Fey Bloodline Arcana and Wands


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

Does the fey sorcerer bloodline arcana apply to spells cast from wands? Suppose I have a wand of sleep, is the Save DC 11 or 13?


No, feats, class abilities etc. do not apply to wands.

Scrolls do, and so do Staves btw.

Scarab Sages

Tanis wrote:

No, feats, class abilities etc. do not apply to wands.

Scrolls do, and so do Staves btw.

Ok, I saw the staff exception on p.459 of the PF Core book. But there's no mention about scrolls? Where do you have that from? And where's it written that class abilities do not apply to wands?

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Modron Lawyer wrote:
Tanis wrote:

No, feats, class abilities etc. do not apply to wands.

Scrolls do, and so do Staves btw.

Ok, I saw the staff exception on p.459 of the PF Core book. But there's no mention about scrolls? Where do you have that from? And where's it written that class abilities do not apply to wands?

By the fact that wand DCs are stated as set. Also by the fact that staves are stated for their unique quality of applying caster factors to thier spells.

Scarab Sages

LazarX wrote:
Modron Lawyer wrote:
Tanis wrote:

No, feats, class abilities etc. do not apply to wands.

Scrolls do, and so do Staves btw.

Ok, I saw the staff exception on p.459 of the PF Core book. But there's no mention about scrolls? Where do you have that from? And where's it written that class abilities do not apply to wands?
By the fact that wand DCs are stated as set. Also by the fact that staves are stated for their unique quality of applying caster factors to thier spells.

That argument doesn't really make sense in this context, as there is no mention for additional modifiers in the spell DC either:

d20pfsrd.com wrote:
The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a sorcerer's spell is 10 + the spell level + the sorcerer's Charisma modifier.

Also, anyone got an idea regarding the difference between scrolls and wands that Tanis mentioned?


Wands are Spell Trigger items, not Spell Completion items, like Scrolls.

Here's the difference as i see it:

Core p.490:

Using a scroll is basically like casting a spell.

A spell successfully activated from a scroll works exactly like a spell prepared and cast the normal way.

Activating a scroll spell is subject to disruption just as casting a normally prepared spell would be (see Cast a Spell, page 140 of the Player’s Handbook). Using a scroll is like casting a spell for purposes of arcane spell failure chance (such as from armor).

Spell Completion, p.458: This is the activation method for scrolls. A scroll is a spell that is mostly finished. The preparation is done for the caster, so no preparation time is needed beforehand as with normal spellcasting. All that’s left to do is perform the finishing parts of the spellcasting (the final gestures, words, and so on).

It's these final gestures where you impart your expertise, IMO.

I believe it talks about minimum caster level as a way of maintaining the price. Otherwise everyone would create scrolls at 1st lvl and then use their caster level when activating the scroll.

It's true that it never actually comes out and says it by RAW.

But that's my interpretation, and the only interpretation i've seen in my experience.

re: wands.

Spell Trigger, p.458: Spell trigger activation is similar to spell
completion, but it’s even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken.

As there's really no involvement at all, i fail to see how the caster can influence the spell.

So basically, it's because they have to concentrate and actually finish the spell off.

Scarab Sages

Thanks for the explanation, that's a good way to look at it.


This is not about fey, but continues the conversation about wands since y'all seem to know stuff. :) Do spells cast from wands have Arcane Spell Failure Chance due to armor? I note that you can use wands grappled, and they don't provoke AOOs. My thrown-weapon fighter is contemplating taking a level of Wizard for Arcane Strike so he doesn't need to buy umpteen magical tridents to throw. Wand use might not sway the decision, but would help make up for missing BAB and slower fighter feat and talent progression. Thoughts? Thanks for any help, and sorry for any duplication of previous threads.

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Spell trigger items are not subject to arcane spell failure chances from armor.


Thank you, SKR! What a prompt reply.

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