Let's say a dire tiger took Improved Natural Attack [Claws] to increase its base claw damage from 2d4 to 2d6. What would happen if a druid cast Strong Jaw on it? Would the claw damage increase to 4d6, or would the INA feat not stack with Strong Jaw for some reason?
If Strong Jaw were cast on a PC who does 1d8 damage with her unarmed strike due to a Monk's Robe then I assume she'd end up doing 3d6 damage instead. If she was subsequently Enlarged would the damage jump to 4d6, or wouldn't Strong Jaw stack with Enlarge? How about Strong Jaw stacking with Animal Growth?
Let's say a dire tiger took Improved Natural Attack [Claws] to increase its base claw damage from 2d4 to 2d6. What would happen if a druid cast Strong Jaw on it? Would the claw damage increase to 4d6, or would the INA feat not stack with Strong Jaw for some reason?
If Strong Jaw were cast on a PC who does 1d8 damage with her unarmed strike due to a Monk's Robe then I assume she'd end up doing 3d6 damage instead. If she was subsequently Enlarged would the damage jump to 4d6, or wouldn't Strong Jaw stack with Enlarge? How about Strong Jaw stacking with Animal Growth?
in a nut shell yes they all stack, will you GM allow it ? maybe
conisder the insantiy you can do with alchemist ferral mutagen ;)
I'm aware that Monks can't use Improved Natural Attack for their unarmed strikes. I think that a Monk who grew to size Large via an Enlarge spell would still do more damage though, right? I just wasn't sure if Enlarge and Strong Jaw would stack.
I'd think that Strong Jaw would work on Monks barring some specific ruling that it doesn't. Then again, I'm not sure what actual rule prohibits Monks from using INA with their unarmed strikes. I just know that Jason said it doesn't work. Was there a similar ban on Monks using Strong Jaw or Enlarge?
I'm aware that Monks can't use Improved Natural Attack for their unarmed strikes. I think that a Monk who grew to size Large via an Enlarge spell would still do more damage though, right? I just wasn't sure if Enlarge and Strong Jaw would stack.
I'd think that Strong Jaw would work on Monks barring some specific ruling that it doesn't. Then again, I'm not sure what actual rule prohibits Monks from using INA with their unarmed strikes. I just know that Jason said it doesn't work. Was there a similar ban on Monks using Strong Jaw or Enlarge?
INA dosent work with monk beucase the monk is not using natural weapons he's using unarmed strikes and gets a special class abiliy to boost damage. if you went large I think theres a table that shows large and small monk dmg progression.
INA dosent work with monk beucase the monk is not using natural weapons he's using unarmed strikes and gets a special class abiliy to boost damage. if you went large I think theres a table that shows large and small monk dmg progression.I'm aware that Monks can't use Improved Natural Attack for their unarmed strikes. I think that a Monk who grew to size Large via an Enlarge spell would still do more damage though, right? I just wasn't sure if Enlarge and Strong Jaw would stack.
I'd think that Strong Jaw would work on Monks barring some specific ruling that it doesn't. Then again, I'm not sure what actual rule prohibits Monks from using INA with their unarmed strikes. I just know that Jason said it doesn't work. Was there a similar ban on Monks using Strong Jaw or Enlarge?
To my knowledge this isn't strictly true - monk's unarmed strikes are considered natural (and manufactured) after all. there is an official ruling by Jason that makes the monk's unarmed strikes be an exception for the purposes of INA. A non-monk hero can certainly use INA to increase their fist damage if they wanted.
What I don't know, is if it is legal to use the monk robe (as a non-monk) to gain 1d8 unarmed strikes and then use INA to increase to 2d6. As I'd argue that the robe doesn't give you the unarmed progression of a monk but the damage dice a 5th level monk would use.
I'm aware Jason banned INA for Monks, and I'd think that you can't increase the attack from a Monk's Robe with INA either. That's not what I'm worried about here though. What I'm wondering is whether you can increase it with Strong Jaw.
I was also wondering if the increase would stack with that from Enlarge Person. Maybe that would be better viewed form the perspective of a sorcerer or alchemist with claw attacks though. I know magical effects which increase size don't stack, but Strong Jaw doesn't actually increase your size, so I figure it might work on an Enlarged person. Certainly I'd expect Lead Blades to work for an Enlarged ranger.
I can see no reason why this would not apply to a monk's attacks.
General Stacking for size goes 1d8 -> 2d6 -> 3d6 -> 4d6 -> 6d6
While I disagree with it, it has offically been ruled that Improved Natural Attack does nto work with monk unarmed strike in Pathfinder. This also means that Strong Jaw would not work for monks.
Which is one stupid ruling. I didn't like the idea of "Well, what Monk wouldn't take this?" thought process Paizo had. You can do that with hundreds of other abilities, but they snag this one in particular?
Of the many monks I've DMed, only one bothered to take the feat. And that was because they couldn't figure out what else to take. There are much more important feats Monks can take besides INA.
My DM ruled that I could get INA and it would work for unarmed strike, but wouldn't work for flurry of blows. I seriously thought about going with a Vital Strike, high Dex Finesse Monk, but went with the simpler High Str version. Although if I play another monk someday, I might try it the other way.