Quick question:
Can an elven Magus wield a Curveblade (two-handed) and still benefit from Spell Combat and Spell Strike?
If not, is there a feat or something else that will allow him to do so?
Hi Thomas,
Your elven magus can use his curveblade freely with Spell Strike.
He cannot however wield a two-handed weapon when using Spell Combat.
He could enlarge himself and afterwards pick up the normalsiced curveblade and use it in one hand, but that would entail a -2 penalty for inappropiate size.
In 3.5 there was a monkey grip feat, wich would allow you to use a larger weapon, but I don't think it allowed to reduce the effort needed for two-handed weapons.
RAW there is no way in PRPG for you to use a curveblade with Spell Combat. With Spell Strike you are ok.
PS: Are you from Denmark?
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He could enlarge himself and afterwards pick up the normalsiced curveblade and use it in one hand, but that would entail a -2 penalty for inappropiate size.
Kinda the opposite from this idea, but... you could just pick up a Small Curvedblade. You would still get the -2 for inappropriate size, but you'd be able to wield it one-handed.
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He could enlarge himself and afterwards pick up the normalsiced curveblade and use it in one hand, but that would entail a -2 penalty for inappropiate size.Kinda the opposite from this idea, but... you could just pick up a Small Curvedblade. You would still get the -2 for inappropriate size, but you'd be able to wield it one-handed.
Isn't a small curveblade essentialy a scimitar, with an additional -2 penalty to hit?
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Isn't a small curveblade essentialy a scimitar, with an additional -2 penalty to hit?He could enlarge himself and afterwards pick up the normalsiced curveblade and use it in one hand, but that would entail a -2 penalty for inappropiate size.Kinda the opposite from this idea, but... you could just pick up a Small Curvedblade. You would still get the -2 for inappropriate size, but you'd be able to wield it one-handed.
Its damage is 1d8 instead of 1d6. But slightly higher base damage isn't worth the decreased accuracy in my opinion.
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The idea was to have an elven dex based Magus (or other fighter/magic user). I think the idea stems from the old D&D where elves were a character class, with an equal mix of magic and fighting ability. And yes I know that I could just drop the Curveblad. But I would also like to a two handed character that wasn't str based. You can still be dangerous in hand to hand, just pick Power Attack...
Well, enough of my ramblings.
If you are a dexterity based magus, you really want to use a scimitar.
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If you are a dexterity based magus, you really want to use a scimitar.The idea was to have an elven dex based Magus (or other fighter/magic user). I think the idea stems from the old D&D where elves were a character class, with an equal mix of magic and fighting ability. And yes I know that I could just drop the Curveblad. But I would also like to a two handed character that wasn't str based. You can still be dangerous in hand to hand, just pick Power Attack...
Well, enough of my ramblings.
Why? Scimitar is a one-handede weapon...it does not benefit from weapon finesse.
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Why? Scimitar is a one-handede weapon...it does not benefit from weapon finesse.If you are a dexterity based magus, you really want to use a scimitar.The idea was to have an elven dex based Magus (or other fighter/magic user). I think the idea stems from the old D&D where elves were a character class, with an equal mix of magic and fighting ability. And yes I know that I could just drop the Curveblad. But I would also like to a two handed character that wasn't str based. You can still be dangerous in hand to hand, just pick Power Attack...
Well, enough of my ramblings.
Dervish Dance.
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Yes, but doesn't that feat (Dervish Dance) require Weapon Finesse?Dervish Dance.
Why? Scimitar is a one-handede weapon...it does not benefit from weapon finesse.
Yes, it does, but Dervish Dance allows you to use Dex for both Attack AND Damage when wielding a scimitar in one hand and nothing in the other.
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Its damage is 1d8 instead of 1d6. But slightly higher base damage isn't worth the decreased accuracy in my opinion.Isn't a small curveblade essentialy a scimitar, with an additional -2 penalty to hit?He could enlarge himself and afterwards pick up the normalsiced curveblade and use it in one hand, but that would entail a -2 penalty for inappropiate size.Kinda the opposite from this idea, but... you could just pick up a Small Curvedblade. You would still get the -2 for inappropriate size, but you'd be able to wield it one-handed.
I wasn't saying it was optimal, just giving an option :P
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Dervish Dance.
Why? Scimitar is a one-handede weapon...it does not benefit from weapon finesse.Yes, but doesn't that feat (Dervish Dance) require Weapon Finesse?
I think i read that somewhere...
In which book is Dervish Dance?
