Deep 6 FaWtL

[Kileanna]

Working third shift again! So I'll be around for a biiig while.

Edit: as I am almost alone... why not working nekkid?

[gran rey de los mono]

WOOHOO! I stop in for a minute, and I see nekkid Kileanna! Good timing.

[gran rey de los mono]

If anyone's looking for BBQ, and can find a Mission BBQ, I recommend it. I ate at one earlier and it was delicious.

[gran rey de los mono]

How about a couple of quick jokes?

[gran rey de los mono]

The airlines have gotten so strapped for cash that they charged me for my emotional baggage.

[gran rey de los mono]

Did you hear about the pilot who could always get work? He was great at landing a job.

[gran rey de los mono]

I flew through a rainbow during my flight exam. I passed with flying colors.

[gran rey de los mono]

The debate about unmanned aircraft just keeps droning on.

[gran rey de los mono]

Most airline food is pretty bad, but their haggis is just plane offal.

[gran rey de los mono]

When astronauts die, do they publish an orbituary?

[Tacticslion]

The Game Hamster wrote:

Had to get an extension also... At least they'll reimburse me for this, but man, is this internet better now...

See? "All things," my dude!

(Though this is one of those surprisingly "the way I would have wanted" things...)

[NobodysHome]

So I want to be absolutely sure that people understand this is an expression of bemused incredulity rather than any form of irritation, but it's happened yet again:

One of my groups had a weeks-long break from gaming, ending the last session in a major city

I provided them with a detailed spreadsheet of all the loot they'd obtained, its sale value, and a space to enter in their names if they wanted it

I encouraged an open discussion of loot distribution, providing current wealth of all PCs

There were 4-5 quick e-mail responses as to starting ideas

For the next 4 weeks, utter silence

So yet again, I'm going into a session tomorrow, and I'm skeptical that I'll have to do anything other than run a city. Lots of fun for me, and quite relaxing, but I'm sure most of my players are going to complain about having "lost" a session to loot distribution.

And it happens with almost every single group I run.

Honestly, the, "Let's distribute loot during session time" happens in every group, but one group really loves roleplaying through the selling, the shopping, and exploring the town, and in the S&S group I'm the "loot distributor" and they just let me do it behind the scenes and give them money totals without ever bothering them with things like who gets what. (I did love the session where I told the sorceress, "You're taking this," and she asked, "What? Why?" "Because we may have a use for it, and you're the only one who can use it." "Oh, OK." Yes. As a player NobodysHome forces loot on unsuspecting PCs.)

EDIT: I suspect the answer would be "push" loot distribution (One player decides who gets what, only giving out loot that is obviously useful, or that is so arcane the AP obviously put it in for a reason).
Most games use "pull" loot distribution (each player asks for what they want), and if you have a single player of the, "I want anything that I might possibly ever use, so one of every magic weapon of every material and every damage type, one of every scroll, one of every...", that player ruins everything.
"Push" works much better, but the "I want" players HATE "Push".

[Drejk]

I think the corrrect designation is "master looter".

[Echo The Bunnyman]

Plays ripped sax solo while vampires maul one of the Corey's on the boardwalk.

[Jess Door]

Wow! It's still alive. Haven't been here in ages.

::waves::

Life is funny. Stuff happened.

[Deep Thoughts, By Cap Yesterday]

Things to ask yourself today.

What would Macaulay Culkin do if he was shrunk by Rick Moranis.

[Vidmaster7]

Slap his face with both hands and scream.

Edit: also possibly some hard drugs depending on age.

[Tacticslion]

Head pain.

Hey, NH, quick question: I'm trying to get a rough guesstimation for 4^290 power - approximately (emphasis on approximately) how much would that be, if it were expressed in words?

Presuppose I've forgotten, oh, everything I've ever learned in math. Well, at least Calculus. More specifically, this means nothing to me, right now, and my attempts to refresh myself on the notation have yielded more or less nothing.

