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Yay for Friday!

I have a new video game to play, It on Blu-ray and Joker on DVD, the world is my clam!

Edit: How apropos!


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captain yesterday wrote:

Yay for Friday!

I have a new video game to play, It on Blu-ray and Joker on DVD, the world is my clam!

Edit: How apropos!

If the world is your clam, then slice it, bread it, fry it, and lets have a meal!


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I'm sure this is political, but I'm wearing my flaming-bike-proof suit today so I'll go ahead and say it: My school district's response to the coronavirus outbreak is so indicative of why we need federal guidelines that it's pathetic. You can't control an outbreak when every school district is making its own random decisions.

School district to the north of us: Already started planning for a long-term shutdown, gave teachers two weeks to prepare, hope to shut down next week.
School district to the south of us: Waited until someone associated with the school district came down with the virus, is now scrambling to force teachers to come up with school-from-home plans over the weekend.
Our school district: We're not going to shut down until a student at one of our schools actually tests positive, at which point we'll only shut down that school. And sports must go on!

As GothBard pointed out, waiting until you actually have a confirmed case in your school before doing anything about it is pretty much the definition of shutting the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.

As always, "Simple precautions" vs. "Blatant stupidity", and stupidity is winning. As usual.


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Mm. Disheartening.


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Neighs heroically from atop the hill as he makes his heroic escape.


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They didn't even cancel the basketball tournaments until the venue told them they couldn't have them there.


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What isn't political anymore? Basic functions of daily life are becoming impossible to discuss without running up against something that turns it into a commentary about current events. For Pete's sake, we can't even talk about going to the grocery store without noting that the panic hoarders have wiped out all the hand sanitizer and toilet paper because of the lack of leadership we're facing on how to prepare.


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Buttweiner Parent Update:

Shiro was playing Devil's Advocate and giving me all the reasons it was appropriate for the parent to report the choir director for letting the kids out early. Then came this wonderful exchange (paraphrased):

Choir Director: (Lets kids out early)
Angry Parent: How DARE you let the kids out early! I've reported you to the principal! What unprofessional behavior!
CD: (In text to kids) I just got an email from an angry parent, so I can't let you out early on Friday.
AP: I saw your text to students and I am deeply offended. You'd better apologize to me, or else!

Yeah, the minute someone uses "or else" in a conversation with me, I call their bluff and nuke them into oblivion.

I told Shiro, "Sorry. She used 'or else' in only her second email to the school. She's a loony."

Shiro could not disagree.


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Scintillae wrote:
What isn't political anymore? Basic functions of daily life are becoming impossible to discuss without running up against something that turns it into a commentary about current events. For Pete's sake, we can't even talk about going to the grocery store without noting that the panic hoarders have wiped out all the hand sanitizer and toilet paper because of the lack of leadership we're facing on how to prepare.

We were at Office Max last night and they had a big sign, "Sorry, we're out of hand sanitizer!"

And I was thinking, "Who goes to Office Max to buy hand sanitizer?"

And I'll admit, I can't even rationally comprehend the hoarding of hand sanitizer and toilet paper. The whole family takes 6 months to go through one bottle of sanitizer. Using it multiple times a day and giving one to each family member, 4 bottles would get us through the entire crisis.
And toilet paper? Seriously?

(When Freehold mentioned that fear made people rationalize completely irrational behavior, I was going to write a long response but I chose not to because it would have been an interesting, yet ultimately pointless debate. But the inability to look past your fear and ask, "Is this a reasonable thing to do?" is something that's always baffled me.

Maybe I'm different. I've been held at gunpoint. I've had a knife at my back. I've been sliding down an icy slope with a 55-pound pack on my back headed to certain death in a semi-frozen lake. And yet I've never lost my ability to ask myself, "Is the next action I'm going to take rational?"
I don't think I'm different. I just think I've trained myself to think things through. And I wish more people would do the same.)


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I think a large part of it is being spurred by reporting because that's how economics do.

