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Given that his surname eventually became an honorific, he obviously had the last hearty laugh of delicious cheesecake irony.Julius Caesar was called "The Queen of Bythinia" by his opponents back in Rome during his stay in the Pontic Kingdom...They're ancient as well. Most of the ancient accounts are second hand. Julius Caesar notes it amongst the Britons after his invasion of the island, first hand if you're looking for one.Reminds me of that episode in HBO's Rome where Octavian's mother had thought he was getting buggered by Julius and looked up on it as a sign of favor toward the house.
As far as some can tell, Caesar meant "hairy". This is ironic, in that he was very very bald.
Easy now. You're coming across as looking for a fight. Maybe you should consider your own advice (bolded).
Right, and you come across as someone trying very hard to control the discussion, but I don't hate you for it. :)
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I'm not upset. Haven't been actually. I was kind of caught off-guard by the tone you seemed to be taking. If that's not your intent, that's cool because you really did come off as incredibly dismissive so I can understand why animosity would arise there.
Combined with the tone you and Lindisty were taking with each other I just started to ignore you, honestly. No need now, but you really seemed upset before after a poor choice of words. It happens to everyone.
I stand by my choice of words. Marginal is a very good word, and I think that it fits perfectly in the context used. If you don't care for it, that's too bad. You need not feel obligated to use my terminology. Please do use your own.
I am not upset. I do find Lindisty's seeming preachniess to be rather off-putting.
Eesh, do you always try to use such baiting?
Edit: apparently. Flagged for abuse.
I stand by my choice of words. Marginal is a very good word, and I think that it fits perfectly in the context used. If you don't care for it, that's too bad. You need not feel obligated to use my terminology. Please do use your own.
I am not upset. I do find Lindisty's seeming preachniess to be rather off-putting.
And originally, f*ggot meant a bundle of sticks, and queer meant weird or odd. Yet now, both words are considered offensive to many people. Marginal has taken on certain cultural tones, whether you acknowledge that or not.
Please, stop for a second, and consider letting go of this defensiveness. People disagreeing with you on the Internet does not automatically mean you are being attacked.
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Easy now. You're coming across as looking for a fight. Maybe you should consider your own advice (bolded).Right, and you come across as someone trying very hard to control the discussion, but I don't hate you for it. :)
My attempt was to keep this thread from descending into name-calling and flames.
Eesh, do you always try to use such baiting?I stand by my choice of words. Marginal is a very good word, and I think that it fits perfectly in the context used. If you don't care for it, that's too bad. You need not feel obligated to use my terminology. Please do use your own.
I am not upset. I do find Lindisty's seeming preachniess to be rather off-putting.
Wait, so it's not batiing when you call my posts 'dismissive' but it is if I think something comes across as 'preachy'? That's not very consistent, I think.
As far as some can tell, Caesar meant "hairy". This is ironic, in that he was very very bald.
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Shame, as Ciarán Hinds made an awesome Julius Caesar for the series.
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Shame, as Ciarán Hinds made an awesome Julius Caesar for the series.As far as some can tell, Caesar meant "hairy". This is ironic, in that he was very very bald.
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I've actually never seen it. Never had HBO during its run and I don't feel like spending 120 bucks to go and get it so far. :(
Wait, so it's not 'batiing when you call my posts' dimsissive' but it is if I think something is 'preachy'? You must admit, I've got you on this one, bud.
Nah, dude. I'm not here to pick sides, but I'm going to have to chime in with the consensus here; you're baiting. I may not agree with some people's opinions, but to outright call someone a common epithet essentially decreases your credibility.
It wouldn't hurt to grab a slice of humble pie. I prefer butter cream instead of whipped cream from an aerosol can, myself.
I don't think men have historically done this for one another unless they were working together though. I could be wrong, and I probably am.However, once again, what is considered "good manners" in a society does indeed have it's origins in more sexist behavior.
Actually contrary to common opinion, Holding a door for a woman is not sexist behavior if you're doing so because you're being polite. (in that case you'd hold doors for men to.) If you hold a door for someone ONLY if they are female. then it's a sexist act.
Problem is Americans aren't a polite people... it's not as built into our society as it would be in Europe and Asia and we seem to have problems integrating civility into our society or even teaching it.
I'm a guy, and I hold the door open for a lot of guys. I also hold the door for women, for children, and for the elderly. It's how I was raised, to be polite to others.
I've actually never seen it. Never had HBO during its run and I don't feel like spending 120 bucks to go and get it so far. :(Shame, as Ciarán Hinds made an awesome Julius Caesar for the series.As far as some can tell, Caesar meant "hairy". This is ironic, in that he was very very bald.