More detail:

Basically, it seems I've entirely forgotten my "really really big" notation, and am curious if you have a short way of explaining it.

For the record, I was planning on multiplying that number by:

[466] and [933] and [1,400]

... and yeah, this is about carrying capacity.

Even More Detail:

Man, you're really into this, eh? For the really curious, it's a hypothetical look at what would happen if someone starting with a Strength of 29 then gained +2,900 to their Strength for the purpose of carrying capacity, only. Every 10 points above 29 -> *4 to carrying capacity. At 2,900, that's 290 iterations of *4, or *(4^290). Mostly, I'm trying to see how close s/he'd be to benchpressing planets at that point. I mean, I wasn't looking to see that, originally - it was just a bit of mathematical niftiness that you could accidentally do with unlimited access to certain spells, and about ~580 people who were on-board with the idea (and getting into those specific numbers is... needlessly detailed). Anyhoo, WAY TMI...

EDIT: I mean, now that it may actually be on the table,
I'm really curious how close I am to accidentally creating Chuck Norris...

[Tacticslion]

Jess Door wrote:

Wow! It's still alive. Haven't been here in ages.

::waves::

Life is funny. Stuff happened.

WOW~! HELLO MS. DOOR!

I wasn't hanging around here when you were, but you're the first to post on this particular iteration of FaWtL, and are thus super-welcome back!

How are you? What's been going on? Let us know everything you want to!

:D

[Tacticslion]

Oh: We've a space version of FaWtL, now! :D

[Vidmaster7]

Tacticslion wrote:

Head pain.

Hey, NH, quick question: I'm trying to get a rough guesstimation for 4^290 power - approximately (emphasis on approximately) how much would that be, if it were expressed in words?

Presuppose I've forgotten, oh, everything I've ever learned in math. Well, at least Calculus. More specifically, this means nothing to me, right now, and my attempts to refresh myself on the notation have yielded more or less nothing.

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Wow calculator gives me this

5.540201e+177

I'm not entirely sure what to do with that. I might have known back when I was in college but ill be darned if I can remember now.

[Drejk]

To for just a very rough estimate, I'd just see what 4^300 is...

That doesn't help much, does it?

[Tacticslion]

Tacticslion wrote:

Head pain.

Hey, NH, quick question: I'm trying to get a rough guesstimation for 4^290 power - approximately (emphasis on approximately) how much would that be, if it were expressed in words?

Presuppose I've forgotten, oh, everything I've ever learned in math. Well, at least Calculus. More specifically, this means nothing to me, right now, and my attempts to refresh myself on the notation have yielded more or less nothing.

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Vidmaster7 wrote:

Wow calculator gives me this

5.540201e+177

I'm not entirely sure what to do with that. I might have known back when I was in college but ill be darned if I can remember now.

Drejk wrote:

To for just a very rough estimate, I'd just see what 4^300 is...

That doesn't help much, does it?

I know, right? What the heck, me?

For the record, the Google calculator gives me (4^290) as "3.957286e+174" which... I also can't recall what that means, like, at all.

Heck, at this point, I'd probably even take a Fermi Estimation of the thing, if it made more sense.

Either way, I'm taking this notation confusion as proof that NH was right in our previous math conversation, and that calculators really are effectively linguistic Hellknights, only more lawful evil.
I'm paraphrasing, a little, yeah, but I'm pretty sure that's basically exactly what he said. ;D

EDIT: ninja dragons!

[Vidmaster7]

Now help me out there i'm rusty why would it be 4^290? that would be 4 times itself 290 times correct? 4 x 4 x 4 x 4... etc. wouldn't it be more like 4x290? since its every 10 it goes up my a multiplier of 4. Gah I can't do calculus anymore.

so wouldn't that be more like say increase strength by 50 would be times 20 to the weight?

