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So we have a character who is multiclassing Druid/Cavalier now how do the levels stack towards each animal.
Do they have 2
For the Druid do the Cav levels stack with them?
Another Question About Animal Comp can it be of any race and just gets better with level?
Another Question About Animal Comp can it be of any race and just gets better with level?What do you mean by that? Do you mean does a druid get any kind of animal and gets better with levels? Because if so, then yes. Every companion a druid can have has a little stat block on the bottom of their entry in the bestiary and can be picked up at level One as long as they know of them and can find them in the wild. Just gotta go get him.
It's not like 3.5 where you could slowly expand your list of animals the higher level druid you became,
No, the question is: If I have an elephant as an animal companion (say), do levels in cavalier advance that companion, even though it's not on the cavalier list?
I'd say yes, but it's not totally clear.
It does not say it does, so it would not as other classes that allow it to stack do so if I recall. I think most GM's would allow it however
I'm positive they'd stack in the case of a Medium-sized druid/cavalier with a horse or camel animal companion (say). I'm not sure what the intent was for any other companion, but i'd probably still allow them to stack.
They are differently named class abilities. Therefore I am under the impression that they would NOT stack (especially since it doesn't say they do like it does under druid and ranger).
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They are differently named class abilities. Therefore I am under the impression that they would NOT stack (especially since it doesn't say they do like it does under druid and ranger).
Actually as the person just before you showed they do:
Mount (Ex): A cavalier gains the service of a loyal and
trusty steed to carry him into battle. This mount functions
as a druid’s animal companion, using the cavalier’s level as
his
Animal Companion:
If a character receives an animal companion from more than one source, her effective druid levels stack for the purposes of determining the statistics and abilities of the companion.
Seems pretty much exactly as presented to me.
I'd go with ONE companion at a time, and the Cavalier's mount MUST be of a size and shape that would allow him to ride from level 1. So a horse or camel is about the only option for a medium cavalier. For a small cavalier, the world widens considerably.
The reason you only get one animal is that the druid rules, (which, being core, supersede the APG rules) state that druid and other class levels STACK to determine your animal companion. This implies that you only get one"companion pool" to draw from, though other classes can add to that one pool. IMO, of course.
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I'd go with ONE companion at a time, and the Cavalier's mount MUST be of a size and shape that would allow him to ride from level 1. So a horse or camel is about the only option for a medium cavalier. For a small cavalier, the world widens considerably.
The reason you only get one animal is that the druid rules, (which, being core, supersede the APG rules) state that druid and other class levels STACK to determine your animal companion. This implies that you only get one"companion pool" to draw from, though other classes can add to that one pool. IMO, of course.
In the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (pg 19), under "How many animals can I have at any given time", it states "This means if you're a Ranger 5/Druid 5, you need to pick which animal companion is your combat animal." (The society limits players to only one combat animal on any given adventure, in order to prevent that player from bogging down combat.) This strongly implies that a character might have animal companions from any number of different classes (Druid, Cleric (animal Domain), Paladin, Ranger).
Given this, and the rule under the Druid Class that states that if you have an animal companion - all of your sources stack together to determine your effective druid level, it seems apparent that a Paladin/Druid would have both a Mount and an Animal Companion, both of which would use the total of both Paladin and Druid levels to determine the effective Druid level for each animal's abilities.
This appears to be the rule as written (and implied by other Paizo Pathfinder materials).
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Since the rules are a bit unclear here, I would STRONGLY suggest using the FAQ flag on this so it gets answered officially in the up coming FAQ!
In a home game, here is what I might suggest:
Allow the player to choose one of these options ...
The player can have both a mount and an animal companion, but they must be tracked separately using the appropriate class level for each class (a 5th level cavalier / 3rd level druid would have a mount with abilities based on a 5th level cavalier and a separate animal companion from the druid list based on a 3rd level druid.
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Choose one, either the cavalier's mount OR the druid's animal companion and allow both class levels to stack. The 5th level cavalier / 3rd level druid in the example above could have either a mount with all abilities etc based on an 8th level cavalier OR a druid animal companion based on an 8th level druid.
Lets hope we get an offical anwser in the next two weeks because that should be the next time me and the bane company play this game.
And The last part after I read up in the Pathfinder book and didnt just think about 3.5 it made alot more sense
So now we are just with the one question do they stack or do they get two seperate animals?
I hope they just get one that stacks
Well, seeing as how you already killed my animal companion out of terrible GM spite,
This might be a regular occuarance
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I'd go with ONE companion at a time, and the Cavalier's mount MUST be of a size and shape that would allow him to ride from level 1. So a horse or camel is about the only option for a medium cavalier. For a small cavalier, the world widens considerably.
The reason you only get one animal is that the druid rules, (which, being core, supersede the APG rules) state that druid and other class levels STACK to determine your animal companion. This implies that you only get one"companion pool" to draw from, though other classes can add to that one pool. IMO, of course.
In the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (pg 19), under "How many animals can I have at any given time", it states "This means if you're a Ranger 5/Druid 5, you need to pick which animal companion is your combat animal." (The society limits players to only one combat animal on any given adventure, in order to prevent that player from bogging down combat.) This strongly implies that a character might have animal companions from any number of different classes (Druid, Cleric (animal Domain), Paladin, Ranger).