"People are buying hand sanitizer and toilet paper!"
"Oh, crap. I need toilet paper anyway, and if I don't get some now, the stores will be out when I need it!"
stores run out

As to the rationality thing, I think you are different. I wouldn't even know how to begin rationalizing in the moment, especially if my alligator brain knew there was a legitimate chance of death. I think I'm a decently logical person, but that's for when I have the luxury of time.


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We use soap and water.

The only time or place hand sanitizer is used is at work and school.


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The only TP insight I have is that if you go into quarantine and can't leave your house for two weeks (or longer) - do you have enough TP to last you the expected time?

If not, you buy more. Or have a bidet. Or buy baby wipes. Or HRC's book which costs .98$ at Wal-Mart.

It also falls under the 'it will not go bad, so having a bit extra won't hurt' category of shopping.

Pre-marriage, I almost always had two big costco size packs in the closet. Now wife does shopping and we are down to one 4pack per bathroom, which has caused her to ask 'should i go back to your old stockpile levels?'

But I am a boy scout and a bit of a prepper (not huge, but generator, kerosene heaters, hand pump water filters (for backpacking originally but maintained for stupid world), mountain house, firearms and ammunition in modest quantities for NC).


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Scintillae wrote:

I think a large part of it is being spurred by reporting because that's how economics do.

"People are buying hand sanitizer and toilet paper!"
"Oh, crap. I need toilet paper anyway, and if I don't get some now, the stores will be out when I need it!"
stores run out

As to the rationality thing, I think you are different. I wouldn't even know how to begin rationalizing in the moment, especially if my alligator brain knew there was a legitimate chance of death. I think I'm a decently logical person, but that's for when I have the luxury of time.

I'll admit, I may get yelled at by Freehold.

We were on a ski trip about 5 miles into the backcountry when my brother's girlfriend crashed and tore her knee up. Everyone else just stood there with their mouths open staring at her stupidly. I started having to order all of them around. "You! Go up the mountain and try to get a cell signal to call for help! You two! Hike out and go to the road to get help! You! Help me dig a trench for her! You! Lie on top of her to keep her from going into shock!"

I was baffled that no one else seemed to be able to act without me telling them what to do.

And the rescue guys who finally arrived by helicopter said, "This is the warmest person we've ever rescued. How the **** did you do it?"

So yeah, maybe I'm just wired differently. But it DOES make me get very confused when people do stupid non-ideal things just because they're scared.


Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
Washing machine is replaced. Expensive.
I am sorry, woran

Yeah, it sucks. Heartfelt empathy.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
What isn't political anymore? Basic functions of daily life are becoming impossible to discuss without running up against something that turns it into a commentary about current events. For Pete's sake, we can't even talk about going to the grocery store without noting that the panic hoarders have wiped out all the hand sanitizer and toilet paper because of the lack of leadership we're facing on how to prepare.

We were at Office Max last night and they had a big sign, "Sorry, we're out of hand sanitizer!"

And I was thinking, "Who goes to Office Max to buy hand sanitizer?"

office managers.

We are running kinda low here ourselves.


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I also am calm in the face of catastrophe.


lisamarlene wrote:
Sharoth wrote:

Cough - Check

Runny nose - Check
Blows nose all the time - Check
Puffy eyes - Check
Headache - Check
Tired all the time - Check
Allergies - Check!!!

~looks around~ What? I am not contagious! I blame the South and my pets!

Yes, but isn't it fun to walk in to public places with your head all stuffy, clutching a tissue, and have people stare at you in alarm?

No. No it isn't. (Takes an extra Allegra.)
The South bites.

I've found that everywhere I go I can find at least something to be allergic to! And the stares people give are... well frustrating, but there's only so much you can go around saying, "Sorry, allergies!" before just going about your day.


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Scintillae wrote:

I think a large part of it is being spurred by reporting because that's how economics do.

