Spellstrike + Close Range Magus Arcana

[Martiln]

Okay, I know how this works if you're using a ray spell like Ray of Frost, or Disintegrate, since they are single ray, single target spells, but what happens if you're using your Close Range Magus Arcana to channel Scorching Ray through Spellstrike? If it hits, does it only use 1 ray, or all of them at once, or 1 ray per round to a maximum of how many rays you actually have?

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

This is a really good question; it also kinda applies to Chill Touch.

[Craigory Primodious]

Spellstrike only allows for the use of "Touch" spells. So I dont see this is relevant since you cant use ranged spelss with spell strike.

[Synapse]

Craigory Primodious wrote:

Spellstrike only allows for the use of "Touch" spells. So I dont see this is relevant since you cant use ranged spelss with spell strike.

The Close Range arcana allows you to deliver single-target ranged spells as Touch spells, thus being usable with spellstrike. Stab a disintegrate!

If scorching ray allows for more than 1 target, it can't be Close-Ranged.

[Quantum Steve]

Synapse wrote:

Craigory Primodious wrote:

Spellstrike only allows for the use of "Touch" spells. So I dont see this is relevant since you cant use ranged spelss with spell strike.

The Close Range arcana allows you to deliver single-target ranged spells as Touch spells, thus being usable with spellstrike. Stab a disintegrate!

If scorching ray allows for more than 1 target, it can't be Close-Ranged.

Disintegrate isn't a targeted spell, though. It produces an effect. i.e. A Ray.

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Synapse wrote:

The Close Range arcana allows you to deliver single-target ranged spells as Touch spells, thus being usable with spellstrike. Stab a disintegrate!

If scorching ray allows for more than 1 target, it can't be Close-Ranged.

I'm not so sure of that, since Scorching Ray allows you to target the multiple rays at "the same or different targets, but all rays must be aimed at targets within 30 feet of each other and fired simultaneously." (Pathfinder CRB, p 337)

That seems to indicate, to me, that you can apply Close Range to Scorching Ray and then mix it with Spellstrike, but you have to hit a single target with all of the rays.

Elsewise, Scorching Ray works fin with Close Range / Spellstrike until you get to level 7, at which point you pick up your second ray and it stops working.

[Synapse]

Quantum Steve wrote:

Synapse wrote:

Craigory Primodious wrote:

Spellstrike only allows for the use of "Touch" spells. So I dont see this is relevant since you cant use ranged spelss with spell strike.

The Close Range arcana allows you to deliver single-target ranged spells as Touch spells, thus being usable with spellstrike. Stab a disintegrate!

If scorching ray allows for more than 1 target, it can't be Close-Ranged.

Disintegrate isn't a targeted spell, though. It produces an effect. i.e. A Ray.

It's a single target ranged touch attack. The ray doesn't change that.

[Quantum Steve]

Synapse wrote:

Quantum Steve wrote:

Synapse wrote:

Craigory Primodious wrote:

Spellstrike only allows for the use of "Touch" spells. So I dont see this is relevant since you cant use ranged spelss with spell strike.

The Close Range arcana allows you to deliver single-target ranged spells as Touch spells, thus being usable with spellstrike. Stab a disintegrate!

If scorching ray allows for more than 1 target, it can't be Close-Ranged.

Disintegrate isn't a targeted spell, though. It produces an effect. i.e. A Ray.

It's a single target ranged touch attack. The ray doesn't change that.

I don't know exactly how the Close Range works. I don't have the playtest handy. The distiction between a targeted spell with a single target and an effect spell with a single target would matter for, say, a Spell Storing Weapon.

If all the Scorching Rays targeted the same target, wouldn't that be a "single-target"? What if you didn't pick any secondary targets for Chain Lightning?

[Synapse]

That doesn't change the spell's nature of having more than one target.

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Synapse wrote:

That doesn't change the spell's nature of having more than one target.

Can a 4th-level Magus with the Close Range Arcana cast Scorching Ray using Spellstrike?

[Synapse]

Patryn of Elvenshae wrote:

Synapse wrote:

That doesn't change the spell's nature of having more than one target.

Can a 4th-level Magus with the Close Range Arcana cast Scorching Ray using Spellstrike?

The fact you only have 1 target to choose doesn't change scorching ray's nature as a multi-target spell.

[Martiln]

Hmm, still no official ruling from the Devs, so I guess I'll stick with how I've been ruling it so far, making it so you can only use 1 of the rays while making a Spellstrike, but an official ruling would still be appreciated.