APG Archivist Bard: Replaces what?


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Dear forum goers,
I was reading over the archivist abilities and came across lamentable belabourment. The current text suggests that it replaces inspire greatness. I'm a bit confused, however, because lamentable belabourment shows up at 6th level and inspire greatness is at 9th. It was my observation that items subbed out at the same level unless it was an ability that replaced two abilities or an ability that was bumped up or down in level. I am further confused when I glance at the next ability, pedantic lecture, and find that it replaces mass suggestion.
I'm going for a "read as intended" kind of ruling, since the RAW is right there. I read over this and feel like lamentable belabourment was meant to replace suggestion since they happen at the same level and suggestion's big brother is removed later on. I can't really say that either suggestion or inspire greatness "fits" the nerd bard well, but I would like to hear what others think of this. I'd like to know if my curiosity is well-founded or if I've missed seeing a trend.
Thank you very much.


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The Archetypes aren't one for one replacements so they can replace abilities at different levels. I would say that the Archetype should be used as written.


Jikuu wrote:
I read over this and feel like lamentable belabourment was meant to replace suggestion since they happen at the same level and suggestion's big brother is removed later on.

I agree; that is kind of suggestive.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

2 people marked this as FAQ candidate. Answered in the errata.

I looked back at my original turnover and it says the same thing. I'd guess this is a cut-and-paste error. Either it should be:

A. At 9th level... replaces inspire greatness; or,
B. At 6th level... replaces suggestion.

Given that the mechanic of it is identical to the suggestion mechanic, plus the pedantic lecture replacing mass suggestion later on, I would think the latter is most likely the correct interpretation of what it should have said.

(HOWEVER, conceptually I can see a rational argument for saying nerd-bards are more likely to do suggestion than inspiring people to greatness, so I don't think there's a particular problem with using the text as written either.)

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