Utility Shot ACs

[Sorceror]

Just reading through the playtest now, and one thing puzzles me: Why do smaller locks have lower ACs than larger ones?

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A diminutive lock usually has AC 7, and larger locks have higher ACs.

Smaller locks should be harder to hit at distance (after all, the range increment for a pistol is 20ft). This is the case for objects for Scoot Unattended Object:

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A Tiny unattended object has AC 5, a Diminutive unattended object has AC 7, and a Fine-sized unattended object has AC 11.

Maybe larger locks should have DR instead of higher AC for the purposes of this deed? Or maybe this should be linked directly to the Break DC.

Furthermore, for Scoot Unattended Object, there should probably be a DC to Scoot that is separate to AC:

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The gunslinger makes an attack roll against a Tiny or smaller unattended object ... On a miss, the gunslinger damages the object normally.

So basically, you're guaranteed to hit the object; I can imagine some people arguing about concealment miss chances.

In my opinion, the AC to hit the object (or lock) should be the same as attempting an attack without using a Grit point. Then if you succeed to hit by 5 or more, you succeed in the Deed, otherwise you damage the lock or object.

Or maybe I misunderstand the intention of Grit ... are we trying to build a Han Solo character here?

[aphazia]

Frankly, given that you don't have access to these until 11th level (Halfway through your adventuring career...) I should hope that they are all but auto-successes.

These should really be things you have access to at like, first level. Shoot unattended object is not exactly a powerhouse of a maneuver. The best use I see for it is coupled with a targeted shot.

You shoot the weapon out of someone's hand, and then shoot it away from them.

Aside from that... not useful very commonly. And certainly sub par for an 11th level ability.

Again I say - I love the flavor they are going for with the Gunslinger, but the delivery is just horribly wrong and nearly unplayable. I'm all about shooting the gun out of someone's hand and then shooting it away from them, even if it's costing me my limited grit... but 11th level? Really?

[Sorceror]

aphazia wrote:

Frankly, given that you don't have access to these until 11th level (Halfway through your adventuring career...) I should hope that they are all but auto-successes.

Spoken like someone who has never had a truly evil GM. ;) Regardless, the mechanics of this sort of thing are important.

aphazia wrote:

These should really be things you have access to at like, first level.

I agree. It'd be much more useful at lower levels, and should probably be considered basing training for gun proficiency. Shooting cans off a short wall, for example, is basic target practice!

aphazia wrote:

You shoot the weapon out of someone's hand, and then shoot it away from them.

Now THAT's something I'd be happy to spend a few Grit on. Can we make that a Deed? Quick draft of a feat to do it:

Out of Hand Deed (Grit)
Shoot an object out of an opponent's grip and shoot it away from them.
Prerequisites: Lightning Reload Deed, Targeting deed class feature, Scoot Unattended Object deed class feature.
Benefit: As a full-round action, you can spend 1 grit point to target an opponent's arms as the Targeting deed. If your attack succeeds and an item is dropped, you can spend a further 1 grit point to reload as a free action as the Lighting Reload Deed feat, and attempt to Scoot the object as the Scoot Unattended Object deed. This costs a maximum of 2 grit points. If the Scoot attempt succeeds, the item moves 30 feet instead of 15 feet.
Normal: Using Targeting, Lightning Reload and Scoot Unattended Object together would cost 3 grit points and take a total of two standard actions, and the item would move only 15 feet.

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Again I say - I love the flavor they are going for with the Gunslinger, but the delivery is just horribly wrong and nearly unplayable. I'm all about shooting the gun out of someone's hand and then shooting it away from them, even if it's costing me my limited grit... but 11th level? Really?

This is exactly the sort of stuff that should come out of the playtest, isn't it? :)