It's in the Qadira book and also in the Inner Sea World Guide. Prerequisites are 2 ranks in Perform (dance) and Weapon Finesse.
Still, getting dexterity on damage is pretty awesome for a dexterity based magus. He'd still need Strength 13 to qualify for Power Attack (since Piranha Strike only works with light weapons), but for most dexterity based characters, dexterity on scimitar damage is better than the increased PA damage for two-handed weapons, especially if the class isn't full BAB.|
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He could enlarge himself and afterwards pick up the normalsiced curveblade and use it in one hand, but that would entail a -2 penalty for inappropiate size.Kinda the opposite from this idea, but... you could just pick up a Small Curvedblade. You would still get the -2 for inappropriate size, but you'd be able to wield it one-handed.
Just FYI, this wuoldn't really meet the OP's interest anyway, since you can't Finesse a curve blade one size smaller than you (as it's a one-handed, not light, weapon, and by RAW you can only Finesse a curve blade "sized for you").
Ok, so elven curve blade is truly a 2h weapon you can use finesse on? That seems wonky to me... I thought it was a misprint, or else it was like the bastard sword... Martial for 2h, exotic to wield it 1h.
You cannot finesse a weapon that is not sized for you though so rapier is a better way to go.
In 3.5 there was a weapon called the Elven Thinblade (I think I have that right, I can no longer remember what book it was in). In stat terms, it was a rapier that did a d8 damage and was an exotic weapon. With Pathfinder allowing elves free curveblade proficiency, it's not a far stretch to allow free proficiency with this weapon as well. It's essentially identical to a curveblade, but one size category down (in the same way that a shortsword is a sized down longsword).
Mind you, I can't say whether or not your DM will allow the weapon. You may also need to double check that the damage conversion is in line with Pathfinder's rules for weapon sizes. If you scale the curveblade down one size step you should arrive at a suitable damage die.
Ok, so elven curve blade is truly a 2h weapon you can use finesse on? That seems wonky to me... I thought it was a misprint, or else it was like the bastard sword... Martial for 2h, exotic to wield it 1h.That's why it's exotic, mate.
Except it's listed as 2h. So which is it 2h or 1h? The description (at least in my book, haven't checked errata for it) says nothing about it being 1h, just that you can use weapon finesse with it.
The exotic part about the curve blade is its a 2 handed weapon that can be used with Weapon Finesse. The exotic part with bastard sword is it can be wielded 1h or 2 handed. Just talk to your GM about it.
If you're interested in Bladebound archetype, you can't use the curveblade for the bladebound archetype since the curveblade itself is not a 1-h slashing weapon. Again, you could ask your GM.
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In 3.5 there was a weapon called the Elven Thinblade (I think I have that right, I can no longer remember what book it was in). In stat terms, it was a rapier that did a d8 damage and was an exotic weapon. With Pathfinder allowing elves free curveblade proficiency, it's not a far stretch to allow free proficiency with this weapon as well. It's essentially identical to a curveblade, but one size category down (in the same way that a shortsword is a sized down longsword).
Mind you, I can't say whether or not your DM will allow the weapon. You may also need to double check that the damage conversion is in line with Pathfinder's rules for weapon sizes. If you scale the curveblade down one size step you should arrive at a suitable damage die.
The weapon more-or-less already exists in Pathfinder, except it's called the Aldori dueling sword.
It's a 2 handed weapon that you can finesse, a specific exception to the rules regarding weapon finesse.Except it's listed as 2h. So which is it 2h or 1h? The description (at least in my book, haven't checked errata for it) says nothing about it being 1h, just that you can use weapon finesse with it.Ok, so elven curve blade is truly a 2h weapon you can use finesse on? That seems wonky to me... I thought it was a misprint, or else it was like the bastard sword... Martial for 2h, exotic to wield it 1h.That's why it's exotic, mate.
AH... Ok, makes sense but... weird.
Quick question:
Can an elven Magus wield a Curveblade (two-handed) and still benefit from Spell Combat and Spell Strike?
If not, is there a feat or something else that will allow him to do so?
Does your group allow 3rd party products? If so you want to check out Ultimate Options: New Magus Arcana From super genius games. Their enrune Great Weapon and Greater Enrune Great Weapon Arcana allow a way around the one hand free restriction for 2handed fighting by spending Arcane Pool Points.
And yes I'm from Denmark, why do you ask?
I am always trying to network with Danish pathfinders.
If you like, you can drop me a line on your location and the game you play at pathfinder.society@live.dk
Ok I have a player wanting a Falchion wielding magus. Would this be the same as the curved blade or would he not be able to do spell combat as it doesn't have finessable properties of the Curved Blade?
