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RAW states, "Normally, to use a wand, you must have the wand's spell on your class spell list." (emphasis mine) Does this mean that a sorcerer can use a wand for a spell that he does not know? I remember being puzzled because wizards do not have UMD as a class skill, until I understood this rule. Now I am puzzled to find that sorcerers do have UMD as a class skill.
Now it occurs to me that UMD would enable a sorcerer to use spells that a sorcerer or wizard would not normally be able to use at all (bard, cleric, druid, witch...) Is that the reason for UMD's being on the sorcerer's skill list?
Sorcerer and wizard use the same spell list (( list of spell you can select your spells from ))
A spell that is not on a sorcerer spell list is like spell only a Bard, Cleric, Druid, +new class, would know.
Examples =
So you would need Use Magic Device for a Sorcerer to use a Cure light wounds wand.
So you would need Use Magic Device for a Bard to use a Fireball wand.
So you would need Use Magic Device for a Cleric to use Arcane Lock wand.
etc.
I think the fact that sorcerers get UMD as a class skill is more fluff related due to them being innately magical as compared to the wizard who gets his power through studies. Think of it as a trade off for not being able to learn as many spells as a wizard could.
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You are correct! A sorcerer who doesn't want to waste a spell on knowing Mage Armor can just buy a wand and use it. No check necessary! It's on his CLASS spell list, even though it's not on his PERSONAL spell list.
Sorry for the caps there, but it's an important distinction. If you want to get a good UMD check, you can then start using cleric items, bard items, alignment-only items (not your alignment), race-only items (not your race) and other such tomfoolery. Sorcerers are quite given to fooling around with magic stuff.
Use Magic Device are class skill for = Bards, Rogues, and Sorcerer's.
Sorcerer due to their limited spell list, although that list seams to keep growing now.
Rogues as a hold over from past editions, and to give them some magic use.
Bards; see Sorcerer & Rogues.
Also note = Sorcerer and bards main ability is Charisma, which is the main focus of Use Magic Device.
Sorcerer and wizard use the same spell list (( list of spell you can select your spells from ))
A spell that is not on a sorcerer spell list is like spell only a Bard, Cleric, Druid, +new class, would know.
Examples =
So you would need Use Magic Device for a Sorcerer to use a Cure light wounds wand.
So you would need Use Magic Device for a Bard to use a Fireball wand.
So you would need Use Magic Device for a Cleric to use Arcane Lock wand.
etc.
So does that mean that a wizard putting ranks in UMD could use a wand of cure light wounds too? I would say it is possible, right?
So does that mean that a wizard putting ranks in UMD could use a wand of cure light wounds too? I would say it is possible, right?
Yup. A wizard,sorcerer, a fighter, a barbarian (as long as he's not raging), the wizards familiar (boy did i have fun with that one), an animal campaion with an int of 3 or higher (ok, WHO gave the raccoon the wand of fireballs?),a peasant, an expert, and a noble can all use a wand of cure light wounds provided they have sufficient rank/cha to pull it off.
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Does this mean that a sorcerer can use a wand for a spell that he does not know?
Your class spell list is any spell you could learn/prepare normally.
For a sorcerer that is the wizard/sorcerer spell list as a whole and has nothing to do with your Sorcerer's spells known list.
For a Cleric that is the Cleric class spell list and the other spells from the domains.
For some sorcerer monsters that have additional spells on their spell list that are not sorcerer/wizard spells it would include those additional spells.
RAW states, "Normally, to use a wand, you must have the wand's spell on your class spell list." (emphasis mine) Does this mean that a sorcerer can use a wand for a spell that he does not know? I remember being puzzled because wizards do not have UMD as a class skill, until I understood this rule. Now I am puzzled to find that sorcerers do have UMD as a class skill.
Now it occurs to me that UMD would enable a sorcerer to use spells that a sorcerer or wizard would not normally be able to use at all (bard, cleric, druid, witch...) Is that the reason for UMD's being on the sorcerer's skill list?
Think of Use Magic Device as an emulator, its made to allow you to give you a chance to, well, emulate stuff, it might work, it might not, it might be glitchy or just plain unplayable.
Think of Use Magic Device as an emulator, its made to allow you to give you a chance to, well, emulate stuff, it might work, it might not, it might be glitchy or just plain unplayable.Does this mean sorcerers are hackers and wizards are programmers?
LOL ya that is a new way to look at it.