Ok so im thinking it out

Edit: My initial impression is that you would figure out the modifier for having a 50 str for example so it would be x8 (4+4) but and I think your right now that I think about it. it would be a 16 (4x4) multiple

Right?

[Tacticslion]

Oh? Maybe I did it wrong.

If it's 4*290 it is easy: that's 1,160.

That yields:

Light: 540,560
Medium: 1,082,280
Heavy: 1,624,000

But here was my logic (and I'm ready to be told, "Tac, you're being dumb." That happens.):

what I think wrote:

If I get 39 Str, that multiplies by x4.

If I then get 49 Str, that multiplies by x4.
If I then get 59 Str, that multiplies by x4.

To me, that pattern looks like I'm going to go x4x4x4, or 4^3.

If I hear you, correctly you read that it's:

It seems you read wrote:

If I get 39 Str, that multiplies by x4.

If I get 49 Str, that multiplies by x4*2 = x8.
If I get 59 Str, that multiplies by x4*3 = x12.

That's what you're getting, right?

For clarity, it doesn't have to be 29; rather it can be any strength between 20 and 29 that increases by 10 that follows this pattern*. That's why I'm looking at the actual multiplier rather than the final number.

* Nevermind that this pattern doesn't hold up at lower numbers. It can seem pretty close from 10->20 (going from 33*4 is 132, while going from 133/4 -> 33.8), but that isn't entirely correct, and it entirely falls apart at numbers below that (as, say, comparing 11 STR and 1 STR; 3x4 = 12, while 38/3 -> 12+(2/3)... nope, not even close).

EDIT: ninja Vid edit!

Vidmaster7 wrote:

Edit: My initial impression is that you would figure out the modifier for having a 50 str for example so it would be x8 (4+4) but and I think your right now that I think about it. it would be a 16 (4x4) multiple

Right?

Yeah, I'm getting the latter, by my reading. I guess I can see the former (as it's much easier), but the latter seems to be what they're saying.

That said, I'm prepared to be wrong!

[Vidmaster7]

so e means 20 decimal places on a calculator so I think the +174 means an additional 174 decimal places so does the number really have over 174 zero's?

Yeah im not sure which way is the correct way to do it. I'm going to go read over carrying capacity.

[Tacticslion]

Holy guacamole! That's a lot!

That's 194, if you're read is correct!

That... that's more than a Google googol, and is nearly two?!

[Jess Door]

Tacticslion wrote:

Head pain.

Hey, NH, quick question: I'm trying to get a rough guesstimation for 4^290 power - approximately (emphasis on approximately) how much would that be, if it were expressed in words?

Presuppose I've forgotten, oh, everything I've ever learned in math. Well, at least Calculus. More specifically, this means nothing to me, right now, and my attempts to refresh myself on the notation have yielded more or less nothing.

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

EDIT: I mean, now that it may actually be on the table,
I'm really curious how close I am to accidentally creating Chuck Norris...

Okay, so the calculation you linked said it was "3.957[some more numbers]e174, which, if I recall correctly, means 3.957 [some more numbers] times 10^174, or 1 with 174 zeroes behind it. So you'll be moving that decimal back 174 digits.

Alternatively, you could find a calculator that can handle bigger numbers. I google'd one:

Big Number Calculator and got this lovely number in return:

3 957 286 423 569 672 544 968 040 336 314 355 040 562 101 585 619 389 438 625 008 897 486 355 601 704 509 874 725 062 416 979 888 719 833 562 742 816 258 229 429 621 840 548 908 019 359 480 738 481 630 290 686 665 708 354 379 186 176

which is a pretty big number.

[Vidmaster7]

Now that is a Chuck Norris number^^

Tremendous Strength: For Strength scores not shown on Table: Carrying Capacity, find the Strength score between 20 and 29 that has the same number in the "ones" digit as the creature's Strength score does and multiply the numbers in that row by 4 for every 10 points the creature's Strength is above the score for that row.

hmm. I'm leaning towards the 4*2 4*3 4*4 route but i'm still not sure enough to say.