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I didn't have HBO, either. You can get it through Netflix. I highly recommend it. By the end of the series at the second season, you will be fond of Titus Pullo.
I've actually never seen it. Never had HBO during its run and I don't feel like spending 120 bucks to go and get it so far. :(Shame, as Ciarán Hinds made an awesome Julius Caesar for the series.As far as some can tell, Caesar meant "hairy". This is ironic, in that he was very very bald.
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Is it on netflix? Seems like something the wife and I would enjoy.
I prefer butter cream instead of whipped cream from an aerosol can, myself.
On a big ol' slice of cheesecake? :D
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I didn't have HBO, either. You can get it through Netflix. I highly recommend it. By the end of the series at the second season, you will be fond of Titus Pullo.I've actually never seen it. Never had HBO during its run and I don't feel like spending 120 bucks to go and get it so far. :(Shame, as Ciarán Hinds made an awesome Julius Caesar for the series.As far as some can tell, Caesar meant "hairy". This is ironic, in that he was very very bald.
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We've got AT&T now. I'll check the On Demand to see if it's there first. I would really like to see the series.
Nah, dude. I'm not here to pick sides, but I'm going to have to chime in with the consensus here; you're baiting. I may not agree with some people's opinions, but to outright call someone a common epithet essentially decreases your credibility.
Naw, I call shenanigans. ;)
If they can write that my language is dismissive or complain about my 'tone' then I think I can say that I find someone's posts a bit preachy. They haven't got a leg to stand on.PS- I eat humble pie when I am wrong, not when I'm in the right. I AM in the right. Lindisty and her pals have tried to shut me up, shut me down, and shut me out because they don't like that I had used the word' marginal' to refer to cultures that are, well, pretty much marginal in a global context.
We've got AT&T now. I'll check the On Demand to see if it's there first. I would really like to see the series.I didn't have HBO, either. You can get it through Netflix. I highly recommend it. By the end of the series at the second season, you will be fond of Titus Pullo.I've actually never seen it. Never had HBO during its run and I don't feel like spending 120 bucks to go and get it so far. :(Shame, as Ciarán Hinds made an awesome Julius Caesar for the series.As far as some can tell, Caesar meant "hairy". This is ironic, in that he was very very bald.
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Good luck. The series ran 2005 - 2007, so I'm skeptical if you can get it that way. But seriously, must check it out.
I don't want to give it away, but you'll be tickled at their alternative take on Ptolemy XV Caesarion.
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I was grocery shopping last night, and it's pretty cold here in Houston. Not cold compared to the rest of the country, but cold compared to what folks from this area are used to. I was pushing my cart back to my car to load my groceries and saw an older couple just finish loading their groceries into their car. They both looked miserable. While I was cold too, I figured I should be able to take the weather a little better, being from Michigan (maybe I just wanted to pretend my blood hasn't thinned yet), and I said "Let me get that for you, sir," and grabbed the proffered cart from the husband so he could turn around and help his wife into the car, and I dropped my cart off by my car and ran the remaining one to the little cart depisitory. I didn't do it because they're old and decrepit. I didn't do it because I thought they couldn't do it. I didn't do it for any real reason except they looked a little miserable standing there in the cold, and it wouldn't take me but three seconds to help them out a tiny bit.
Sometimes someone's just nice because they're trying to be nice. I've sometimes got a chip on my shoulder about things, but I try to remember to interpret people's actions in the most positive light before I assume they're being dismissive or putting me down. I do this with varied success...but it sounds like everyone here needs to take a deep breath and try once more to assume the best of others.
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We've got AT&T now. I'll check the On Demand to see if it's there first. I would really like to see the series.I didn't have HBO, either. You can get it through Netflix. I highly recommend it. By the end of the series at the second season, you will be fond of Titus Pullo.I've actually never seen it. Never had HBO during its run and I don't feel like spending 120 bucks to go and get it so far. :(Shame, as Ciarán Hinds made an awesome Julius Caesar for the series.As far as some can tell, Caesar meant "hairy". This is ironic, in that he was very very bald.
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Good luck. The series ran 2005 - 2007, so I'm skeptical if you can get it that way. But seriously, must check it out.
I don't want to give it away, but you'll be tickled at their alternative take on Ptolemy XV Caesarion.
If it's not, then it'll be a while before I'm able to see it. Money could get tight. >_> <_<
I call shenanigans. If they can write that my language is dismissive or complain about my 'tone' then I think I can say that I find someone's posts a bit preachy. They haven't got a leg to stand on.