Given this, and the rule under the Druid Class that states that if you have an animal companion - all of your sources stack together to determine your effective druid level, it seems apparent that a Paladin/Druid would have both a Mount and an Animal Companion, both of which would use the total of both Paladin and Druid levels to determine the effective Druid level for each animal's abilities.
This appears to be the rule as written (and implied by other Paizo Pathfinder materials).
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That doesn't change that I do want a legit answer on the problem although the post from Brother Elias has convinced me that they do get more than one and the animal companion text has convinced me that they stack so until I hear otherwise, I'm going with that. Thank you all for the input!i see the choatic evil diety worshiping, cheliaxian serving cleric has drawn another into his evil schemes. but i know you are setting up for when your evil diety is able to grant you the scaly domain, from ap#37
Given this, and the rule under the Druid Class that states that if you have an animal companion - all of your sources stack together to determine your effective druid level, it seems apparent that a Paladin/Druid would have both a Mount and an Animal Companion, both of which would use the total of both Paladin and Druid levels to determine the effective Druid level for each animal's abilities.
Paladin/Druids can never exist with RAW because of alignment restrictions. Anyway, I'd like to know is if you already had an animal companion that was not mountable (like a hawk) would you have to get rid of it if you ever decided to multiclass with Cavalier or Paladin? I'd like to think you should be allowed multiple companions in such a case just that their levels wouldn't stack.
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Paladin/Druids can never exist with RAW because of alignment restrictions. Anyway, I'd like to know is if you already had an animal companion that was not mountable (like a hawk) would you have to get rid of it if you ever decided to multiclass with Cavalier or Paladin? I'd like to think you should be allowed multiple companions in such a case just that their levels wouldn't stack.
Given this, and the rule under the Druid Class that states that if you have an animal companion - all of your sources stack together to determine your effective druid level, it seems apparent that a Paladin/Druid would have both a Mount and an Animal Companion, both of which would use the total of both Paladin and Druid levels to determine the effective Druid level for each animal's abilities.
True, but the question is equally valid for a Paladin/Cleric (Animal Domain).
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Bumping this post because I love it when rules are actually plain-as-day. (I also highlit "character" in the animal companion text to distinguish that it applies to anybody with an AC (i.e., it said "character", not "druid").They are differently named class abilities. Therefore I am under the impression that they would NOT stack (especially since it doesn't say they do like it does under druid and ranger).Actually as the person just before you showed they do:
Mount (Ex): A cavalier gains the service of a loyal and
trusty steed to carry him into battle. This mount functions
as a druid’s animal companion, using the cavalier’s level as
hisAnimal Companion:
If a receives an animal companion from more than one source, her effective druid levels stack for the purposes of determining the statistics and abilities of the companion.Seems pretty much exactly as presented to me.
looking at paladin mount and nature orical bonded mount. would they stack? would it be just one mount or 2 that stacks with both classes?
You could either have one paladin-appropriate mount which advances with oracle levels, or two separate weaker ones mounts which don't stack. (In PFS, you may only bring one animal along on an adventure.)
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Wow, it has been 2 years and still no answer to this question? I have a player in a game who took 1 level of druid to get a Roc animal companion.
Because he is small sized he can ride it, and is going cavalier. Also some gunslinger, for some reason, but I digress.
Having a flying mount is kind of ridiculous, especially in PFS play.
Official Rules Response
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FAQ: http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9qqn
Cavalier: Do animal companion levels from the druid class stack with cavalier mount levels?
If the animal is on the cavalier mount list and on the list of animal companions for your other class, your cavalier and druid levels stack to determine the animal's abilities. If the animal is not on the cavalier mount list, the druid levels do not stack and you must have different animals (one an animal companion, one a cavalier mount).
For example, if you are Medium druid and you choose a horse companion, levels in cavalier stack to determine the horse's abilities. If you are a Medium druid and you choose a bird companion, levels in cavalier do not stack to determine the bird's abilities, and you must choose a second creature to be your mount (or abandon the bird and select an animal companion you can use as a mount).
This same answer applies to multiclassed cavalier/rangers.
(Note that the design team discourages players from having more than one companion creature at a time, as those creatures tend to be much weaker than a single creature affected by these stacking rules, and add to the bookkeeping for playing that character.)
(Note that the design team discourages players from having more than one companion creature at a time, as those creatures tend to be much weaker than a single creature affected by these stacking rules, and add to the bookkeeping for playing that character.)
Does that mean you discourage the Huntmaster archetype for the Cavalier class? :P Sorry, just found the statement humorous.
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Awesome that the levels stack.
Also awesome that the beast rider template lets cavaliers ride more druid-y animals.
Not so awesome that you can't make a bear large and ride it until level 7.
Unclear whether that's 7 levels of beast rider or leveln7 total for a characternwhose build imcludes at least one level of the beast rider class.
The rulebook says:
"In addition, a 7th-level or higher Medium beast rider can select any creature whose natural size is Large or Huge, provided that creature is normally available as a Medium-sized animal companion at 7th level (like a bear)."
It doesn't say that the ability happens at 7th level *of cavalier* and replaces something else, which is the way that sort of thing is usually worded. It seems reasonable that a level 7 character with at least 1 cavalier level and a lvl 7 animal companion/mount should be able to apply the "large" templare to their existing animal companion and make it rideable. That 1 level dip would be an acceptable hit to my casting ability. Anything more than that would be too heavy a cost to pay and make multiclassing nonviable. I have no interest in anything else about the cavalier class for this build, just want to ride my bear.
Thoughts?