Falchion runs into the same issue as the curved blade, falchion is a two-handed weapon. The issue isn't if it can be finessed, which it cannot, but spell combat requires one free hand. However,if you're the GM, you always have the option of doing a house rule that would allow the use of a 2 handed weapon.
Thank you, that is basically where I am at and what I told my players. "If I decide to allow it, it would be a house rule." I am still undecided yet am considering allowing it.
I wrote up a feat that allows this and I think the cost of a feat is about right to use two weapon fighting with spell combat. I also took the attack roll down a notch, but depending on your power level you could simply stick with the standard -2.
This is from my upcoming pdf Advanced Feats: Might of the Magus
Greatweapon Spell Combat (Combat)
You can use spell combat with a two handed weapon.
Prerequisite: Str 15, Spell Combat
Benefit: You may use Spell Combat while wielding a two handed weapon but suffer an additional -1 penalty on all attack rolls for a total of -3.
Special: A bladebound Magus with this feat may select a two handed slashing weapon for their black blade.
Commentary – Fans of a certain albino fantasy character should not be made to come so close yet remain so far away from emulating anti-hero of choice. I think the attack penalty and cost of a feat about makes up for the extra damage potential you get with a two hander. I was somewhat concerned about reach weapons as that gives the Magus an easy out for AOOs from spell casting but with enlarge person at level 1 and good use of the 5’ step rules they can already avoid these issues much of the time.
I've also got treatments for ranged spell strike and spell combat and lots of other goodies in there. One of the builds included is a Bladebound Elf Magus using a Curve Blade.
Does your group allow 3rd party products? If so you want to check out Ultimate Options: New Magus Arcana From super genius games. Their enrune Great Weapon and Greater Enrune Great Weapon Arcana allow a way around the one hand free restriction for 2handed fighting by spending Arcane Pool Points.Quick question:
Can an elven Magus wield a Curveblade (two-handed) and still benefit from Spell Combat and Spell Strike?
If not, is there a feat or something else that will allow him to do so?
I second Kolokotroni's recommendation for Ultimate Options: New Magus Arcana From super genius games.
It is an excellent PDF and well worth the 1.50$ price tag as it is on sale right now it is usually 3$.
Only thing to watch out for are the enrune shield and warding arcana. everything else is elegantly designed and solid IMO, not to say those are not they simply seem a might powerful to me.
To reiterate the PDF is very worth it if your GM will allow it and you are playing a Magus.
Super genius games makes good solid product.
If you really want to make a curve blade wielding magus, and 3rd party products isn't an option, then you could take a two level dip into alchemist and get the vestical limb discovery.
It might not be worth spending the two levels, but the mutagen could also be useful.
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What kind of action is it to remove your hand from a two-handed weapon or re-grab it with both hands?
Both are free actions. For example, a wizard wielding a quarterstaff can let go of the weapon with one hand as a free action, cast a spell as a standard action, and grasp the weapon again with that hand as a free action; this means the wizard is still able to make attacks of opportunity with the weapon (which requires using two hands).
As with any free action, the GM may decide a reasonable limit to how many times per round you can release and re-grasp the weapon (one release and re-grasp per round is fair).
Understanding this is an old thread, but an Elf Titan Mauler 2/Magus X could wield the Curve Blade in one hand and still finesse it.
You Can be a fine magus with just using a curved blade in two hands and not using spell combat. If you use frostbite as your primary damage booster it Will som last several rounds anyway.
It May not be the BEST but you Can do fine.
What kind of action is it to remove your hand from a two-handed weapon or re-grab it with both hands?
Both are free actions. For example, a wizard wielding a quarterstaff can let go of the weapon with one hand as a free action, cast a spell as a standard action, and grasp the weapon again with that hand as a free action; this means the wizard is still able to make attacks of opportunity with the weapon (which requires using two hands).
As with any free action, the GM may decide a reasonable limit to how many times per round you can release and re-grasp the weapon (one release and re-grasp per round is fair).
This isn't relevant. Spell combat requires your hand be free for the entire duration you are using the 'spell combat' full round action. That means during all attacks and the casting of the spell both.
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First, as has been pointed out, 3 year old thread. (Alot of threadomancy here lately, I wonder why.)
Second, it doesn't matter if you can wield a 2 handed weapon in 1 hand, unless you can change the designation of it to a one handed weapon (or light weapon) because spell combat only works "while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand."
Titan Mauler can use a two-handed weapon as a one-handed weapon.