Nah, dude. I'm not here to pick sides, but I'm going to have to chime in with the consensus here; you're baiting. I may not agree with some people's opinions, but to outright call someone a common epithet essentially decreases your credibility.
Marginalization can mean several different things contextually, but given the topic of this thread, I read it the same way as did the rest of them. Perhaps your definition of the word was marginalized in comparison to how the majority perceived it when they read it, yes? Sometimes a bad choice of words is just a bad choice of words given the conversational context. Happens all the time in daily language. Damn its dynamic evolvement! :p
But outright calling the woman a d**k isn't shenanigans? At least get the gender correct. I can't picture her as beefcake material. ;-)
If it's not, then it'll be a while before I'm able to see it. Money could get tight. >_> <_<
I hear you. I had to let Netflix go when I got my employment walking papers 13 months ago. I've pretty much given up practically everything I subscribed to outside the Internet/Basic Cable.
Except my Paizo. My hands will be cold and dead first. :P
Marginalization can mean several different things contextually, but given the topic of this thread, I read it the same way as did the rest of them. Perhaps your definition of the word was marginalized in comparison to how the majority perceived it when they read it, yes? Sometimes a bad choice of words is just a bad choice of words given the conversational context. Happens all the time in daily language. Damn its dynamic evolvement! :p
It was a GREAT choice of words, not a poor choice. If certain people want to try and impose political correctness on me, they'd better think again. I don't play that game. It's BS.
(But then, that's pretty much what a lot of these conversations revolve around. Yes, women (and LGBT folks, and people of color, and kinky folks, etc.) are minorities in gaming culture. That doesn't mean our opinions and voices are unimportant or invalid.)Along these lines, I've heard a number of people from the BDSM side of things bemoan how they're always portrayed as villains and never in a positive light in RPG settings. Many of them found the Book of Vile Darkness particularly upsetting, IIRC.Big +1. :) Sexuality can and should be portrayed positively. Just because a character's sexual preferences and proclivities aren't "mainstream" (whatever that means this week), doesn't mean they're automatically aberrant. It tends to lead me to infer the writer(s) is lazy, ignorant, repressed, or more than one of the above.
Which is weird that so much of healthy human sexuality is still so taboo in US (Western?) culture, but violence gets a free pass on daily TV.
We weren't even talking about 'LBGT' issues. We also weren't discussing skin color, so 'people of color' is bizarre. She just dragged that in to...actually, I have no idea why she dragged it in. The topic was the relative rarity of polyandry both in the real world and in publsihed D&F/PF stuff. I wrote that most people probably don't know what it is, because it's practiced by a relatively small number of minority cultures, and has little impact on the world at large. It isn't something you see much of in the culture that birthed the game, or the sources on which the game draws.
At no time did I or anyone else tell her that she was wrong for wanting to use polyandry in her gaming, or for asking that it be included in published materials.
I brought it up because dismissing one minority group as 'marginal and unimportant' is often indicative of how the majority treats other minority groups. I'd also say that the portrayal of both male and female sexuality in RPGs is pretty emphatically an LGBT issue, because there aren't a whole lot of openly bisexual, gay, lesbian, or transgender characters being portrayed in RPG materials either. (And when they are, those portrayals tend to carry a lot of the same baggage that portrayals of women do.)
I brought it up because dismissing one minority group as 'marginal and unimportant' is often indicative of how the majority treats other minority groups. I'd also say that the...
Why do you keep writing about 'dismssing'?
I don't think you get my point: some customs, like polyandry, are largely confined to a relatively small number of cultures. These cultures are small, limited in influence, and relatively obscure taken on the world scale.This doesn't mean that these cultures are dysfunctional, lacking in worth, unworthy of study, etc. It does mean that they often exist at the margins of larger, more influential cultures.
But outright calling the woman a d**k isn't shenanigans? At least get the gender correct. I can't picture her as beefcake material. ;-)
You never know. I could have a wide variety of said attributes of interchangeable shapes and sizes. I'm not limited to just one, after all, since it wouldn't be factory installed equipment, so to speak. ;)
I've held open doors for both men and women indiscriminately just because we got to the door nearly at the same time. Yet, I've only ever gotten dirty looks from other women. I have no idea why this is. [/derail]...Holding a door for a woman is not sexist behavior if you're doing so because you're being polite. (in that case you'd hold doors for men to.) If you hold a door for someone ONLY if they are female. then it's a sexist act.
Problem is Americans aren't a polite people... it's not as built into our society as it would be in Europe and Asia and we seem to have problems integrating civility into our society or even teaching it.