"People are buying hand sanitizer and toilet paper!"
"Oh, crap. I need toilet paper anyway, and if I don't get some now, the stores will be out when I need it!"
stores run out

As to the rationality thing, I think you are different. I wouldn't even know how to begin rationalizing in the moment, especially if my alligator brain knew there was a legitimate chance of death. I think I'm a decently logical person, but that's for when I have the luxury of time.

Multiply this by the population of the United States.

Everybody thinks they are rational- and may very well be- until something happens, and time is no longer on their side. Vany made some very intriguing posts on that idea a while back.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

I think a large part of it is being spurred by reporting because that's how economics do.

"People are buying hand sanitizer and toilet paper!"
"Oh, crap. I need toilet paper anyway, and if I don't get some now, the stores will be out when I need it!"
stores run out

As to the rationality thing, I think you are different. I wouldn't even know how to begin rationalizing in the moment, especially if my alligator brain knew there was a legitimate chance of death. I think I'm a decently logical person, but that's for when I have the luxury of time.

I'll admit, I may get yelled at by Freehold.

We were on a ski trip about 5 miles into the backcountry when my brother's girlfriend crashed and tore her knee up. Everyone else just stood there with their mouths open staring at her stupidly. I started having to order all of them around. "You! Go up the mountain and try to get a cell signal to call for help! You two! Hike out and go to the road to get help! You! Help me dig a trench for her! You! Lie on top of her to keep her from going into shock!"

I was baffled that no one else seemed to be able to act without me telling them what to do.

And the rescue guys who finally arrived by helicopter said, "This is the warmest person we've ever rescued. How the **** did you do it?"

So yeah, maybe I'm just wired differently. But it DOES make me get very confused when people do stupid non-ideal things just because they're scared.

This sounds less like fear, and more like surprise. Nothing wrong with what you did at all- you possibly saved a life. But things may have gone differently if everybody started shouting orders, or worse, started shouting conflicting orders.


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
What isn't political anymore? Basic functions of daily life are becoming impossible to discuss without running up against something that turns it into a commentary about current events. For Pete's sake, we can't even talk about going to the grocery store without noting that the panic hoarders have wiped out all the hand sanitizer and toilet paper because of the lack of leadership we're facing on how to prepare.

We were at Office Max last night and they had a big sign, "Sorry, we're out of hand sanitizer!"

And I was thinking, "Who goes to Office Max to buy hand sanitizer?"

office managers.

We are running kinda low here ourselves.

After our office shut, someone came in (7pm ish) and took all our our liquid soap from the restrooms. [So now each office has a bar hidden away]


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Nylarthotep wrote:

The only TP insight I have is that if you go into quarantine and can't leave your house for two weeks (or longer) - do you have enough TP to last you the expected time?

If not, you buy more. Or have a bidet. Or buy baby wipes. Or HRC's book which costs .98$ at Wal-Mart.

It also falls under the 'it will not go bad, so having a bit extra won't hurt' category of shopping.

Pre-marriage, I almost always had two big costco size packs in the closet. Now wife does shopping and we are down to one 4pack per bathroom, which has caused her to ask 'should i go back to your old stockpile levels?'

But I am a boy scout and a bit of a prepper (not huge, but generator, kerosene heaters, hand pump water filters (for backpacking originally but maintained for stupid world), mountain house, firearms and ammunition in modest quantities for NC).

Yeah, I hate going to Costco, but their prices are quite literally less than half as much as other places for things like toilet paper, so I buy 60 rolls at a time and then once I get down to 30 I restock.

Toilet paper will not be an issue.


Nylarthotep wrote:

The only TP insight I have is that if you go into quarantine and can't leave your house for two weeks (or longer) - do you have enough TP to last you the expected time?

If not, you buy more. Or have a bidet. Or buy baby wipes. Or HRC's book which costs .98$ at Wal-Mart.

It also falls under the 'it will not go bad, so having a bit extra won't hurt' category of shopping.

Pre-marriage, I almost always had two big costco size packs in the closet. Now wife does shopping and we are down to one 4pack per bathroom, which has caused her to ask 'should i go back to your old stockpile levels?'

