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Charlie Bell wrote:
Lol- After I subscribed to the GameMastery maps, I put all the ones prior to my subscription on the wish list so I'd remember what to buy later. Sounds like you're back--welcome back!
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Have you gotten any of those yet? Would any be of more help than the others?
Not back yet, but I am past the halfway point. :) woohoo!!
Afghanistan is better and worse than it was last time.
in reference to op:
As for the fighters rock, pathfinder has enabled them to do alright out of combat. what with traits granting class skills, bonus human skill point, favored class bonus point, etc. And if you go for the combat expertise chain, you will have more.
Plus the fighter is one of the best classes to plug and play a level dip or two.

Alex Smith 908 |

To be perfectly honest though against the sort of enemies a player is likely to be fighting a paladin will outdamage a fighter. You only use your smite on creatures that will take several turns to take down anyways and most semi-optimized paladin builds are able to apply the smite several times per round due to twf (shieldbashing or standard), and you usually have more than enough smites to last the entire day.
Also just of note someone said that in 3.5 fighters were a dip for monks? That is absurd fighters were straight up better in 3.5 than monks and if you're optimizing to the point of dipping at all you're either not taking monk at all or taking monk as part of a specific build challenge or wierd characters concept.

Ardenup |
On a full attack, yes.
But at the start of combat you aren't always right next to an enemy that wants to trade blows.
In your example of a Paladin pretty much every one of his feats is gonna go towards TWF.
The 2 weapon warrior on the other hand can:
TWF+REND. whenever he moves-pally can't
TWF+REND on an AOO. Pally can't
Has enough feats for the whole Stepup chain (Creating more AOO and letting you full attack more.
Over the course of an encounter? Fighter wins!

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I'd hope so! They are FIGHTERS! They FIGHT! That's all they have going for them so they had better be good at it.
+1.
Every other class has tricks and defenses and skill points and actually good skill lists and so on. Fighters get "wear armor better", "use weapon better", and "suck slightly less against fear", plus a pile of Combat Feats.
Pound for pound, point for point, level for level, no other class in the game can match them. And that's exactly the way it should be, because all Fighters do is FIGHT.

Ellington |

Yeah, fighters are pretty powerful.
I'm not a huge fan, though. I'd trade some of that power in for some actual class features and neat combat tricks any day, instead of being mostly limited to tripping people or exchanging full attacks all day long.
Thankfully, the Advanced Player's Guide fixed this somewhat, and I'm hoping to see some neat alternative systems in Ultimate Combat.

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Have you gotten any of those yet? Would any be of more help than the others?
Not back yet, but I am past the halfway point. :) woohoo!!
Afghanistan is better and worse than it was last time.
Map Pack Extradimensional Spaces or Flip Mat Arena would be handy. I'm GMing STAP for my NC group and either of those could be useful.
Glad to hear you're safe. I'm headed over myself before long. I'm hoping to finish STAP before I leave. My buddy's running CoCT while I'm gone. I'll probably get back just in time for the end of the campaign, which means I'll be rolling in with a mid-high level character. You might be amused to learn that a certain battle oracle of Gorum might be making an appearance. DRAW STEEL! :)

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Map Pack Extradimensional Spaces or Flip Mat Arena would be handy. I'm GMing STAP for my NC group and either of those could be useful.Glad to hear you're safe. I'm headed over myself before long. I'm hoping to finish STAP before I leave. My buddy's running CoCT while I'm gone. I'll probably get back just in time for the end of the campaign, which means I'll be rolling in with a mid-high level character. You might be amused to learn that a certain battle oracle of Gorum might be making an appearance. DRAW STEEL! :)
Already sending you out so soon, huh? Is it going to be six months due to your new area or are you still stuck with a year long journey of happiness and self discovery? :)
I am glad to see your move and branch change is working well for you.Are you able to see Holly more?
If your not comfortable attaching an address to the wishlist just send me an email with an address you would like it sent to.
I think that battle oracle of Gorum would be awesome. Hey, he has already given this player an in game/character religious experience. Now he can share Gorum with all of Varisia. Those that are worthy of it, of course. :)

STR Ranger |

Thread necro.
Too many 'Fighters Suck' threads at the moment.
Tell us why your fighter is awesome.
Me? I like the fact that all the other classes blow rounds and resources just to do what a fighter does out of the can.
Check out the Brawler build in my fighter guide.
Close weapon training and Gtr Weapon spec has him TWF nuking bad dudes and
His party LOVES his Menacing Stance and Cornugon Smashing with a cruel weapon. Debuffs the crap out of bad dudes while he kills them.
Suck it.