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since the custom summon lists are PFS legal, it would be nice to have an official ruling on what constitutes a priest of a particular deity, aside from the old (unofficial) ruling by mark, and the advice of james jacobs (which i love, but isn't pfs legal either)
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If the text of the article only referred to the church of Asmodeus than it's a safe bet that it only applied to clerics. Non-clerical worshipers of Asmodeous like Oracles tend to be outside of church hierarchies.
As a veteran of several organized play campaigns, I never buy any supplements (unless I want them for home play, etc.) until they're legal. The supplement that I bought is completely legal; was (and still is) listed in the additional resources page with the expanded summons list available and legal for pathfinder society play. I bought it BECAUSE it was listed as a legal resource for PFS. There's also nothing in that additional resources page which indicates that only clerics have access to the expanded summons list.
In actuality, the original text of the article states that the priesthood/church of Asmodeus inludes wizards, sorcerers, clerics, etc. So no offense but it is incorrect to say they lie outside the normal church hierarchy. That is not a reason to refuse access to the summoning lists.
And again James Jacobs has said not just divine casters as has been misstated a few times, but all potential priests (wizards, sorcerers, pig farmers, etc.).
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Yeah sorry I know, should have cut that part. And I know James jacobs isn't in charge of PFS, just saying that it is a legitimate question that only the people in charge of PFS can really answer since as written it is an all-encompassing phrase.they have to decide how it fits into PFS.
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I'll talk with Hyrum about this tomorrow and we'll see if we can't codify some definition for using these within PFS play. Until then, "priest" is cleric only. Wizards and sorcerers or whatever can still cast spells on their spell list that say druid (Gozreh) for example, but until we take a look at them, only a cleric of a specific deity can use alternate summon lists granted by their god in PFSOP.
Please Mark/ now mike. It has been 8 months since you posted this. Can we have a now thought out answer?
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Sure, but being a priest is built into the Cleric class.
"Cleric
In faith and the miracles of the divine, many find a greater purpose. Called to serve powers beyond most mortal understanding, all priests preach wonders and provide for the spiritual needs of their people. Clerics are more than mere priests, though; these emissaries of the divine work the will of their deities through strength of arms and the magic of their gods. Devoted to the tenets of the religions and philosophies that inspire them, these ecclesiastics quest to spread the knowledge and influence of their faith. Yet while they might share similar abilities, clerics prove as different from one another as the divinities they serve, with some offering healing and redemption, others judging law and truth, and still others spreading conflict and corruption. The ways of the cleric are varied, yet all who tread these paths walk with the mightiest of allies and bear the arms of the gods themselves."
So, what I was saying was that I think it is better to leave the deity specific extra "priest" spells as Cleric (and sometimes Druid, Paladin, but not Oracle) only, to give them a little diversity based on the their deity, but at the same time allow all classes to play there "mere priest" role if they want, through things like Profession: Priest.
In most cases, a Wizard can already cast those extra spells normally anyway, and because they are not limited by alignment the same way, they already have a larger list of Summon Monster options. I don't know, it seems like to open it up to anyone that says they are a priest cheapens it, while keeping it special makes Clerics of particular deities a little bit different than another.
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As they are in the deity articles. No one is really arguing that. And if I recall correctly, it generally says priests, but then goes on to say which class gets what extra spell, and it's generally Divine Casters with the occasional Bard thrown in.
If you are responding to my question about "defining the role of priest", that was also in response to "most clerics don't act like priests", which was also taken under the premise that Clerics = priest (class), others can also be priests (role).
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Let me ask it a different way. What combination of these do you define priest as:
A.) an individual that conducts religious services, sacraments, and similar duties for the faithful on a reoccurring basis and holidays
B.) an individual dedicated to the worship of a single patron deity
C.) an officially sanctioned member of an established faith, (given a rank and certain responsibilities and perks)
D.) something that just anyone can be by simply claiming to be
E.) an individual that lives by some extra religiously induced code, such as an ascetic, monk, or wandering pilgrim above and beyond the generic faithful.
F.) an extremely generic sort of catch-all term for an sort of religious leader/individual from shaman to clergy to sage
G.) something else
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Well, for a home game I would say definitely A, C, F plus B, E and G with rather zealous role play of a single God. As to PFS, I would be fine with the Gods and Magic break down. And, no, I wouldn't allow 'faith-hopping' to take advantage of certain creatures at certain levels. That's why GM's discretion and a little common sense should apply.
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Has there been an answer as to what qualifies as a "priest" for PFS? There seem to be a number of resources out there referring to this dilema but no official answer yet. Is it clerics, oracles, divine casters, profession priest, anyone....?
There has been no update to the official answer given in this thread by Mark Moreland. For PFS currently, it is cleric only.
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Sure, but being a priest is built into the Cleric class.
"Cleric
In faith and the miracles of the divine, many find a greater purpose. Called to serve powers beyond most mortal understanding, all priests preach wonders and provide for the spiritual needs of their people. Clerics are more than mere priests, though; these emissaries of the divine work the will of their deities through strength of arms and the magic of their gods. Devoted to the tenets of the religions and philosophies that inspire them, these ecclesiastics quest to spread the knowledge and influence of their faith. Yet while they might share similar abilities, clerics prove as different from one another as the divinities they serve, with some offering healing and redemption, others judging law and truth, and still others spreading conflict and corruption. The ways of the cleric are varied, yet all who tread these paths walk with the mightiest of allies and bear the arms of the gods themselves."
So, what I was saying was that I think it is better to leave the deity specific extra "priest" spells as Cleric (and sometimes Druid, Paladin, but not Oracle) only, to give them a little diversity based on the their deity, but at the same time allow all classes to play there "mere priest" role if they want, through things like Profession: Priest.
In most cases, a Wizard can already cast those extra spells normally anyway, and because they are not limited by alignment the same way, they already have a larger list of Summon Monster options. I don't know, it seems like to open it up to anyone that says they are a priest cheapens it, while keeping it special makes Clerics of particular deities a little bit different than another.
Actually I have noticed one or two players who don't worship Asmodeus, using Infernal Healing (most likely cause they don't realise it's religion restricted) but due to these spells requiring you to be of this religion I'd imagine this should be the same for expanded summoning list too.
Again, we'll need an official word and I'd like to message them to see if I get a response...probably won't work, but we'll see.