But I am a boy scout and a bit of a prepper (not huge, but generator, kerosene heaters, hand pump water filters (for backpacking originally but maintained for stupid world), mountain house, firearms and ammunition in modest quantities for NC).

This stuff, yeah.

Though I've gone through the whole thought process myself, I avoided going stock-heavy myself because of the ludicrous reports in Australia, my own previous annoyance with "water bottle rushes" here during hurricane seasons ("Why don't you always just keep a healthy stock; seriously, people, you can't need more than three packs!"), and, ultimately, the recognition that it's not going to matter - I'm going to need to exit the house and go shopping during the bad season at some point anyway, and my luck being what it is, while minimizing exposure is a good thing, it's not really going to matter. I don't really care about having to make three shopping trips v. five in the same time period.

Also, for hurricanes, at least, though potentially destructive, there has never been a point in my life where I've felt so threatened by a storm that I panic. That might be dumb, but I always figured I could either weather it is- is that even a pun? I don- I... don't know or, worst case, could pack up my family and become refugees to Georgia or somewhere else where family lives. It would suck to lose all our stuff, but being alive is the most important thing; traffic would be bad, but Florida's not that wide and has tons of roads, and you can just, you know, travel.
Also, we minimize our cold/frozen purchases during this time just in case of power loss.

Now the virus isn't like a storm in that regard - there's no where in particular to "go" if it hits. So maybe it is a little better to lean toward prepping.

But at the same time, I've got to weigh that against the very real fact that, storm or no storm virus or no virus, people need toilet paper and water bottles with moderate regularity, and me purchasing all of them isn't doing anyone any good ('cause I'll run out and have to buy more, or I never needed that much extra to begin with). So maybe grab a pack or two more than normal, but maybe not even. After all, I'm going to have to go back there anyway: there's always something. Might as well leave things to those that need them, and hope others have the same courtesy.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

I think a large part of it is being spurred by reporting because that's how economics do.

"People are buying hand sanitizer and toilet paper!"
"Oh, crap. I need toilet paper anyway, and if I don't get some now, the stores will be out when I need it!"
stores run out

As to the rationality thing, I think you are different. I wouldn't even know how to begin rationalizing in the moment, especially if my alligator brain knew there was a legitimate chance of death. I think I'm a decently logical person, but that's for when I have the luxury of time.

Multiply this by the population of the United States.

Everybody thinks they are rational- and may very well be- until something happens, and time is no longer on their side. Vany made some very intriguing posts on that idea a while back.

Well, unlike other people, I am super rational and always correct! For sure!

... ahem.


DSXMachina wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
What isn't political anymore? Basic functions of daily life are becoming impossible to discuss without running up against something that turns it into a commentary about current events. For Pete's sake, we can't even talk about going to the grocery store without noting that the panic hoarders have wiped out all the hand sanitizer and toilet paper because of the lack of leadership we're facing on how to prepare.

We were at Office Max last night and they had a big sign, "Sorry, we're out of hand sanitizer!"

And I was thinking, "Who goes to Office Max to buy hand sanitizer?"

office managers.

We are running kinda low here ourselves.

After our office shut, someone came in (7pm ish) and took all our our liquid soap from the restrooms. [So now each office has a bar hidden away]

WUT

>:(


It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia did an amazing episode about quarantining themselves and then they all get sick from alcohol withdrawal.

Meanwhile, Frank shaves off all his hair and covers himself in hand sanitizer.

Scarab Sages

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Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
Washing machine is replaced. Expensive.
I am sorry, woran

The old one had a good run. We had it 9 years, and it was second hand.

Its just that it was rather inconvenient that it broke down now just as we're almost done remoddeling the kitchen.


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Aaand it's official: The school district to our north is closing through April 6. The school district to our south already closed its high school, and is closing through April 6. San Francisco closed. Many others have closed.

What do you call it when you're one of the few school districts that doesn't close, and one of your kids gets sick and brings the disease home to Grandma?

I call it a major lawsuit, personally.


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Hello, everyone!


