kopparberget. If there are, she would buy one more lot of stores and perhaps something else for the caravan on her own if they are not filled and her funds are not requested for other uses. She is a bit short on being able to get campsite traps on her own (though she will consider selling off some of her things if there are 2 storage spaces left unfilled)...and next level, she actually can start placing two of her own traps.
Of course she will clear things with Sandru first.
I think i've got it finagled to -1 consumption, half of the time, assuming tollin is willing to drive half the time so Kalimac can scout half the time.
I think.
And we can afford to reinforce one wagon.
The fortuneteller's wagon has already been reinforced.
Current in progress caravan sheet: HERE
Any thoughts on getting Reinforcements for a wagon? I know Tollin is in favor, so I think that's two votes for right now.
Assuming that our consumption is reasonable, I am Entirely In Favor on Reinforcing a wagon. With no preference as to which is Reinforced next (since the fortune-teller wagon is already Taken Care Of).
...and out of curiosity, since Rhost might be taking time off from Cooking to Craft, can we get it to -2 (even if in a non-ideal fashion)? Or should we put up extra consumables?
We do have room for one more non-magically inclined scout ~ which would drop consumption by 3.
we just don't have one right now
Silmemir can put a rank into Survival instead of perception to become a scout next level if that will help.
Myri is planning on purchasing at least one extra set of Store (which equates to 10 units of provisions) which could take care of short term crafting needs. If you have longer term plans for crafting you will have to ask Ry or someone who knows the rules better. I'm planning on making my determination on what Myri will do in conjunction with Sandru after we know what kind of storage space we have left
Cooks and drivers are the most inexpensive positions to hire thou... however each hired cook only reduces the consumption by 1 effectively.
Cooks and drivers are the most inexpensive positions to hire thou... however each hired cook only reduces the consumption by 1 effectively.
And can we really accept another cook after Rhost? I say no.
Cooks and drivers are the most inexpensive positions to hire thou... however each hired cook only reduces the consumption by 1 effectively.
And can we really accept another cook after Rhost? I say no.
If Rhost is going to inflict Hákarl on us, we may have to. ;-)
If Rhost is going to inflict Hákarl on us, we may have to. ;-)
I think that might result in an alignment slip. Rhost: CE cook. "Who wants kitten broiled in the tears of orphans? How about papercut pie garnished with the rejection letter from a safety publisher? Pan-seared genocide maybe?"
I think that might result in an alignment slip. Rhost: CE cook. "Who wants kitten broiled in the tears of orphans? How about papercut pie garnished with the rejection letter from a safety publisher? Pan-seared genocide maybe?"
It's not like Rhost is serving casu marzu here (and if you don't know, I recommend not looking it up). Or durian.
Although I will say that it has taken me longer to find a recipe that includes hákarl (other than "drink with ice-cold brennivín") than any other ingredient to date.
Most people still seem to be happily Kopparbergeting or catching up on flexed conversations, so I'm probably going to leave things in town for a little while yet to let things catch up some more. And it'd be good to get the Caravan details completely settled first before moving on anyway, if possible. But moving on will happen at some point, though, no matter what's going on with those (shocking, I know).
"Kopparbergeting" sounds like something people did in the Bible to produce new generations of Koppars.
"And that, Timmy, is how we get policemen!"
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Hrithik's Vault meltdown got immediately interrupted and intervened on by Liothonae. His first consensual anything ever put the breaks on the disintegration. Ry and I have been working out other ways to move him forward, because Hrithik has been "half broken" ever since. All the acceptance and care from Lio isn't doing him any favors where his flaws are concerned.
Melinda stalking out after he gave her the Last Word will definitely engage the "finish the meltdown" angle, and speed up the transformational process significantly.
I figure this scene happened AFTER the evening crafting with Lio. So at least you don't have to worry about the breakdown being interrupted again...
"And that, Timmy, is how we get policemen!"
ha! <3
Most people still seem to be happily Kopparbergeting or catching up on flexed conversations, so I'm probably going to leave things in town for a little while yet to let things catch up some more. And it'd be good to get the Caravan details completely settled first before moving on anyway, if possible. But moving on will happen at some point, though, no matter what's going on with those (shocking, I know).
wir sind am quatschen :P
No worries. It's just after what Mel did to Lio, she's been trying very hard to give the elven woman space.
And we're off! Back to the smell of the open road!
Me too... business trips until Friday; will try to check in regularly though.
monday's a holiday! woot! :)
Quick note -- Next weekend (October 15/16), I am going to be taking a weekend trip to Munich in the interest of seeing what it looks like when an entire town is hungover. My posting that weekend between Saturday morning and Sunday night my time will be very limited if it happens at all.
However, looking ahead in the module, that by coincidence does happen to fall, by my estimation, right about when you should be in the middle of fighting off a savage horde of [SPOILER DELETED], so I actually don't think it will slow things down TOO terribly much.
Quick note -- Next weekend (October 15/16), I am going to be taking a weekend trip to Munich in the interest of seeing what it looks like when an entire town is hungover. My posting that weekend between Saturday morning and Sunday night my time will be very limited if it happens at all.
However, looking ahead in the module, that by coincidence does happen to fall, by my estimation, right about when you should be in the middle of fighting off a savage horde of [SPOILER DELETED], so I actually don't think it will slow things down TOO terribly much.
The old town in Munich is fun. They've got some great shops. You could get a Dirndl! There was even an Egyptian store there last time I was in Munich. And a good sized book store, and castles! I have a cuckoo clock from Munich. The old fashioned kind. Anyway, I ramble. Have fun!