I wouldn't worry too much about the door thing ambrosia.
I as a 6'3 40 something yr old male have only gotten the rare dirty looks from a female when I held the door open for them.Some thought I was trying to make advances towords them and others were just being cows about a simple act of courtesy.
Maybe the ones you encountered thought the same thing either way I just try to be as courtious as possible to everyone because I like to but the really fun part is when you can be nice and it causes someone else to go bat nuts crazy.
Case in point during heavy traffic try being nice and let others merge freely or make room to help out when you can, the person behind you will lose it completley after awhile.
Had this happen in downtown norfolk during rush hour traffic and at the stop light I could hear the woman behind me screaming curse words at me and flipping me the finger while her son looked on in horror. I smiled politely, waved and mouthed "what would Jesus do" in my rearview mirror and she turned so purple I thought she was going to pass out.
So, how about those protests in Egypt?
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But outright calling the woman a d**k isn't shenanigans? At least get the gender correct. I can't picture her as beefcake material. ;-)You never know. I could have a wide variety of said attributes of interchangeable shapes and sizes. I'm not limited to just one, after all, since it wouldn't be factory installed equipment, so to speak. ;)
After-market mods, eh? Hehehe.
But outright calling the woman a d**k isn't shenanigans? At least get the gender correct. I can't picture her as beefcake material. ;-)You never know. I could have a wide variety of said attributes of interchangeable shapes and sizes. I'm not limited to just one, after all, since it wouldn't be factory installed equipment, so to speak. ;)
CYBORG!!!!!!!
So, how about those protests in Egypt?
Boston Creme Pie... Cake? Pie? Neither? Both?
Holy crap, now I'm really hungry...
So, how about those protests in Egypt?
Heh, that's going to turn out badly, I expect. For whom, though, I can't say.
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Case in point during heavy traffic try being nice and let others merge freely or make room to help out when you can, the person behind you will lose it completley after awhile.
Had this happen in downtown norfolk during rush hour traffic and at the stop light I could hear the woman behind me screaming curse words at me and flipping me the finger while her son looked on in horror. I smiled politely, waved and mouthed "what would Jesus do" in my rearview mirror and she turned so purple I thought she was going to pass out.
I like to take the glass half full outlook on those exact situations. You got to do both a good deed by helping folks out a bit and got a little trolling in on the side towards someone that may very well deserve it.
Sure she might not have deserved it, but again, glass half full. ;)
I've held open doors for both men and women indiscriminately just because we got to the door nearly at the same time. Yet, I've only ever gotten dirty looks from other women. I have no idea why this is. [/derail]...Holding a door for a woman is not sexist behavior if you're doing so because you're being polite. (in that case you'd hold doors for men to.) If you hold a door for someone ONLY if they are female. then it's a sexist act.
Problem is Americans aren't a polite people... it's not as built into our society as it would be in Europe and Asia and we seem to have problems integrating civility into our society or even teaching it.
I wouldn't worry too much about the door thing ambrosia.
I as a 6'3 40 something yr old male have only gotten the rare dirty looks from a female when I held the door open for them.
Some thought I was trying to make advances towords them and others were just being cows about a simple act of courtesy.Maybe the ones you encountered thought the same thing either way I just try to be as courtious as possible to everyone because I like to but the really fun part is when you can be nice and it causes someone else to go bat nuts crazy.
Case in point during heavy traffic try being nice and let others merge freely or make room to help out when you can, the person behind you will lose it completley after awhile.
Had this happen in downtown norfolk during rush hour traffic and at the stop light I could hear the woman behind me screaming curse words at me and flipping me the finger while her son looked on in horror. I smiled politely, waved and mouthed "what would Jesus do" in my rearview mirror and she turned so purple I thought she was going to pass out.
Emphasis mine. This is what I've encountered most often.
...Holding a door for a woman is not sexist behavior if you're doing so because you're being polite. (in that case you'd hold doors for men to.) If you hold a door for someone ONLY if they are female. then it's a sexist act.
Problem is Americans aren't a polite people... it's not as built into our society as it would be in Europe and Asia and we seem to have problems integrating civility into our society or even teaching it.
I've held open doors for both men and women indiscriminately just because we got to the door nearly at the same time. Yet, I've only ever gotten dirty looks from other women. I have no idea why this is. [/derail]
I'm pretty much a 'whoever gets to the door first opens it and holds it for the people they're with'. Don't think I've ever given anyone a dirty look for holding a door for me, although I've probably occasionally given a "WTF?" glance at the few guys I know who feel a need to race ahead and shove me out of the way so that they can get to the door first and hold it open for me to 'be polite'. (Fortunately, that's a VERY rare occurrence, but it always baffles me when it happens.)