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Limeylongears wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:
In the all too likely event that anybody (esepcially Drejk) has a spare £3,500 burning a hole in their pocket and also wants to cut a German tank in half, there is a wz. 34 sabre on sale here
I have seen slightly cheaper (around 10%) locally.
TO POLAND!!

Quarantine. Sorry.

Yesterday, the first victim of COVID died, out of confirmed 68 infected, and a few hundreds people suspected of infection.


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NobodysHome wrote:

I'm sure this is political, but I'm wearing my flaming-bike-proof suit today so I'll go ahead and say it: My school district's response to the coronavirus outbreak is so indicative of why we need federal guidelines that it's pathetic. You can't control an outbreak when every school district is making its own random decisions.

School district to the north of us: Already started planning for a long-term shutdown, gave teachers two weeks to prepare, hope to shut down next week.
School district to the south of us: Waited until someone associated with the school district came down with the virus, is now scrambling to force teachers to come up with school-from-home plans over the weekend.
Our school district: We're not going to shut down until a student at one of our schools actually tests positive, at which point we'll only shut down that school. And sports must go on!

As GothBard pointed out, waiting until you actually have a confirmed case in your school before doing anything about it is pretty much the definition of shutting the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.

As always, "Simple precautions" vs. "Blatant stupidity", and stupidity is winning. As usual.

Here, schools and cultural events were canceled on Wednesday (even before the first death).

We have 68 confirmed cases in 38 million population (but the hospitals are already strained with seasonal flu, and other factors, so the sudden growth of new infections would be catastrophic), with a few hundred more suspected, and Veles only knows how many more quietly infected.


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Drejk wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:
In the all too likely event that anybody (esepcially Drejk) has a spare £3,500 burning a hole in their pocket and also wants to cut a German tank in half, there is a wz. 34 sabre on sale here
I have seen slightly cheaper (around 10%) locally.
TO POLAND!!

Quarantine. Sorry.

Yesterday, the first victim of COVID died, out of confirmed 68 infected, and a few hundreds people suspected of infection.

Duh. I called it. Prime Minister just announced suspension of international flights and train connections, starting on Saturday/Sunday night.


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Bone broth


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Absolutely no one is doing the social distancing thing at school to pick up their kids, except for me, but I do that anyway.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Absolutely no one is doing the social distancing thing at school to pick up their kids, except for me, but I do that anyway.

Antisocial for the win!

High-five!

Or... not...

(I DID see that picture of a muppet sex doll you sent me...)


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And it's finally official: GothBard and both Impii have been ordered to work from home for the rest of the month.

It's going to be awfully cozy around here...

(And yeah, it's political, but my VAST frustration with the national response cannot be contained. A simple PLAN of SOME SORT would have been nice, instead of, "You're all on your own! Figure out something to do!")


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NobodysHome wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Absolutely no one is doing the social distancing thing at school to pick up their kids, except for me, but I do that anyway.

Antisocial for the win!

High-five!

Or... not...

(I DID see that picture of a muppet sex doll you sent me...)

The circus is a magical place!

I guess the next volume has puggle people as a player ancestry.

Scarab Sages

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There was hoarding today at the supermarket. No bread. No toilet paper. No frozen vegetables.

I'll intruduce you to one of my favorite dutch sayings:

"Het zal mijn tijd wel duren"

Literally ‘it will last my time’, you can use this phrase when the consequences of an event are not immediate but may be noticed after a long time, typically when it is no longer of concern to you and hence you don’t care about it. The phrase can also be used in general when you don’t care about the outcome of something because it doesn’t concern you much.


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NobodysHome wrote:

And it's finally official: GothBard and both Impii have been ordered to work from home for the rest of the month.

It's going to be awfully cozy around here...

(And yeah, it's political, but my VAST frustration with the national response cannot be contained. A simple PLAN of SOME SORT would have been nice, instead of, "You're all on your own! Figure out something to do!")

Wait... Isn't that the whole point of USA in the first place?


