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While trying to figure out the wildshape rules< I came across this in a forum:
"The number of attacks you make while wild shaped depends on the number of natural weapons your shape has. If you wild shape into a Deinonychus, you can make 4 attacks, 1 talon, 2 claws, and 1 bite. If you wild shape into a Constrictor Snake, you can only make 1 attack, a bite."No one on the forum commented on this- but it can't be right, can it?? it reads as though you could make 4 attacks in a single round.
I mean, most classes have different options for their attacks, that doesn't translate into being able to use all of them.
The only bonus I see to this is having more options for a full round attack.
Yep. You get all the natural attacks on a full round attack (or on the end of a charge if you can pounce).
If you move (not charging) you only get 1 attack. But as a full round attack (or pouncing)you get claw/claw/talon/bite
The downside to natural attacks is you can't take multiple attacks from a high BAB in the same round with them, unlike a manufactured weapon.
a lot of animals have a primary attack and a secondary attack. thevsecondary attacks are often T -5 so may not hit.
the dynoniychus looks great til your trying to get through say dr 10 silver. then is 1 1 o o for damage.
For those folks new to Pathfinder you and running animals you should check out the Bestiary for the rules. The are a little different then characters with weapons. And if a character with a weapon somehow gets a natural attack that does not use the same "hand" and their weapons they can attack with that natural attack after the weapon attack at a -5 even at first level. (Such as a barbarian with a Greataxe and a bite attack.)
Click HERE and scroll down to the natural attacks section for more info.
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Holy crap... I dont think I want to point this out to our DM.
We're all pretty new at this but I don't believe he's been throwing this at us since an animal has never taken soo many swipes at us in a single round.
To get this straight what BAB goes with the claw/claw/talon/bite?
6/6/1/1?
no
A creature doesn't get multiple attacks from BAB with natural weapons. They get 1 attack with each weapon at their highest to hit, but all secondary attacks take -5 to hit (or -2 with multiattack).
So a creature with a 6 bab and 18 str that has a 2 claws and a bite would attack at +10(claw 1)/+10(claw 2)/+5(bite) or 10/10/8 with multiattack
Holy crap... I dont think I want to point this out to our DM.
We're all pretty new at this but I don't believe he's been throwing this at us since an animal has never taken soo many swipes at us in a single round.
To get this straight what BAB goes with the claw/claw/talon/bite?
6/6/1/1?
Nope. All four of those attacks are primary attacks. So they would attack at +6/+6/+6/+6. Click the link above and look at the chart under natural attacks for figuring out what is primary and secondary.
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yeah, I'm looking at that now- How did we miss this?
so a tiger with pounce and rake can: run (pounce), claw, claw, bite and also rake (another 2 claws?)...Where can I get more gear with damage reduction... I fear we're all going to die
Invulnerable rager barbarian levels, admantine armor, some spells.
or have a druid tame the beast.
this is why i burn every forest i travel threw.
foreclaws counts as a secondary attack (under other)
so 6/6/6/1...
I guess
I was just going off of the claw/claw/talon/bite text that are all specifically listed as primary. But you are right a dino's little forearms are not really the same thing as a claw for other creatures and could be in the "other" bucket for sure. I will have to check the full right up to see what they have listed for them. (I have not used any dinosaurs yet in PFRGP myself.)
Holy crap... I dont think I want to point this out to our DM.
We're all pretty new at this but I don't believe he's been throwing this at us since an animal has never taken soo many swipes at us in a single round.
To get this straight what BAB goes with the claw/claw/talon/bite?
6/6/1/1?no
A creature doesn't get multiple attacks from BAB with natural weapons. They get 1 attack with each weapon at their highest to hit, but all secondary attacks take -5 to hit (or -2 with multiattack).
So a creature with a 6 bab and 18 str that has a 2 claws and a bite would attack at +10(claw 1)/+10(claw 2)/+5(bite) or 10/10/8 with multiattack
Mostly right but important parts are wrong -- the bite is a primary attack as well and therefore isn't reduced. So it would be +10/+10/+10 on the claw/claw/bite routine, with full damage for each attack.
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Mostly right but important parts are wrong -- the bite is a primary attack as well and therefore isn't reduced. So it would be +10/+10/+10 on the claw/claw/bite routine, with full damage for each attack.Holy crap... I dont think I want to point this out to our DM.
We're all pretty new at this but I don't believe he's been throwing this at us since an animal has never taken soo many swipes at us in a single round.
To get this straight what BAB goes with the claw/claw/talon/bite?
6/6/1/1?no
A creature doesn't get multiple attacks from BAB with natural weapons. They get 1 attack with each weapon at their highest to hit, but all secondary attacks take -5 to hit (or -2 with multiattack).
So a creature with a 6 bab and 18 str that has a 2 claws and a bite would attack at +10(claw 1)/+10(claw 2)/+5(bite) or 10/10/8 with multiattack
D'oh. Still used to Old rules.
'Least I was part right.
If you want to see something scary, try a druid who puts about half his gear on his animal companion. An amulet of mighty fists with the shocking and acid properties on something with 5 attacks per round and pounce can be pretty nasty.
yeah, I'm looking at that now- How did we miss this?
so a tiger with pounce and rake can: run (pounce), claw, claw, bite and also rake (another 2 claws?)...Where can I get more gear with damage reduction... I fear we're all going to die
Don't worry about it. The CR system assumes these creatures will be taking all their attacks most of the time.
Here's the thing, though. If you're still low level, you don't need a full attack. Most animals do (but not tigers. watch out). So move around a lot and it'll reduce their effectiveness.
My contribution, Power attacking giant octopus for the win! 9 attacks at full BAB