[Jess Door]

Tacticslion wrote:

Jess Door wrote:

Wow! It's still alive. Haven't been here in ages.

::waves::

Life is funny. Stuff happened.

WOW~! HELLO MS. DOOR!

I wasn't hanging around here when you were, but you're the first to post on this particular iteration of FaWtL, and are thus super-welcome back!

How are you? What's been going on? Let us know everything you want to!

:D

::looks at first page::

That was...wow...a while ago.

Great, now I feel old.

Time for a nap.

[Tacticslion]

Wow! Thanks, yeah! That's... that's just at more than one and a half googol times almost-four. Wowzerz.

Chuck Norris power: get!

EDIT: and, for the record, that is, in fact, a 3 with 174 digits behind it... (58 sets of three digits each -> 174 digits).

[Tacticslion]

Jess Door wrote:

Tacticslion wrote:

Jess Door wrote:

Wow! It's still alive. Haven't been here in ages.

::waves::

Life is funny. Stuff happened.

WOW~! HELLO MS. DOOR!

I wasn't hanging around here when you were, but you're the first to post on this particular iteration of FaWtL, and are thus super-welcome back!

How are you? What's been going on? Let us know everything you want to!

:D

::looks at first page::

That was...wow...a while ago.

Great, now I feel old.

Time for a nap.

You don't look a day over 29! :D

[Tacticslion]

Vidmaster7 wrote:

Now that is a Chuck Norris number^^

Tremendous Strength: For Strength scores not shown on Table: Carrying Capacity, find the Strength score between 20 and 29 that has the same number in the "ones" digit as the creature's Strength score does and multiply the numbers in that row by 4 for every 10 points the creature's Strength is above the score for that row.

hmm. I'm leaning towards the 4*2 4*3 4*4 route but i'm still not sure enough to say.

Yeah, that is definitely a fair interpretation. I'm surprised it's as ambiguous as it is, to me, but there we are!

English. It just is. XD

[Vidmaster7]

so for some perspective if its the chuck norris number the heaviest thing I could find was a black hole that scientist estimate ways 66 billion suns the sun weighs 4.385 × 10^30 lbs

so the number I got was 2.8941e+41

way way lower then the chuck Norris number. so your character with a 2900 strength is stronger then a black hole (strong enough to pick up one anyways theoretically). by several factors. I actually think his str might as well be inf since there is probably nothing in the universe that he could not pick up. (I'll just juggle these black holes)

[Vidmaster7]

I think the carrying weight discussion should go to the rules forums i would be interested in knowing what others think.

[Tacticslion]

Hmmmm... suddenly this doesn't seem so impossible by rules, after all...

Although the creature's current strength is only 48, that's a pretty good starting base, especially since the origin was millions of foul creatures being pulled within...

But yeah, a rules thread would be sweeeeellllll...

*looks at Vid to start and link one...*

[Vidmaster7]

I'm not good at linking can't figure it out on this forum but there is a thread now.

[Tacticslion]

[ url = www.wikipedia.com ] hey, look at me, click! [ /url ]

Remove the spaces in front of and in between and at the end of the brackets

(So, "[ url" would become "[url" for example; while "www.wikipedia.org ] hey, look at me, click!" would become "www.wikipedia.org]hey, look at me, click!")

And that yields:

hey, look at me, click!

Or, for the thread in question,

[url =http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uh1y?Tremendous-strength#1]strength thread[ / url]

with the spaces removed, becomes:

strength thread

:D

[Tacticslion]

Thanks!

[Tacticslion]

But, I mean, really, we're discussing the difference between a light load of a few whales (the light load above is ~270.28 tons, presupposing 2,000 lbs. in a ton), or a light load of a (quite a) few black holes...