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Woran wrote:

There was hoarding today at the supermarket. No bread. No toilet paper. No frozen vegetables.

I'll intruduce you to one of my favorite dutch sayings:

"Het zal mijn tijd wel duren"

Literally ‘it will last my time’, you can use this phrase when the consequences of an event are not immediate but may be noticed after a long time, typically when it is no longer of concern to you and hence you don’t care about it. The phrase can also be used in general when you don’t care about the outcome of something because it doesn’t concern you much.

So, kind of a combination of "this too shall pass" and "not my problem/I couldn't care less"?


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Pretty sure the initial purpose of the USA was to provide raw materials/artisan goods for Merry Old England. Then we went and threw a tantrum about being told "Hey, defending you from the neighbors you keep aggroing is getting too expensive, so can you help pay for that and maybe stop aggroing?" Tea was destroyed, feelings were hurt, and France came to help throw gas on the fire because England isn't their real dad.


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Scintillae wrote:
Pretty sure the initial purpose of the USA was to provide raw materials/artisan goods for Merry Old England. Then we went and threw a tantrum about being told "Hey, defending you from the neighbors you keep aggroing is getting too expensive, so can you help pay for that and maybe stop aggroing?" Tea was destroyed, feelings were hurt, and France came to help throw gas on the fire because England isn't their real dad.

Textbooks would be so much more readable if you wrote them.


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Vanykrye wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Pretty sure the initial purpose of the USA was to provide raw materials/artisan goods for Merry Old England. Then we went and threw a tantrum about being told "Hey, defending you from the neighbors you keep aggroing is getting too expensive, so can you help pay for that and maybe stop aggroing?" Tea was destroyed, feelings were hurt, and France came to help throw gas on the fire because England isn't their real dad.
Textbooks would be so much more readable if you wrote them.

Do you ever wonder if the cafe that sold Gavrilo Princip his lunch that day advertised after the war that his food was so good it ripped Europe apart?


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Thoughts on roll20 versus fantasy grounds?


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Orthos wrote:
Woran wrote:

There was hoarding today at the supermarket. No bread. No toilet paper. No frozen vegetables.

I'll intruduce you to one of my favorite dutch sayings:

"Het zal mijn tijd wel duren"

Literally ‘it will last my time’, you can use this phrase when the consequences of an event are not immediate but may be noticed after a long time, typically when it is no longer of concern to you and hence you don’t care about it. The phrase can also be used in general when you don’t care about the outcome of something because it doesn’t concern you much.

So, kind of a combination of "this too shall pass" and "not my problem/I couldn't care less"?

I've gotten rather fond of the addendum "...it may pass like a kidney stone, but it will pass."


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Gov Pritzker just announced all public schools in Illinois will be closed starting Tuesday.


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Survival Guide for Working From Home


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I'm listening to Kenny Loggins.

I wonder why?

Scarab Sages

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Orthos wrote:
Woran wrote:

There was hoarding today at the supermarket. No bread. No toilet paper. No frozen vegetables.

I'll intruduce you to one of my favorite dutch sayings:

"Het zal mijn tijd wel duren"

Literally ‘it will last my time’, you can use this phrase when the consequences of an event are not immediate but may be noticed after a long time, typically when it is no longer of concern to you and hence you don’t care about it. The phrase can also be used in general when you don’t care about the outcome of something because it doesn’t concern you much.

So, kind of a combination of "this too shall pass" and "not my problem/I couldn't care less"?

Yeah, and a little bit of 'water of a duck'


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Limeylongears wrote:

I'm listening to Kenny Loggins.

I wonder why?

Because it's time to cut loose?

Scarab Sages

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Nylarthotep wrote:
Thoughts on roll20 versus fantasy grounds?

Roll20 is mostly free and has a fairly easy learning curve.

Fantasy grounds has a steeper learning curve, and costs money, but once you get over that its just a lot better.

So if you dont have a lot of spare cash, and want to use it once in a while, roll20 is good.

If you have spare cash, and are looking for long term use, especially with a set group, fantasy grounds is great.

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