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I've been in favor of an "amicable divorce" as a solution to the increasingly-hostile disagreements between states in the US for some time.
Give a few years (and maybe some financial aid) for families to relocate to the states that jive with their personal positions, then go our separate ways.
But that's admittedly unrealistic for a whole host of reasons and especially ignores the fact that it's a certain particular set of states that provide all the funds and a certain other particular set of states that receive all of it.
One of my fun thought/discussion topics is, "What would the world be like now if Lincoln had allowed the Confederacy to secede peacefully?"
There's a whole realm of historical fiction that could be written there. I see quite a few thought articles on it, but no books. Maybe an untapped inspiration for someone?
captain yesterday |
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Orthos wrote:I've been in favor of an "amicable divorce" as a solution to the increasingly-hostile disagreements between states in the US for some time.
Give a few years (and maybe some financial aid) for families to relocate to the states that jive with their personal positions, then go our separate ways.
But that's admittedly unrealistic for a whole host of reasons and especially ignores the fact that it's a certain particular set of states that provide all the funds and a certain other particular set of states that receive all of it.
One of my fun thought/discussion topics is, "What would the world be like now if Lincoln had allowed the Confederacy to secede peacefully?"
There's a whole realm of historical fiction that could be written there. I see quite a few thought articles on it, but no books. Maybe an untapped inspiration for someone?
I recommend Cyberpunk Red, if only for the setting (which is also the setting for Cyberpunk 2077).
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NobodysHome wrote:I recommend Cyberpunk Red, if only for the setting (which is also the setting for Cyberpunk 2077).Orthos wrote:I've been in favor of an "amicable divorce" as a solution to the increasingly-hostile disagreements between states in the US for some time.
Give a few years (and maybe some financial aid) for families to relocate to the states that jive with their personal positions, then go our separate ways.
But that's admittedly unrealistic for a whole host of reasons and especially ignores the fact that it's a certain particular set of states that provide all the funds and a certain other particular set of states that receive all of it.
One of my fun thought/discussion topics is, "What would the world be like now if Lincoln had allowed the Confederacy to secede peacefully?"
There's a whole realm of historical fiction that could be written there. I see quite a few thought articles on it, but no books. Maybe an untapped inspiration for someone?
Thanks!
Yeah, most of the thought articles all follow the bizarre thinking that, due to worldwide anti-slavery sentiment, the Confederacy would have suffered an economic collapse before the turn of the century. Which ignores the entirety of human history and worldwide trade policies of, "As long as we're not doing it, what the heck do we care about how they treat the people in their country?"
(I looked it up and there were -0- cotton embargoes prior to the Civil War, which says about all you need to know on the topic.)
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Actually, it would have. That was about the time Britain was Britaining over in India, so they could get cotton more cheaply. Lock the British Empire into only buying Indian cotton, and the South loses a huge cash influx. No morals involved, just pure economics. No embargo, just shopping "local." So the thinking isn't that bizarre; you're just a good person assuming that the people involved were also thinking altruistically.
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Actually, it would have. That was about the time Britain was Britaining over in India, so they could get cotton more cheaply. Lock the British Empire into only buying Indian cotton, and the South loses a huge cash influx. No morals involved, just pure economics. No embargo, just shopping "local." So the thinking isn't that bizarre; you're just a good person assuming that the people involved were also thinking altruistically.
There was a good deal of support for the Confederacy amongst the British ruling class *cough*munich*cough*, at least partially due to romantic idealisation of what they thought was a noble pre-industrial aristocratic society, partially because they thought a weaker US would be better for the Empire, and I suspect also that they thought the Confederacy might end up being an economic colony of the UK, effectively, but there was also a very powerful current of anti-slavery sentiment which drove a lot of foreign policy at the time (even if it was just a thin cover for less altruistic purposes), and it shouldn't be discounted. The factors Scint mentioned were also significant
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captain yesterday wrote:NobodysHome wrote:I recommend Cyberpunk Red, if only for the setting (which is also the setting for Cyberpunk 2077).Orthos wrote:I've been in favor of an "amicable divorce" as a solution to the increasingly-hostile disagreements between states in the US for some time.
Give a few years (and maybe some financial aid) for families to relocate to the states that jive with their personal positions, then go our separate ways.
But that's admittedly unrealistic for a whole host of reasons and especially ignores the fact that it's a certain particular set of states that provide all the funds and a certain other particular set of states that receive all of it.
One of my fun thought/discussion topics is, "What would the world be like now if Lincoln had allowed the Confederacy to secede peacefully?"
There's a whole realm of historical fiction that could be written there. I see quite a few thought articles on it, but no books. Maybe an untapped inspiration for someone?
Thanks!
Yeah, most of the thought articles all follow the bizarre thinking that, due to worldwide anti-slavery sentiment, the Confederacy would have suffered an economic collapse before the turn of the century. Which ignores the entirety of human history and worldwide trade policies of, "As long as we're not doing it, what the heck do we care about how they treat the people in their country?"
(I looked it up and there were -0- cotton embargoes prior to the Civil War, which says about all you need to know on the topic.)
Well to be clear I didn't mean to infer anything regarding the civil war or anything I was just recommending a post apocalyptic "future" setting where states start to secede from the US.
Freehold DM |
I've been in favor of an "amicable divorce" as a solution to the increasingly-hostile disagreements between states in the US for some time.
Give a few years (and maybe some financial aid) for families to relocate to the states that jive with their personal positions, then go our separate ways.
But that's admittedly unrealistic for a whole host of reasons and especially ignores the fact that it's a certain particular set of states that provide all the funds and a certain other particular set of states that receive all of it.
Oh hell no. We fought a war about this already once, we don't need to again.