Marginalization can mean several different things contextually, but given the topic of this thread, I read it the same way as did the rest of them. Perhaps your definition of the word was marginalized in comparison to how the majority perceived it when they read it, yes? Sometimes a bad choice of words is just a bad choice of words given the conversational context. Happens all the time in daily language. Damn its dynamic evolvement! :pIt was a GREAT choice of words, not a poor choice. If certain people want to try and impose political correctness on me, they'd better think again. I don't play that game. It's BS.
Pot: Dude! You're black!
Kettle: Don't you marginalize me; you're obviously color-blind!Pot: Stop oppressing me with your politricks!
Mirror: Hey dudes, mind if I reflect on this conversation?
Pot & Kettle: NO!
Marginalization can mean several different things contextually, but given the topic of this thread, I read it the same way as did the rest of them. Perhaps your definition of the word was marginalized in comparison to how the majority perceived it when they read it, yes? Sometimes a bad choice of words is just a bad choice of words given the conversational context. Happens all the time in daily language. Damn its dynamic evolvement! :pIt was a GREAT choice of words, not a poor choice. If certain people want to try and impose political correctness on me, they'd better think again. I don't play that game. It's BS.
Pot: Dude! You're black!
Kettle: Don't you marginalize me; you're obviously color-blind!
Pot: Stop oppressing me with your politricks!
Mirror: Hey dudes, mind if I reflect on this conversation?
Pot & Kettle: NO!
LOL Urizen.
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Marginalization can mean several different things contextually, but given the topic of this thread, I read it the same way as did the rest of them. Perhaps your definition of the word was marginalized in comparison to how the majority perceived it when they read it, yes? Sometimes a bad choice of words is just a bad choice of words given the conversational context. Happens all the time in daily language. Damn its dynamic evolvement! :pIt was a GREAT choice of words, not a poor choice. If certain people want to try and impose political correctness on me, they'd better think again. I don't play that game. It's BS.
Obviously since it had an unintended response it was a poor choice. Had it been otherwise everyone here would have gotten the point you claim you were trying to make. That's not political correctness, it's called grammar.
Emphasis mine. This is what I've encountered most often....I've held open doors for both men and women indiscriminately just because we got to the door nearly at the same time. Yet, I've only ever gotten dirty looks from other women. I have no idea why this is. [/derail]...Some thought I was trying to make advances towards them...
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But outright calling the woman a d**k isn't shenanigans? At least get the gender correct. I can't picture her as beefcake material. ;-)You never know. I could have a wide variety of said attributes of interchangeable shapes and sizes. I'm not limited to just one, after all, since it wouldn't be factory installed equipment, so to speak. ;)
You should seek out my wife, she deals in "after market" accessories. ;-)
I'm going to keep fighting the good fight against political correctness. Color me 'thought criminal.' LOL
Obviously since it had an unintended response it was a poor choice. Had it been otherwise everyone here would have gotten the point you claim you were trying to make. That's not political correctness, it's called grammar.
Actually, no it's called certain people looking for a fight. Flagged you for rudeness, by the way.
But outright calling the woman a d**k isn't shenanigans? At least get the gender correct. I can't picture her as beefcake material. ;-)You never know. I could have a wide variety of said attributes of interchangeable shapes and sizes. I'm not limited to just one, after all, since it wouldn't be factory installed equipment, so to speak. ;)
Internet doppelganger! I KNEW IT! [/tinfoilhat]
I despise political correctness, with an ardent passion. Nobody here is attempting to force "PC" on you, just reduce your rudeness.
The personal attack is noted.
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So, how about those protests in Egypt?
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too early?
I despise political correctness, with an ardent passion. Nobody here is attempting to force "PC" on you, just reduce your rudeness.
I'm going to keep fighting the good fight against political correctness. Color me 'thought criminal.' LOL
What is political correctness, to you, anyway? I realize our viewpoints might be very different on this angle, but I just want to know more.
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Actually, no it's called certain people looking for a fight. Flagged you for rudeness, by the way.
Obviously since it had an unintended response it was a poor choice. Had it been otherwise everyone here would have gotten the point you claim you were trying to make. That's not political correctness, it's called grammar.
~Waves his new flag around.~
Oh dear, ewan found me rude.... what ever shall I do. And I think when I'm looking for a fight people pretty much know it. This was disagreeing with your claim that you are correct in using whatever language you like.
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Cheese cake, uum...her sugar gets me high
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