Shuriken and Ki Charge


Ninja Discussion: Round 1


Ok, I know a simple solution but at the same time I'd like others opinions. In a way I see a problem with Ki Charge.

Shuriken - range 10ft

Ki Charge - Blast Radius 10ft

Problem...

Without consulting the PG, I figured the feat Far Shot would remedy this but upon closer inspection I was slightly disappointed when I found PF's version of Far Shot no longer enhances distance. I do understand the trade off of no range increase for lower range increment penalties.

Far Shot (Combat)
You are more accurate at longer ranges.
Prerequisites: Point-Blank Shot.
Benefit: You only suffer a –1 penalty per full range
increment between you and your target when using a
ranged weapon.
Normal: You suffer a –2 penalty per full range increment
between you and your target.

Perhaps its just my timmy side showing alittle


Throw it farther? AC 5 isn't hard to hit even with a -10.

Hell extra range is a pretty damn good use for this ability.


Shadow_of_death wrote:

Throw it farther? AC 5 isn't hard to hit even with a -10.

Hell extra range is a pretty damn good use for this ability.

This is quite sure, but you can use the "distance" weapon enchantment too, you only need a +2 bonus on the weapon in total which isnt that much. Don´t forget the "subtle wrist, strong arm trait" too The thing is if this is a good option at all. On lower levels it seems good to deal 1d6 to several oponents, but 5d6 are not much actually. It is questionable if you can deal sneak attack damag with this attack, if yes its awesome, if not it sucks in my opinion. On level 10 you deal 5d6 s.a.d. with every hit and with flurry of stars you can have 4 attacks ( at -2 though), dealing possible 20d6 damage to one oponent, or hitting 4 and dealing them additional 5 bleed if you took that feat.


Hayato Ken wrote:
Shadow_of_death wrote:

Throw it farther? AC 5 isn't hard to hit even with a -10.

Hell extra range is a pretty damn good use for this ability.

This is quite sure, but you can use the "distance" weapon enchantment too, you only need a +2 bonus on the weapon in total which isnt that much. Don´t forget the "subtle wrist, strong arm trait" too The thing is if this is a good option at all. On lower levels it seems good to deal 1d6 to several oponents, but 5d6 are not much actually. It is questionable if you can deal sneak attack damag with this attack, if yes its awesome, if not it sucks in my opinion. On level 10 you deal 5d6 s.a.d. with every hit and with flurry of stars you can have 4 attacks ( at -2 though), dealing possible 20d6 damage to one oponent, or hitting 4 and dealing them additional 5 bleed if you took that feat.

I agree "subtle wrist, strong arm trait" would be beneficial but unfortunately that but is not on the list of allowed material, all we get is Players guide, Advanced Players Guide and both bestiary. As for Ki Charge and Flurry of Stars the way I understood it due tot he nature of those abilities your only able to do one at a time


Yes you can do only one, my meaning is that Flurry of stars deals more damage probably, because its 3*5d6 or more without save for one oponent while Ki Charge hits more oponents, but deals only max 5d6 with half on reflex save.


Damage is better when you compare the range at which this is effective to how often you'll hit with normal attacks at those ranges.


Shadow_of_death wrote:
Damage is better when you compare the range at which this is effective to how often you'll hit with normal attacks at those ranges.

ehm, could you specify your point a little bit please? Damage from what?

And i still have the question if ki charge deals sneak attack to all oponents it hits. What do you think on this? As i understand it doesn´t because its precision, right?


Hayato Ken wrote:
Shadow_of_death wrote:
Damage is better when you compare the range at which this is effective to how often you'll hit with normal attacks at those ranges.

ehm, could you specify your point a little bit please? Damage from what?

And i still have the question if ki charge deals sneak attack to all opponents it hits. What do you think on this? As i understand it doesn't because its precision, right?

Damage from hitting creatures with this at a range of say 50ft is a higher dpr then a full shuriken attack would be at that range, because you take a -10 penalty, with the ki charge -10 doesn't matter because you don't need to hit any one, just the ac 5 of a location.

only if the shuriken itself hits someone do you get sneak attack damage.

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