[Tacticslion]

Oh, and as a completely unrelated aside, to the best of my knowledge, there are (roughly) about 832 unique mythic ability choices you can make (not including the nine sets of "4 extra spells per day" you can take per casting class, but including multiples of all other options, including choosing the ~320 evil gods as targets of "Heathen Slayer" - though I didn't count up the non-evil ones, sooooo... more than that).

[Vidmaster7]

Whats interesting to me is thinking how far I could jump If I could exert that much force. Now I suppose you could just plug the +1445 into the acrobatics chart, but that is just not on the same scale as the Carrying Capacity.
If you figured out the newtons of force you could exert you could see if you could hurl yourself from one planet to the next by jumping off of course you would very likely throw the planet your jumping from off its orbit or destroy it by exerting that much force but once you hit space as long as you didn't get pulled to far off by some celestial bodies gravity you could hop from planet to planet and probably at high speeds given the amount of force your exerting.

I need a physicist.

[Tacticslion]

That's why this site exists...

[Vidmaster7]

I will look into that later for sure.

[Vidmaster7]

Have doing some calculations. This really makes my super strength power for the super hero system I've been writing a lot more impressive :D

[Freehold DM]

Jess Door wrote:

Wow! It's still alive. Haven't been here in ages.

::waves::

Life is funny. Stuff happened.

O.o

sound less, squeaky scream

[Freehold DM]

Jess Door wrote:

Tacticslion wrote:

Head pain.

Hey, NH, quick question: I'm trying to get a rough guesstimation for 4^290 power - approximately (emphasis on approximately) how much would that be, if it were expressed in words?

Presuppose I've forgotten, oh, everything I've ever learned in math. Well, at least Calculus. More specifically, this means nothing to me, right now, and my attempts to refresh myself on the notation have yielded more or less nothing.

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

EDIT: I mean, now that it may actually be on the table,
I'm really curious how close I am to accidentally creating Chuck Norris...

Okay, so the calculation you linked said it was "3.957[some more numbers]e174, which, if I recall correctly, means 3.957 [some more numbers] times 10^174, or 1 with 174 zeroes behind it. So you'll be moving that decimal back 174 digits.

Alternatively, you could find a calculator that can handle bigger numbers. I google'd one:

Big Number Calculator and got this lovely number in return:

3 957 286 423 569 672 544 968 040 336 314 355 040 562 101 585 619 389 438 625 008 897 486 355 601 704 509 874 725 062 416 979 888 719 833 562 742 816 258 229 429 621 840 548 908 019 359 480 738 481 630 290 686 665 708 354 379 186 176

which is a pretty big number.

the math, she burns me, but I am so happy to see you it doesn't matter.

Ow.

[Freehold DM]

Jess Door wrote:

Tacticslion wrote:

Jess Door wrote:

Wow! It's still alive. Haven't been here in ages.

::waves::

Life is funny. Stuff happened.

WOW~! HELLO MS. DOOR!

I wasn't hanging around here when you were, but you're the first to post on this particular iteration of FaWtL, and are thus super-welcome back!

How are you? What's been going on? Let us know everything you want to!

:D

::looks at first page::

That was...wow...a while ago.

Great, now I feel old.

Time for a nap.

ZOMG IT'S YOU OMG YOU ARE BACK IM SO HAPPY

[Freehold DM]

Tacticslion wrote:

Head pain.

Hey, NH, quick question: I'm trying to get a rough guesstimation for 4^290 power - approximately (emphasis on approximately) how much would that be, if it were expressed in words?

Presuppose I've forgotten, oh, everything I've ever learned in math. Well, at least Calculus. More specifically, this means nothing to me, right now, and my attempts to refresh myself on the notation have yielded more or less nothing.

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

EDIT: I mean, now that it may actually be on the table,
I'm really curious how close I am to accidentally creating Chuck Norris...

math is pain.

The only way around it is to not do math.

hands tactics a final fantasy tactics artbook

There you go.

[The Game Hamster]

Life is pain! Anyone who tells you other wise is selling something.